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8 hours ago, Verdance said:

The point about bananas being bred to be easier for humans to eat displays intelligent design, though. 

 

Hasn’t happened yet, so… 

the Bible doesn’t just reference real world places, it is intertwined with two thirds of the history of the world. 

also revelation is insane, there’s so much metaphor in there that i haven’t thoroughly studied.

Daniel Chapter Nine is a great example of perfectly fulfilled prophecy.

A major part of apologetics revolves around the proof of the Bible. The difference is that LotR is fiction, and I believe the Bible is not. Most of the first half is historical nonfiction, and the second half is mainly theology. Telling me to have a conversation about my faith without the Bible is like telling you to have a conversation about science without any knowledge of science. Sola Scriptura. 
 

I have not fully read the Bible, myself. Still studying the minor prophets and historical books of the OT. No one said you have to read the entire Bible. 

I think evolution could be possible, maybe not to the degree of forming intelligent life with the ability for abstract thought from… nothing. But natural selection causing the altering of species and adaptation to other environments is proven, especially by the Flood. Millions of species didn’t fit on the ark, they split off from proto species. 

Both secular and religious scientists point to evidence for the age of the earth. I am of the group of people that believes the universe is less than ten thousand years old, likely six or seven thousand (Not a joke).

also, the Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost aren’t real, but somehow have influenced popular opinion on heaven and hell in… some really stupid  ways. In case that was a serious reference.

Hm ok I see that I suppose but what if I was like “I believe that the Bible is fiction and lord of the rings is not” does that make lotr true bc i believe it?

8 hours ago, Hmmm lies said:

Heh, thanks for this. I forgot just how addicted I can get to arguing with people on the internet. Probably not healthy for me.

 

I'll try and bring this back on topic: 

Despite the fact that I'm completely irreligious, I sometimes enjoy religious parallels in media if it isn't an endorsement, but rather as like a cool reference. For example, if a group of 4 characters are based off of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, I think that's pretty cool. However, I recently thought about how I typically only see this with Christianity (and sometimes Buddhism), and haven't really seen this with other religions like Islam, Paganism, or Greek mythology. What do y'all think?

(Also not exactly the same thing, but I quite enjoy the video game ULTRAKILL)

Heheh ok this is entirely unrelated but I’m running dnd campaign rn and we’ve got the four horsemen of the apocalypse and Jesus as our characters it’s so awesome

Also I would like to say I know next to nothing abt the Bible and I have tried church, three times all Methodist bc most of the other brands in this area of the U.S. would shoot me, but what i gathered from the sermons was love people and be nice which i wholeheartedly agree with but uh i also learned that in kindergarten and I didn’t feel a need to repeat that again so I didn’t go back after the third time

I did like singing tho 

2 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

yay!

suki was great

Yes yes

3 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

Anyone else feel... idk what words describe it... but bad when someone in public misgenders you

it just makes me feel like ... just.. bad. worse than i already felt if i was feeling depressed. makes me feel awkward and horrible and . .. ignored kind of ... like they base it on my looks or my voice... and i just... that shouldn't be it...

 

anyone else feel like crying when someone else is hurting cuz you feel their pain?

Yes and yes

*produces combat fan* KYOSHIIII

58 minutes ago, Denissimo said:

I think Pathfinder's points answer this pretty well, but if I may provide another point. Which I also mentioned in my very long post previously, but lets be honest: No one can be bothered to fully read that.
Why automatically jump to a monotheistic origin to explain this? Again, underdetermination. Evolution has been quantitavely proven through scientific observation and repeatable expirements. Heck, the fact that bacterial resistance is such a big problem in the antibiotic industry indicates how much biological organisms can evolve. Tack on a couple billion years, and you can get some pretty nutty stuff.
And thus I believe evolution to be more likely than the many alternative theistic explainations that can't be proven. Perhaps in reality, we are all being puppeteered by microscopic cosmic personifications of a badly worded eulogy.
Who knows. But that theory is difficult to prove, so I'll disregard it for now.

I agree somewhat with your second paragraph. I consider myself an Atheist, if one is to be honest, partly in preparation for eternal oblivion. If I'm right, then oh well. If I'm wrong, joy. Even if I'm cast down onto a crucifix in the 7 layers of hell, I'll be concious enough (through the crippling agony) to think
"Huh. Well thats interesting."
Which is to me, a joy beyond all this world could provide.

 

I agree completely with that last paragraph

37 minutes ago, Rynturning_Light said:

Kinda to build off that

I've held in my mind for a while that some of the thing in the Bible could've been real, and that's why we have the religion.

