Honorspring

2 minutes ago, teknopathetic said:

No Rhythm of War Spoilers Ahead:

The question of how Hoid knew child-Shallan had talked to spren is extremely interesting. We learn a few things in Rhythm of War, but they do not give us a solid answer of what Hoid could have "seen/felt". Hoid also knows she faces an unnatural darkness in her home, so what is that all about? Is that something he could sense about Shallan, or something he knew from Shallan's eldest brother?

Shallan did not have an active bond to a spren at the time she met Messenger Hoid, so what did Hoid see? Rhythm of War does give a potential answer, but it is far far from clear. Basically, there still isn't a great explanation for what Hoid saw, but he may have been able to see broken bond potentially or seen the spren that were hovering around Shallan before she went and bonded again in TWoK. 

My theory was that Hoid could see that Shallan was Chanarach's child/cutting meaning that Hoid recognized Chanarach, but that is not confirmed or anything. 

Warbreaker spoilers:

In The Way of Kings, Wit makes a comment to Kaladin while playing his flute into the echoing chasms, "This is so much easier with perfect pitch". That is an ability gained on Nalthis at the second Heightening with 200 Breaths. The first Heightening grants aura recognition, the ability to sense the amount of investiture someone has, including invisible people like spren. So he probably saw a cryptic hovering around Shallan, and maybe he could also sense Odious investiture too, residuals from whatever is affecting her home that clung to her and her father. Or her father himself was invested with Odious investiture

Just listened the the Adolin/Maya Shardcast and I had an idea. Could Adolin heal the cracks in Mayaxs sould by bonding another spren? They are Connected enough for him to give her some of his own strength during the Honorspren trial, so why not give the strength of his Nahel bond? I don't know if this would later allow him to bond Maya as well or what other effects this could have, please comment your theories on what this trio would look like

10 hours ago, Inquisitor #5 said:

If we  look at the themes of the orders, Dustbringer is self-mastery and Stoneward is being where you are needed.

I think that Ash, a person who has been running from her role as Herald for over four millenia, would make a poingnant journey traveling the path of being where you're needed.

Taln on the other hand has spent that same time being exactly where he's needed and is a broken man who seems to act mostly on instinct when not lucid. He's also known to be stubborn to a fault and having a penchant to win unwinnable battles but die in the process. Walking the path of self-mastery could see him learning to temper his stubborness and not throwing his life away. He's also the Herald with the worst known mental state, even Jezrien wasn't as unaware of reality as Taln, so I'd say that he's the one who's most in need of re-mastering himself.

 

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While I do really like that idea, I would argue that Dustbringers strive for restraint more so than mastery. They weild the surge of Division, an ability that would require a great deal of restraint and control. I feel that Taln resigned himself to a role and it broke him, and now he needs to learn again how to be where he is needed and to leave his nigh catatonic state. Also one of the things that can lead someone to being a Dustbringer is a focus on destruction, which Ash has been excelling at for a few thousand years by now

Sanderson is okay with people guessing some of his plot points, and the majority of fans aren't aware of which characters will be view point  characters down the line so this is something that most people wouldn't know. The best confirmation for me is the finale of Oathbringer, when the gang jumps through the perpendicularity to join Dalinar back in the physical realm. He looks around and starts counting off people, Kaladin for the Windrunners, Szeth for the Skybreakers, Lift for the Edgedancers, Renarin for the Truthwatchers, Shallan for the Lightweavers, Jasnah for the Elsecallers, Taln for the Stonewards, and Dalinar himself for the Bondsmiths. He also counts Ask among them because she is a Herald but wonders why he only counts nine. What he doesn't know is that Venli, who is nearby with Odium, is a Willshaper, bringing the total number to ten. All 10 orders are present except the Dustbringer because Ash and Shallan are both Lightweavers, so I think the only conclusion is that Ash will become a Dustbringer

7 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Preservation saw thousands of years with the Terris prophecy. Also @Honorspring why would you put endowment in the change Dawnshard 

Because Endowment is granting or gifting something to another, therefore changing the one who receives the endowment. Honor, Valor, Whimsy, Odium, Ambition, Devotion, Autonomy, these are all things dealing with emotion or rule, while Endowment is the only word who's definition is based on changing something

On 1/13/2021 at 2:30 PM, Kingsdaughter613 said:

16 is Scadrial’s number. Also the Cosmere’s as a whole.

