Walter The Moral

20 hours ago, IlstrawberrySeed said:

with a way to survive without eating, drinking, breathing, or passing excrement, and a way to prevent friction and particles.

Eating and Drinking are removed with Bendalloy Feruchemy
Breathing is removed with a Cadmium Ferring
And friction is removed with an Edgedancer

This could be a very nice version of what Wayne does as well. You pull people into one-on-one fights and then you burn them to a crisp. You could really do a bunch of cool stuff, since your enemies wouldn't have anyone to back them up.

8 hours ago, cometaryorbit said:

I think there's probably never been a savant of the external temporal metals; Harmony says Wayne was the best ever at Bendalloy, and Cadmium is generally considered kind of useless - they're very expensive metals in Era 2, also. But if they existed, I think it'd be the kind of precise time bubble manipulation we see from TLM Wayne at a much higher level (plus the general efficiency benefit, of course).

Yeah, Wayne is definitely the closest thing to a Bendalloy Savant we've seen, since he could control the size of his speed bubbles. But, we know from this WOB (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/33/#e2761) that an actual savant would be able to center their speed bubble around themselves, which could be very powerful. I wonder what the disadvantages would be for a Bendalloy Savant. Maybe they get so used to taking their time that when they're out of the bubble they do things much more slowly?

This depends on one thing, where do I get the power? Am I in the Cosmere, or am I on Earth.

On Earth is easy. Feruchemy. It's the most useful day to day power, since you can store and tap a buch of inconveniences. You need to remember your shopping list, put it in a Coppermind. It's too hot outside, put it in a Brass mind. You have free time with nothing to do, store some sleep. Something smells bad, store your sense of smell in a Tin mind. You're relaxing on a couch, store strength, speed, mental quickness, weight. And then, when you need you can stay up for days and not be tired, you can be as strong as you need to be, you can withstand cold weather, you can become quick and smart. Feruchemy is just the most useful in everyday life.

If I was in the Cosmere, I'd probably be an Elantrian for all the variations. I love learning languages, so learning the Aons would be fun. It's just the most versatile, plus you're immortal (but can be killed with enough work) which isn't too shabby.

51 minutes ago, Koloss17 said:

However, I do like that a twinborn like this could weaponize their hands, making them burn things to the touch, and also leech using Chromium. Makes both better, in a way.

Imagine you're facing someone that you think is a Brass Ferring, and preparing your Pewter. You know the insane heats that these Ferrings can reach, and your only hope is to flare your Pewter and hope for the best. The Ferring walks towards you and places their hand on your arm. Your Pewter is flared, yet suddenly you feel a flash of heat, and your only hope, your flared Pewter, vanishes.

Yeah it's not a very likely scenario, but that would be very cool to see.

I'm sure this question has been asked already, but if you compound Atium, and then tap more youth than you have lived, what happens? Do you stop at being a baby? Do you become a fetus? What happens if you keep going after that?

4 hours ago, Koloss17 said:

Name: Hawk would probably work quite well!

There are too many Twinborn who would work great with the name Manipulator! It’s really annoying!!

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

Alright, I don't know anymore. I've quickly looked at how Eshonai measured time by the Rhythm of Peace, or how they predict Highstorms by using the Rhythm of Wind, and I see now 2 possible options

Thanks for the in depth answer, I absolutely agree with your conclusion!

So what happens when they leave the bubble? The Rhythm can't be off beat, since, as you said, it's part of the SR. Would the Rhythm bounce back?

As of RoW:

Felt (was a spy for the Ventures) is now on Roshar. He was with Dalinar when he went to the Nightwatcher.
Demoux (general from Scadrial) is now on Roshar. He was searching for Hoid with the Seventeenth Shard
Gallodon (Raoden's friend from Sel) is with Demoux on Roshar.
Baon (from White Sand) is with both Demoux and Gallodon.
There is an unnamed Feruchemist in Uritheru in RoW, although he Mraise killed him. Noteably, the Feruchemist had an Aviar with him, so we know he went to First of the Sun. 
Vasher (and presumably Vivenna) are on Roshar with their aliases being "Zahel" and "Azure" respectively.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, so if I forgot someone or made a mistake, please let me know.

15 hours ago, alder24 said:

Rhythms are in the Spiritual Realm, which is timeless and spaceless - there would be no change in Rhythms

So someone in a Bendalloy Bubble would hear them slows down? What do you mean?

So, we know that a Pure Rhythm of a planet (let's go with the Pure Rhythm of Preservation for now) is always at the same part, no matter where you are in the world. That's how the Singers could always sing in time with each other. But what happens if you're in a speed bubble while listening to a Pure Tone? Would the Tone suddenly slow down? Would it stay the same for you, and then go back to where it should be when you're out of the bubble? What would happen?

5 minutes ago, alder24 said:

No, because Nightblood would be feeding on your zinc and steel instead. 

Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks!