Like, Jesus could've been a real person who was crucified, and people took that experience and founded a religious story around it. Like, besides his birth story, it's all something that could happen. I believe that crucification, before its Christian connotation, was an actual thing that people did. And for the story of them arriving at his tomb and finding it open and him not there, (as morbid as it sounds) grave robbing could explain that. So, people could've taken all these things and abstracted them.

That's kinda my personal opinion on why we have the Bible. Idk how popular it is tho

Yeah same

50 minutes ago, Adonalsium Will Return said:

Wait, what? What’s lucky about that?

That your school lets kids pick their gender and let’s it be seperate from their sex my school would NEVER lolll

16 minutes ago, Hmmm lies said:

If the Bible was the first documentation of real events, that could be evidence, but I think what you're trying to get at is that the Bible, simply by being a religious text, does not have any more credence than any other text. For example, if the events described in Revelations did occur, then that would be evidence for the Bible being a reliable source, but that hasn't happened yet. Additionally, there are many books in the Bible, some which may be more reliable than others.

Yeahhh that true

1 hour ago, Verdance said:

I think that there are far more logical leaps to make assuming that incredibly complex organisms simply came into existence through evolution by accident, creating things like complex protein systems in the immune systems, functioning organs like eyes which cannot be simplified to a point where they could just appear by accident, or other similar mechanisms with many moving parts. The bombardier beetle is a classic example that many theologians use to support intelligent design. 

I also don’t believe that religion can or should be conclusively proven. There’s necessity for an amount of faith in things not seen needed in my beliefs, which conclusive proof would undermine.

Rly? Idk to me it makes perfect sense that over time single celled organisms would evolve and adapt to their environment, natural selection yk

Just now, Hmmm lies said:

(Heh, suppose I can't be surprised this is what the atheist thread devolved into, the religious one basically did the same thing.)

I am somewhat confused as to whether you reject evolution's existence entirely or not, but there is definitely evidence for it, such as homogeneous and vestigial structures, such as human arms and bat wings having similar structure, and whales having internal feet bones, indicating an ancestor that actually had feet.

But, I imagine @Pathfinder could tell you better than I, they seem rather dedicated to this.

Yeah and analogous structures help point to the fact that one’s environment helps drive evolution bc different organisms in similar environments often have the same characteristics even if they’re oceans apart

Also idk is it just me but I feel like if someone were to convince me to be religion they would need to do it without the use of the Bible bc I feel like that’s like if I said “oh yeah middle earth is real, how do I know? Oh well in the fellowship of the ring chapter 12 it states…”

6 hours ago, Through The Living Glass said:

*appears*

Gay

O.M.G. *takes out binoculars* it’s a… it couldn’t be… GLASS?? 

Just now, Usseewa said:

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for future reference i don't rlly like when ppl call me buddy ty

 

Okkkk sorry love

1 minute ago, Aeoryi said:

I'll make it quick

The main reason I wanted hrt was because I knew at some point I'll probably want it and some of the effects appeal to me... yes I can get it in five weeks or so but also I'm starting to wonder if I actually want it... but then again I did pass the screening and stuff so clearly I must have valid enough reasons. 

Anyways YURI

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This is girls kissing ok be warned

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hah you thought 

 

 

Sigh if your doubting it’s a pretty sure sign your trans

10 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

that sounds pretty sweet tbh

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ok the thing about me being 14 may or may not have been a lie

 

yeah okay maybe I'll mention it i guess

I'm already talkin bout other big stuff tho

Sureee buddy

9 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Yeah idk my friend, don’t really know. I do think that dwelling in depressing thoughts online has exasperated my SH feelings, and could be yours, but… idk

 

Nah the universe doesn’t care enough about you for that 

i have made peace with the fact that i don’t matter at all lmao 

i would be curious about being born bio female actually. But idk, God made me a guy for a reason. If I get married and have kids I won’t have to give birth, so that’s cool.

I wish I could

6 minutes ago, Aeoryi said:

Harming oneself no matter how significant the damage it is

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which means technically Im back to zero days clean...

 

Love, please stop.

Just now, Verdance said:

Death doesn’t really scare me either. Either I’m right, and I *probably* go to heaven, or I’m wrong, and I get to sleep forever. Which is one of my ideal afterlives.

I like thinking that when you die u get to basically live on an alternate earth where everything with you is set right, I’d be a bio woman and there are no governments or anything and I can just spend the rest of eternity chillin with dead friends, watching what’s going on on earth or talking to dead people and continuing research like imagine learning how to compose from Tchaikovsky and playing a recently composed Beethoven piece with Paganini likeee

I doubt that’s what happens but it’d be kinda awesome

Just now, Usseewa said:

hehe 

you don't know that

 

what other 14 y/o losers do u know besides MEEEE

I knew you were fourteen

Just now, Usseewa said:

that sounds fun but DEFINITELY NOT FUN because it's bad or something

anyway uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... yeah it probably has yeah yep uhhuh yeah.

