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  1. Hey I think Ba-Ado-Mishram is honor, or at least a portion of Honor, a splinter of Honor, something that Odium corrupted, made unmade. The Sibling seemed to think that it would be be unmade if it was corrupted. BAM seems to have a link to spren becoming deadeyes as well as slave form singers, once BAM was captured in a gem. Honor and Cultivation are heavily a part of Roshar, the singers see them as gods, and they influenced spren. BAM seemingly acted like an everstorm, granding power and voidlight to the singers. Almost like a perpendicularity, think Dalinar. BAM was active while thre were no desolations. we only know about BAM actions after the death of Honour. Correct me if im wrong. I don't know if i can really ascribe any of the other unmade to Honor. But looking at the Revel unmade, i think whimsy. When i look at the Unmade that changes spren, I think cultivation. Could the unmade be corrupted splinters of other shards. I believe that Odium killed Ambition, perhaps the thrill came from Ambition. I don't think Honor will become whole again while BAM is in a gemstone, assuming Honor will become whole again. Their have been hints of the unmade influencing Shinovar. Perhaps that will lead to the gem holding BAM being rediscovered. I think book five will have at least some unmade plot in it.
  2. I think Moash is very spiritually damaged. Hence why he cant see. shard blades burn out the victims eyes, their link to the spiritual realm has been severed. So I think hes had some sort of spirit web damage. He knows he shouldn't do the things hes doing. But any negitive emotion from those actions is stripped from him. But odium apparently cant help his spirt. Hes blind to his crimes, all that jazz. He needs to take accountability for his actions, probably, to regain his sight. I think things will go very poorly for the good guys. And when it does Odiun will have abandoned Moash. Perhaps todium will do this always. He will have all the negitive emotions of what he has done pushed upon him. And it will be too late for redemption. I honestly think hes a likely candidate to be a world hopper. Since he has no bond to a spren. And can sever his bond to the honor blade, I think. Where as most of the others are probably too heavily invested/wouldnt want to leave their spren behind? He will gather forces from other systems to fight against todium? I dont think there will be a redemption arc. Neither Zzeth or Dalinar have had redemption arcs, they're just trying to move forward.
  3. Rock said to Kaladin he didn’t think he would see him again in this life. This leads me to think he will not be around Uruthiru and the rest of the main three characters, Kaladin, Shallan & Dalinar. Rock has a sense of duty related to his people. There definitely is a sense of a resigned heavy burden to Rock. Rock hasn’t always been honest with his crew, about his own roll in his culture. Like many of the bridge men he thought his old life was a forgone conclusion. But now he has to face judgment or justice or his fate. Rock once off handily mentioned that who ever of his people obtained a shard would essentially be king of the Horneaters. Rock did obtain shards, but he also yielded the boon he received. Perhaps out of internal conflict, the raising of a weapon to get those shards when he shouldn’t have, or he didn’t want the responsibility of becoming the king of his people. People have also theorized that rock might be the leader of his tribe after the death of his family members. Cord also mentioned that her grandmother was the watcher of pool (perpendicularly). Which seems like it would be an important position in their culture meaning family members had held postilions of importance in their tribes in the past As for becoming a bond smith, i don’t know. It seems as if the Horneaters have the capacity to make temporary bonds with spren to temporarily increase strength when rock used the shard bow. Think of a Mandra and greatshells/sky eel/chased fiend/great shell/santhid. As well as the singers. Since horneaters have Singer blood it seems their relationship with spren is more fluid. We have seen that singers can bond Radiant spren in conjunction with the spren that is currently in their gemheart, even a void spren in the case of Regals. So i assume Horneaters could become Radiants, i just don’t think this has been shown on screen. There have also been mentions by Rock and his family that there have been strange things happening at the peeks in OB. My mind keeps going back to rock not thinking that he will see Kaladin again in this life. I think Rock being at the peaks with access to the perpendicularity. He will have reason to use it. The Horneaters are children of all three shards in the Rosharn system, more than any other races probably. They aren’t fused or Radiant. They aren’t tethered to the Roshar system as radiants, fused, and shards are. I think something will happen to Roshar. Those in close proximity to those who can travel to Shadesmar, or are close to a perpendicularity or an oathgate will be the ones who survive. This event could be due to Odium and Dalinars duel, or Ryse and the dawnshard. The humans home world could be blueprint for what could happen on Roshar. Making it so that humans and singers alike would be refugees to shadesmar. Shadesmar would probably reflect the damage of Roashar. Horneaters would have to become worldhoppers. The death rattles lead me to think things are going to look pretty bleak. I don’t know.