Or possibly the host of Adonalsium, separated from his power. So far we have not seen any effects from the Dawnshards which we know are the weapons used to "kill god himself". But wouldn't killing a god and removing his power basically be the same thing? And after being permeated with the infinite power of all 16 Shards, I think it would be reasonable to assume that the host, if left alive after the shattering, would be immortal, bound to a strict regimen based on the events of his "death", and why he was so scared when confronted by Shallan because he's terrified of conflict after having been reduced to a human

Okay so this theory is going to be half formed and probably not great but a lightbulb went off in my head while re-reading Mistborn. Burning atium grants future sight, to a degree, feruchemists can store youthfulness, and and an atium spike can steal any ability. It makes sense that in Ruin's own magic system it could steal any ability, making it the most powerful metal out of his system because it decays the source of the power, but the other two are temporal in nature. We also know that Cultivation and Endowment are very skilled in future sight while other shards struggle with this. What I'm thinking is that Shards from the change quadrant of the Dawnshard chart will have more powerful temporal abilities, this being due to the fact that the nature of their power is to change things and so they can read the effects of changes much more easily. I am pretty steadily convinced that invention will also be one of the Change Shards so in theory that takes care of all four from that quadrant. If I'm right about this, the other three quadrants relating to the nature of the shards abilities would grant four Shards a specific strength in their given attribute rather than simply having power related to that attribute. We know from a word-of-Brandon that one of the Dawnshards is unique while the other three have a much closer relation so I'm asking in this post if anyone has ideas for what the other Dawnshards might be based on the powers granted by certain shards.

I know this is kind of a long shot because Odium is also particularly skilled in future sight and Preservation showed at least proficiency in this area as well, but I feel at this point any information we can base theories on is worth looking at for the sake of hopefully predicting a Dawnshard or two before the next Stormlight book comes out 3 years from now

53 minutes ago, IndigoAjah said:

Maybe anti-Investiture isn't the right concept, but more like an Investiture Black Hole.

 

I just think there's no evidence of Nightblood emitting any Investiture, rather nullifying and absorbing it all, and Black has a deeper meaning that just a colour of light attached to one Shardic Intent.  

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/452/#e14511

This is the wob I mentioned, explaining that nightblood leaks investiture because he can't hold that which he has consumed.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10902

And this is a wob confirming that Nightblood has a direct relation to Ruin. 

10 hours ago, LordTheodore said:

He's not talking about the forms of power. He's talking about the standard singer forms.

Oh shoot, yeah you're totally right

On 1/8/2021 at 7:24 PM, Halyo_Alex said:

What the heck happened to your message? XD

Also yeah you're right.

I honestly have no idea I tried refreshing the page several times and it just kept getting worse. User error I'm sure, I'm as bad with computers as my grandfather

15 hours ago, IndigoAjah said:

As for Tien, I don't know but I think it's possible as we know he had a Spren attracted to him.

 

As for NB, we've had some hints that Ruin is vaguely involved, but I think NB borrows from all Investiture, made crossing several systems by Vasher et Al., and that he is his own unique thing that Shards can't predict. I think he is connected to black more as a Black Hole, the opposite of Light in general and thus the embodiment of anti-Investiture than as the colour Black connected to Ruin.

 

With Tien, I think the important thing here isn't that he was Radiant, or anything about his life at all, but about him having knowledge from being in the Beyond for years. Dalinar "united them" so I feel like it was the actual soul of Tien, not just a memory or vision like Dalinar has in highstorms

We have WoBs on Nighblood kind of explaining that he eats the investiture of everything he touches, and that the black smoke that bleeds from his blade is excess investiture. He has eaten so much that its like trying to hold a gallon of water in a solo cup, it just pours out of him. So he isn't destroying the investiture, he seems to be converting it (to what I think is investiture keyed to the intent of Ruin, or his rhythm or whatever). We know from RoW that anti investiture cancels out with regular investiture, or really only the investiture that it was intentionally keyed to be opposite of. Its highly destructive in a way that Nightblood is not. While the sword severs all connections in all three realms, anti light blows up so I'm kinda convinced he isn't anti so much as pure destructive force, per his command

Could be a dragon

26 minutes ago, AquaRegia said:

6)      would like to punch in the face – Wit.  He needs to get off his ass.  Also I’m still mad about how he treated Kelsier.