 

do u guys think being on the internet has turned me into a 

weird suicidal creature?

 

bro no they're not

if it's bad they'll call the cops or something

no not really. I want to do worse things but I can't.

Well... either worse things or it can go away. going away is probably better.

I didn’t know you before the internet so idrk, it’s kinda fun ig I like being in nature so that part is nice

It always confuses me a little when people are scared of death, I don’t welcome my death but there is a bit of morbid curiosity in me that can’t wait to see which of any religion is right and all that 

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Geez guys every time i think i have it bad yall say something like this and i realize im really not that depressed at all

I’m here for you, just to reiterate, please, please, don’t hurt yourself. I struggle with it and it’s useless, and could land you thousands of dollars in hospital bills

I’m not doing anything that could cost me hospital bills if my parents see bruises I fell, if they see scratches they’ll just figure I did something stupid again and I’m not doing anything that could leave scars or anything permanent or just deliberately doing things in ways that I know will hurt like walking through forests with no sleeves so I get scratches that sting for a while

3 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

i just really don't want to

never have

 

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It just.. scares me. I remember sitting in the waiting room once at the Dr's, and i saw posters/signs for like... idk mental health or something, and I was scared there was something wrong with me, cuz I was... not necessarily in the best place, per se? But like I REALLY didn't want them to find out. It's a bit complicated and I'm not gonna explain. But I've always been reluctant talking with someone (especially, like, IRL people or family or doctors/therapists) about when I think I might have a serious issue. I can't explain it but I just don't want to see anyone for these things. Whenever they ask the screening questions about "ate you suicidal?" "are you a danger to yourself or others?" etc. etc. I just say no and how my voice doesn't quiver. cuz usually "no" is the accurate answer... I think.

So if I go to a therapist and say "hey, uh, I've been having some issues with self-harm and suicidal thoughts I think." I CAN'T DO THAT!!! There can't be anything wrong with me that other people know too. If something's wrong with me, it's gotta be known to only me and maybe some strangers on the internet.

 

SEE A PROFESSIONAL HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHABSBSBD DBEBEBEBEBEBJD

 

that's the kinda stuff I wanna do but I can't or people will notice

See I can tell you to see a professional without being a hypocrite bc I am seeing a professional and it has helped drastically 

Just now, Verdance said:

Yes very much so

Ok… thanks ig…

Or hitting yourself repeatedly with a stick until it bruises and bleeds a little? 

Just now, Verdance said:

I think you yourself could answer the question better, but i would say 

no,

yes.

Okkk

14 minutes ago, Verdance said:

‘Self harm’ 

literally in the name

please please please do not do that. Don’t do anything close to that. Its so storming useless

Yeah uh for example i used to put my hands in exceptionally hot water just for pain, didn’t recognize that as SH until lately

Mm does walking through thick bamboo forests with short sleeves on so it scratches you count? Or not eating for days at a time bc it hurts?

Just now, Verdance said:

Uh a lot of stuff. Causing your body pain or damage, as those things don’t always go together. Also mental SH like anxiety and guilt are things, or hyperfixating on depression is def SH

Just now, Usseewa said:

uhhhhhhhhhh

probably like

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cutting urself

but also maybe other stuff that

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hurt urself in other ways

 

Ah…

Wait I have a question, it’s kinda stupid, what counts as sh?

11 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

ikr

but it's true

also cut Izzy some slack, she's only 15

kids am i raight????

it's trueeee

hhaa uwu

i mean like at the moment I don't rlly care abt myself but usually i want to live just now i don't care if my body got

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broken

 

No don’t cut me slack just love yourself it possible me hate self, me stop hate self, me love self sometime

7 minutes ago, Adonalsium Will Return said:

Some kid at my school said today (we were taking a questionnaire) “Why are there different boxes for sex and gender? Aren’t those the same thing?” *doesn’t want to find facepalm emoji*

OMG YOUR SO LUCKY TAKE ME TO YOUR SCHOOL

Just now, Verdance said:

No that sounds weird

…*bonks* LOVE YOUR SELF!

Is requirement of Izzy’s. U must now oblige my wish is your command

2 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

huh?

i said I'll just wait and see which one dies first: the "sUiCiDaL" stuff or me

and that either way I'm fine with it :3

nice!

1 minute ago, Verdance said:

…

thats rusted up

place some value on yourself, i place more value on all the people around me but still recognize that i have inherent worth

and you do to

Both yall cool now fartin love yourselves u nuckle heads

2 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

welcome backkkk

hope ur break was nice

 

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I'll just wait a while and see if it goes away

or if i do

whichever occurs first ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

either one's fine tbh

It wasss