  4. Spren and humans bond. While bonded they progress together though the ideals. Progression through the ideals require the humans to grow, to self actualize, to challenge them self. The spren seems to grow less rigid and show more human like personality traits. Progression through the ideals is deeply personal and difficult. They have to maintain their oaths and not act against them. The people change, and the spren seem to as well. Conection between human and spren, reaching the third ideal and being able to manifest a weapon. A weapon that burns out the victims eyes. Severing their link to the spiritual realm. Once a spren is capable of being used to sever conection to the spiritual realm. The radiant breaking the bond with a spren severs the link to the spiritual realm that is provided to a spren through the conection their bond and the oaths spoken by the radient provide(spiritual trauma/wounded). The spren becoming a dead eye is a symbol of the former radiants dead oaths. A testemoney to the oaths they spoke, and thrown away. That died on their lips. Spren are invigorated by investiture. Almost how a returned needs a breath. But not quite. They are of investiture moulded and shaped by perception, human or singer perception. Other spren have been seen taking care of deadeyes. But have never had any luck in reviving them, stormlight doesn’t aid in this. Connection does, the connections and bond through the spiritual realm. Spren and Human. It’s almost like spiritual rehab. Adolin is a foil for the main characters, he is dull on his own, but shines with others. He’s like a brome(Spelling) shining with stormlight. He has this effect on Maya by doing what he has always done, been there for people. The moment Adolin saw maya i didn’t sit right with him, the reality of what his blade was made manifest. The blindness he showed to his social station and that of the Parshmen his family owned, ignored still, but resembled in this catatonic spren.
  5. There isn’t anti investiture seen in the series as you’re thinking of it. I see it like this. There is an anti version of investiture that is made mana fest through a particular shard. Voidlight = Odium, lifelight = Cultivation. Voidlght is of Odium, Lifelight is of Cultivation. Shards are conduits to the spiritual realm. They each seem to have a distinct filter associated with them through which investiture travels through. Hence the different forms of light, storm, void, life. Odium is a candidate to the spiritual realm. That investiture expresses itself as voidlight through Odium. Odium projects his influence through the everstorm which impowers the fused. I don’t know if the everstrom picks and chooses what gems get invested. SInce the Radients don’t seem to have easy access to it. Regardless. The only way to access void light is through the everstorm. And Odium controls that. With that being sad, there would be enough voidlight in circulation to then be inverted to anti-voidlight to threaten odium, gems also do go dun. I also believe that it wouldn’t be a threat to him, since he is a source of investiture, seemingly linked to the spiritual realm, An outside force wouldn’t be able to create enough voidlight to nulify odium. And anti stormlight would work. I think Odium has used other means to Kill shards. I doubt we will see a shards power inverted on themself. Odium couldn’t used anti stromlight to hurt anyone other than him and his own forces. Though, the stone that Navani had tested earlier on, which seems like it was anti stormlight? I don’t quite remember if that was implied. Stormlight and anti stormlight and explosive apparently. Potential for explosives. The Fused dont see the war like the humans. They know that the oathpact is damaged. They are brought back to life via the everstrom now. They are in a very good position. Technical positions don’t matter to them. ITs a war of attrition that the fused will win. Odium will make more fused. Spren seem to be more finite. Anti light seems like a your enemies weapon being used against them. But with limited applications.
  6. Elhokar. He was a great foil to Dalinars dominate personality. The way that Elhokar looked at Kaladin and questioned why people followed and respected him. He so desperately wants to be taken seriously and to be respected. But he is of privilege. He was treated with kid gloves and never moulded into a leader. Only being around the right people does he start to do the right thing. His arc to self actualize is cut short due to the ramifications of his past crimes in the form of Moash. Poetic. Jasnah is cool too. Probably because of the lack of screentime, though.
