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I think Kelsier already knows the location of Harmony's perpendicularity. The Southerners certainly seem to know, at any rate, and given the relationship between Kelsier and the Southerners, I would assume Kelsier told them where to find it.

I initially thought this might happen, given certain epigraphs in Oathbringer. I still think it was initially Harmony's goal to eventually send Wax to help with the Rosharan conflict. But I think Wax is done, unfortunately for us (fortunately for him though).

I would also assume that Odium's number was 9. Nine Unmade, nine types of Fused. My assumption is that every Shard has a number associated with it, going from 1 to 16.

I disagree. "Lord of Scars" was pretty much the only clue. While Kelsier does have scars, he is certainly not the only person to have them. Kaladin has prominent scars too, from his brand. But he is clearly not Thaidakar. And since this is the only time Brandon Sanderson has ever faked a character's death across multiple books, there is no reason to assume "Lord of Scars" is Kelsier. The other clue-- the big giveaway one-- is really that Hoid references beating him up in M:SH, which is often recommended after the reveal in BoM.

I have no memory of SoScads being spoiled in M:SH (which I keep seeing it as a censor of Moash's name lol). I'll need to reread it. (unpopular opinion incoming) I actually think if I had remembered that happened, it might've improved what I thought about BoM tbh. The SoScads seemed too out of left field for me which is part of what I didn't like about that book. Same, that's my standard rec. Warbreaker is a great hook, especially with its free ebook.

This makes sense to me. I was told to read M:SH between era 1 and era 2 for some reason (still don't know why the person recommended that but whatever). It did not take away enjoyment from BoM, though I have of course recommended that my friends do not do the same. (I had other issues with BoM, and it remains the only Cosmere book that I did not like, but this did not affect it). Instead, I was seeing all the "Lord Ruler" stuff and going "wait, this sounds a bit like something Kelsier would set up..." and then felt good about it when I was right. So I can see how the throwaway mention of Kelsier's name would be fine, as it's even less confirmation than M:SH.

I was disappointed that Kelsier was mentioned by name in Wind and Truth. I have some friends who I've introduced to the Cosmere, and say that they prefer to stick with one series and finish it all the way through before moving onto another one. For these friends, I have recommended that they read Mistborn era 1, followed by Stormlight (due to mentions of Sazed and Harmony), followed by Mistborn era 2 (due to era 2 pulling the curtain back on the Ghostbloods, which are mysterious in early Stormlight). However, with one single word-- "Kelsier"-- in Wind and Truth, I can no longer claim that Stormlight in its entirety should go before Mistborn era 2. So now, the reading order I have recommended to them is to switch back and forth between Stormlight and Wax + Wayne, either in publication order or alternating. But my friends don't want to do that. I'm left with a dilemma. My friends have not yet finished Mistborn era 1, so I have time. But should I tell my friends to read Wax + Wayne first, and take away some of the mystery of the Ghostbloods? Or should I tell them to read Stormlight first, and spoil that Kelsier is still alive?

It's important to note that everyone has different things that make them go "I like this person, I want to date them". For some people, those requirements are "nothing. I don't want to date anyone." Those people are perfectly valid. For others, the person needs to be aesthetically pleasing to them. That's not shallow or anything, it's just how humans work-- but again, only some humans. The ones who don't work like that are valid as well. For some, the ability to-- let's say "mate", as Pattern puts it-- is a requirement. For others, it's not, and in fact some people find that type of intimacy to be something they do not want in a relationship (for a fictional example, look to Jasnah). Similarly, I imagine cross-species relationships would be another one of these. Some humans would find it repulsive, like the OP in this discussion. But others would be perfectly fine with it, as long as their romantic partner understands them. Clearly, Renarin and Rlain are of the latter group. I suspect I might be as well, though I have enough other barriers to entry in what I find to be a plausible romantic relationship for myself that it can be hard to tell.

From the epigraph for chapter 36 The ability to store up healing power is feruchemical gold, which is a Hybrid feruchemical ability (along with electrum, cadmium, and bendalloy). Pewter spikes are supposed to steal Physical feruchemical abilities (iron, steel, pewter, or tin). Hybrid feruchemical abilities, such as the ability to store healing power, are stolen by gold spikes. My source for all of this is the coppermind.