If you could see the spirit realm, in order to keep tabs on your Spirit Web, and tap Zinc and Steel as a feruchemist, would you be able to put it back in its sheath at just the right moment? Or am I just pulling at straws?

So, we know that if Nightblood is not given enough Kinetic Investiture, he will instead consume the soul of the one who wields him. We know that the soul just means the Spirit Web, so Nightblood is consuming the wielder's Spirit Web.  Could you find a way to very specifically cull certain parts of your Spirit Web with Nightblood? Say you have an unwanted Connection, could Nightblood consume that? Could he consume a Nahel Bond? The fact that you're an Allomancer? That you are an Elantrian? Would this be plausible in any way whatsoever?

I'm excited to hear your thoughts.

13 minutes ago, therunner said:

It can, just blow him up. Difficult to set up, but possible (e.g. lure him onto a ship that is rigged to blow up for example). As long as you can separate his body from Gold metalminds, Fullborn dies relatively easily.

I'm pretty sure it was talked about further up in this thread, but that is much easier said than done. If we assume that the fullborn has some time to prepare, they could store an incredible amount of different attributes in their metalminds. Every time you compound, you get 10x what you started with, so you could very quickly get a LOT of any specific attribute. You could do it even faster if you were burning Bendalloy, to compound even more in less time. The Fullborn would most likely always be tapping F-Zinc to think incredibly quickly, and even more so if they were going somewhere possibly unsafe. If they figure out that it isn't going well, they could probably get out by tapping F-Steel and running away. That's assuming they're not a Savant with Bendalloy, allowing them to travel with their speed bubble.

The only real problem with this is the access to metals, although I don't think it would be too hard. In Era 2, metals are rare, but not so rare they can't be sold commercially. The metals that the Fullborn would need a lot of in order to compound are quite common (those metals being Gold, Steel, Zinc, and probably Bronze). 

I haven't even thought about how Electrum burning could effect this, but it could be very useful. If you see your future self exploding in a ball of fire, you're probably gonna tap steel and run. A similar effect could probably happen by compounding and tapping Chromium, allowing you to react instinctually to the SR (that's just speculation though).

On 3/15/2023 at 7:58 PM, Koloss17 said:

Brass

I think soothing would have very similar effects to that of rioting when savanthood is achieved, with maybe minute differences. Let me know what you all think!

I'm pretty sure Bronze savants would be able to pierce copper clouds, at least if the Smoker is weak enough. Same with Zinc and Bronze, as we see with TLR.

I would love to see you do this with other Invested Arts! Leave it to Koloss17 to do the hard work with lists (I love your Daily Random Twinborn thread).

So, I was thinking about F-Iron and how it works, and I'm quite confused. We know that it works by manipulating the Higgs Field (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/6/#e327), but what is that? Could someone explain that to me in simple terms? What would the ramifications of that be?

15 hours ago, Koloss17 said:

For cadmium, I could see something like instantaneous time travel into the future.

I would love to see a Cadmium Nicrosil boost! I wonder if you could calculate how much that would move into the future exactly, but I'm sure it would be quite a bit. Well, actually, it would probably move the same amount into the future, just much, much faster.

Ohhh, I guess I forgot about that pary. Thanks!

I was thinking about Secret History, and I remembered Kelsier. According to Preservation, no one had ever tried to stay away from the Beyond before, which I find hard to believe. Normally, to become a Cognitive Shadow, one has to be heavily Invested, but Kelsier is no more Invested than the average Mistborn. TLR was far more Invested than Kelsier, and he moved to the Beyond. So, why did Kelsier stay?

57 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Add to your build A-bendalloy, and a Bondsmith bond, which can cause time dilation.

 

We know that a Bendalloy savant would be able to travel with the Bendalloy bubble (the closest WOB I could find was this: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1547), so would that allow you to move FTL? If you're moving at the speed of light inside of the bubble, what happens outside?

If Kandra can perfectly imitate a human body, why can't they also replicate the reproductive system? If they did, what would be born? A human, or a Kandra?

So, we know that the limit of tapping a metal mind is just by how much is stored, but how much can be stored at a time?

Can you store warmth and become absolute zero? Can you store weight can become 0 grams? Can you basically have the effects of burning Cadmium by storing so muddy Mental Speed that you can’t see the movement of time? Can you die of malnutrition by storing nutrients? What’s the limit?

Okay, so I want to make the fastest character possible using the magic that we have access to (without the teleportation of Elantris). You are allowed to use all of Feruchemy, Allomancy, Aon Dor (except teleportation), all surges, all aethers, breaths, sand mastery, and anything else you can think of to make someone to move extremely fast.

My though process is:
Steel and Zinc Compounder (For pure speed of movement and thought)
Surge of abrasion (To remove air resisitance)
Bondsmith (For the perpendicularity to fuel the feruchemy)
Minor TOTES spoilers:

That's about all I've thought of so far, what do you think?