  7. Shallan and formless Shallan doesn’t want to face hard truths or internalize potentially harmful realities that could have negative ramifications to her life. This was built from the powerlessness she felt in her childhood. Her parents were under a lot of stress, due to them both being tools things that were bigger than them. Shallans parents stress was expressed unto their children. Shallans mother seems like an ironic figure. She played with forces in hopes to shape the world. Those forces were reflected upon her in the form of her own Daughter. ANd echoed in the death of her husband. Shallan represses her own emotions and forms them into easy to handle detached witticisms cope with the day to day, so she deosn’t have to internalize. while repressing the larger traumas she has endured. Descovering her powers, her being able to change her face and the ramifications of that. A different face, a different personality to deal with things Shallan isn’t confidant or comfortable with. Vale helps Shallan cope with the anxieties of having to deal with people and manipulate them. While also being the form her negative coping mechanism manifest in, binge drinking. Vale is also represents Shallans proclivity to detach from reality with her wit, but to an extreme. SHe uses tactics to throw people off balance with her behaviour uses her words as a more honed tool than Shallan does. Shallan was a sheltered privileged light eyes, even with her traumatic past colouring it, she isn’t a street smart tough. Vale is an excuse not to feel embasressed while being in social situations she has never been in. I do not remember the name of the woman who trained Shallan in swindling people and eventually killed. But she is a woman who Shallan respected and wanted to be more like shallan admires the competence she feels she lacks herself. Radiant is a counter point to vale. She is based of the Jasnah. Shallan sees herself, more and more, as a backwater light eyes who is ill equipped to deal with a more refined culture that is presented to her. Shallan looks at Jasnah and sees her composure, her confidence in seemingly and situation, her pose, refinemnt and self assuredness and pragmatic efficiently. She tries to echo all these Qualities in Radient when she feels she’s incompetent or ill suited to a situation. When she feels like a child in a room of adults, as she must have felt through the majority of her childhood. Radient is the one who takes responsibility, is the motherly figure that cope with all the things she feels others see her as too much of a child to deal with. Formless is the byproduct of the growing tensions between the three main personals. Vale and Radiant were tools. Shallan grew to lean on them too much each as a coping mechanism. More and more she used them less as the tools as they were crafted to be, and more as an escape from reality. They were made to be tools to allow her to functions in situations she felt anxiety around. WIth those tools though, she never had to face those aspects of life and grow. More and more the tools became more like crutches. She didn’t make decisions on her own, she needed a consensus of the personas to act, adding more barriers between Shallan asd reality. Shallan has made layers around her so she deosn’t have to deal with aspects around her directly. Through RoW Vale is attempted to train Shallan and not holding her had that she will be able to cope. Shallan at some level wants to be able to experience reality but is afraid of what that means for her. Much like Kaladin had to learn that he wants to protect, but can’t help everyone, he can’t help everything external to him, he needed to internalize that. Shallan needs to cope with the external judgments of other, and her internalizations of them, and not crumble and fracture into personas as a coping mechanism. Formless is the reaction to the indecision she has made around her with the two other personals. She made a escape rout if reality ever becomes too hard for her one that strips her of any hesitation or self doubt or self reflection. Formless is the abandonment of all indecision and self doubt, the self destructive path Moash took in the form of a persona. The other path availed is to actually look at your past and internalize it and try to move on, much as Dalanar is trying to do, what Moash refuses to do. Formless referred to being as male by Shallan I assume is due to her father brutal nature but love of Shallan. Her father was a brutal and callous man. But he was decisive and protected Shallan. Her father tried his hardest to strip the people around him of their autonomy. As formless does to Shallan. Formless talks with a cold belittling detachment to Adoline and Pattern. Formless takes all Indecision away to protect Shallan, as any of her persons are methods of self southing and defence. It is a reaction to the indecision the trio face, the trio is a system so that things can be delt with, not for them to also be further agonized upon in inaction and deliberation. Her tools are working, so she manifests a new one. I also find myself thinking back to when Shallan killed the woman Vale is based on. Her decisive demeanour and commanding tone and presence. I would like to know what others think of this, whatever this is.
  8. I find the similarities between the Heralds and Fused interesting. I assume the Fused existed before the Heralds were made immortal/creation of the oathpact. I'm going to assume a non trivial amount of fused have lost their mind. As have the heralds, in their own way, perhaps it's the differences between Singer and Human. This makes me wonder if Hoid will eventually unravel.