I think if any Shard is at play here, it's actually Preservation. An entire society, remaining stagnant, never changing, being forever Preserved in a state of the past. It's kind of Preservation taken to the extreme. I recall in one of Kelsier's conversations with Preservation in Secret History that Preservation says he admires what the Lord Ruler created.

Interesting ideas! I personally believe that this particular instance has less to do with futuresight shenanigans and more to do with the fact that while Ruin has near-infinite power, his ability to pay attention to things is more finite. (Certainly far bigger than regular people, but he still can't consciously think about everything at once.) So, during the time in which Kelsier was interfering with Urteau, Ruin was far more focused on Vin. He wasn't paying attention to what was going on with Urteau in his futuresight because he simply didn't care as much about Urteau as he cared about the events in Fadrex City. These in particular are very intriguing. I'm sure those ideas and their connection to futuresight are going to be bouncing around in my head for a while. You might be on to something.

So, we know that Kelsier was the one to give out the first Unsealed metalminds to the Southern Scadrians after the Ice Death, because Wax received an unsealed metalmind containing the memory. But we also know from the Lost Metal epilogue that he has no access to his allomancy, and therefore presumably couldn't have made the bands of mourning despite all the imagery associated with him. We do, however, know of one person who has access to most, if not all, allomantic and feruchemic abilities. And that person is Marsh. Did Marsh somehow work with Kelsier to create the Bands of Mourning? Perhaps Sazed helped give the idea of unsealed metalminds, because he noticed the Southern Scadrians dying and wanted to save them, and then Kelsier took the idea to its extreme (as he is wont to do)? If not Marsh, then maybe Spook for the allomancy (he would've still been around, and a full allomancer) and some unknown person for the feruchemy. If Sazed did indeed give Kelsier the unsealed metalminds idea, and that led to the Bands, then perhaps that's one of the reasons he doesn't trust the Ghostbloods and tell them what's going on with Autonomy-- he knows Kelsier will take whatever he says and make it dangerous. These are my current musings. But I'm curious to see if anyone has any others.

@Argent Thanks!

I did not find any more missing passages, but I found one duplicated passage. The epigraph of Chapter 2 (pg. 28) is duplicated, likely because it appears both as the epigraph to Chapter 2 and as part of the section Vin reads in Chapter 29 (pg. 480), which is canonically the end of the logbook.

I noticed that the wiki article for Alendi's logbook is missing the section that Vin reads at the beginning of Chapter 22 of Mistborn: The Final Empire (page 363-364). It contains the beginning of that section, which is also the epigraph of Chapter 3, but starting from "We picked up a group of Terris packmen...", it is missing. I would make an account to add it myself, but the "Known Text" section says "please do not alter without permission from the creator" because it is intellectual property. I might make an account anyway, but I don't want to make this edit myself. I only found this missing passage because I happened to be in the middle of looking through The Final Empire specifically for passages of the logbook. If I happen to stumble upon others which the wiki doesn't include, I will mention it in a reply here.

Ooh, that's a hard one. I don't think I can choose throughout all of the Cosmere, so I'll go with Words of Radiance since I finished it less than a week ago and it's fresh in my mind. Shallan and Hoid are probably my favorites, with Kaladin, Rock, Navani, and Adolin as close runners-up. As far as least favorites go, I'll say Sadeas (unless I want to say Rayse but that feels like cheating). Amaram and Taravangian are close, but they both truly believe that they are saving the world, and that makes them interesting. Perhaps tragic hero material. I'm really curious about where the next books take them.

Hi! I'm new here, but not so new to Sanderson's works. I've read Elantris, Warbreaker, the first two Stormlight novels, all of Mistborn Era 1, Alloy of Law, and Secret History (not in that order). Seems like a lot tbh, but I'm not even halfway through everything that's out there. I may need to dedicate a second Sanderson shelf soon. As far as Sanderson's non-Cosmere works go, the Reckoners series was actually my introduction to his writing. Oathbringer, as well as most of Arcanum Unbounded (I'm saving Allomancer Jak for after Shadows of Self), are next on my list.