  9. Shardblades burn out their victims eyes. Their connection to the spiritual realm is severed. Spren are beings of the cognitive and are granted a link to the spiritual through their bond with a humans. Perhaps their oaths being broken is like traumatic wound to what soul they are lent through their bond to the spiritual realm via a radiant bond. And that's why Moash is blind. Because his spirit is dead or deeply wounded through his actions and his in ability to take responsibly for his actions and have personal responsibility. Self actualization, which is what the Radients oath system is, essentially.
  10. I dont know if Sanderson would use the melding of of shards again. Though it would be fitting if he did, since Odium fears becoming something other than itself. Honor is splintered. So I dont know if it could meld with Odium. If anything it would be a Odium mixed with a sliver of honour. Would that temper odium? I dont know. Cultivation is also a player in this. But I think a melding of Odium and Cultivation would be worse than Odium and Honour.
  11. There are also many different languages on Roshar. The singer's/fused have their own language. I dont know if I'm being pedantic. I dont think sapien spren existed before humans migrated to Roshar. But I'm also not sure if humans did or didnt have spren on their home planet. Roshar always did since singers use them symbiotically to function.
  12. We have shardblades represented as dead eyes in the cognitive realm. Shardblades are sapien radiant spren. Shardplate does not manifest in the cognitive realm. It's made of lesser non sapien spren. Soulcasters are represented as small closed eyes, unresponsive spren. Not dead eyes. This leads me to believe their sapien, as they manifest like blades and unlike plate. There lack of scratched out eyes lead me to think they arent necessarily a radiant spren. Or their weren't necessarily betrayed. The only other unique spren I can think of, are the oath gate spren. I dont think they are related though. This begs the question what happens if you take a spren captured in a gem I to shadesmar what happens? Do fabrial work in shadesmar? I cant think of an example of them being used. Singers/fused can enter the cognitive realm, and they do have captured spren in their gem heart. This leads me to believe that captured spren would still be in a gem in shadesmar.
  13. The children I can think of. Kaladins brother The rightful heir of Alethcar That Child in one of the interludes that wants to be a radiant . The death rattle relating to 3 of the 16. The only broken one out of the shards in the Rosharn system are Cultivation, Odium and Honour. Honour being the only broken one. There is potential that Cultivation or Odium will change hosts And that the vessel could be Odium. Moash, he is a being of pain. He could be a prime vessel for Odium. He is, also broken.
  14. Renarin definitely has something going on. His illness pre spren bond seemed suspicious to Kaladin. Could be potential external factors at play, such as cultivation/nightwatcher/odium/heritage. Also, the meaning oh his name was brought up in OB. "Like one who was born unto himself " That could be a hint. A potential re birth, or coming into himself. Post spren bond, Renarin was shown when the everstorm would occur. He was shown his own death. Renarin death not occuring brought to tears to him, realizing that the future wasnt set. The way I see it. Renarin has a limited version of Odiums futuresight through his bond with his spren. His spren was remade via an unmade, which is a creation/agent/extension of Odium. The usage of Odiums own power from could create a potential nullification of Odiums own power where Renarin phyiscal location and odiuns influence intersect. Hence why a few people are shown to be obscured to Odium. Its Odiums fault, essentially. Odiums hubris. Its ironic since he has future sight and yet managed to obfuscate it.
  15. Adolin shines with his interactions with others. He is left dull on his own. Over all I like Adolin. Even though he now has a chip on his shoulder, it fits though, because he acts like a chip to the radiant around him, and seems to be as cheap as one too. His murder of Sadious still feels vaguely glossed over and as if it hasnt paid off. Now that everyone in the Sadious camp is taken care of, the only tention of Sadiouses death comes with his interactions with Dalinar. Dalinar seems to be blind to the journey of other people's. He has gone through his own and his interactions with his son are tone deaf and hypocritical. I hope this resolves. I like Adolin. But I feel as if Elend was shattered into two characters, Adolin and Renarin. Adolin is Elend, switch the scholory nature with fashion, throw in new tention with Dalinar, bamboo, Adolin. Renarin is Elends bookestness and self doubt in extreme.
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