As much as I like Kelsier in Mistborn, secret histories really explains that he is supremely hateful and prejudiced in all of his murders, which he takes pleasure in and calls "the fun part". He's also Thaidakar, founder of an organization of murderers who do a bunch of messed up stuff in the pursuit of self interest. And didn't Kelsier try to punch Wit first? And Wit was surprised that he was able to punch Kelsier since that's the only being he's been able to harm since the Shattering. I'm not saying Wit doesn't deserve it, he's certainly obnoxious in the pursuit of humor, but you also can't say Kelsier didn't deserve that punch and much worse

16 minutes ago, Nameless said:

Well, what I meant was that only those orders get an immediate "power boost" from swearing a new ideal. The other orders get increased efficiency, but they don't get a boost of Stormlight or anything.

Ohhhhhhhh, okay I see. Well I think its just Windrunners and Bondsmiths because they have the surge of adhesion, Honor's own surge. It would be cool for stonewards to get it as well but I don't think that will be the case

On 12/20/2020 at 10:25 AM, GroundPetrel said:

Anyway that's my crack theory of the day, thoughts?  

I think that Adolin is on his way to becoming a Stoneward. Mainly because the Radiant symbol at the beginning of parts 2 and 4 of Rhythm of War are the symbol of the order of Stonewards (part 2 is when the journey to Shadesmar begins, part 4 is when Adolin goes through the trial and defends Maya, and those are the only two parts where Adolin is a viewpoint charachter). Also, I think its too convenient for Adolin to naturally align to the order of the blade that he was given by his father, and I doubt that the blade had an effect on his personality as we haven't seen this with any other character. Stonewards are dependable and resourceful, and Adolin was dependable all over the books, but namely when he went to save Notum, when Kaladin was in jail, when the thunderclast had beat the crap out of him and he just kept fighting, when Shallan was falling apart and he was always there for her, when Kaladin is breaking down in part one of RoW, and when Maya was in pain and needed support. His resourcefulness shows in his fight with the thunderclast when he uses brain to defeat it rather than brawn, when he uses the starspren to get Shallan to show herself for long enough to communicate with her, and making his outfits even when he sews himself one from various other clothes aboard the Lightspren ship.

On 12/20/2020 at 9:30 PM, Nameless said:

Well, swearing oaths only really matters for Windrunners, Bondsmiths, and maybe Stonewards.

This is not true. While Lift didn't speak her third Ideal, she did think it and for any other Edgedancer that wouldn't have worked. Lift is just seriously weird because of Cultivation's boon and curse. For Lightweavers, the truths they speak are their oaths, except instead of being a promise of how they will use their power it is a truth that makes them face a lie about themselves, thus become a better person more worthy of weilding the surges. Willshapers, we just saw Venli deal and struggle with in Rhythm of War. Their oaths likewise make them better and more deserving of their powers. And Skybreakers oaths are the same way. While they may seem easy, it is clear that an oath has to be meant, the Intent has to be there, for the spren to accept it, then goes for second judgement to a higher spren such as the Stormfather, Sibling, or Cultivation apparently? Ishar thrust the Ideals upon the Radiants to ensure that only those who are worthy could progress

On 1/3/2021 at 10:00 AM, yulyulk said:

On 1/5/2021 at 2:44 PM, yulyulk said:

On 1/5/2021 at 2:44 PM, yulyulk said:

OMG...omg. you are so right, I can't believe I didn't notice this. Also, perhaps mediationform could be an analogue of Bondsmiths, in that case.

So there's actually a WoB confirming that there are more than 10 forms of power for the Singers. While I see the correlation/analogue you're talking about I think it has more to do with the nature of the spren than with a particular radiant order, though I do think that we can guess which form would be caused by bonding the plate spren of an order

On 1/5/2021 at 11:32 AM, Honorspring said:

"look at them Kal. Look at their colors" in reference to his Connections to others, it almost seems like a huge hint as to the significance of color in the Cosmere.

My thought is that everything is Connected. Not everything directly, but like, in Shadesmar, objects/the cognitive aspect of objects manifests as a glass sphere and every person as a light. So in my mind, every object and person exists as an individual point in the Spiritual realm and throughout time, people and objects form Connections. So there's trillions upon trillions of points with a bunch of different lines Connecting to various other points and each of those Connections is colored. Like if you were friends with someone the line Connecting you would be lets say green (for Cultivation), and the lines between Dalinar and The Rift would be black (for Ruin). And since everything would have multiple Connections, everything IS Connected in a roundabout sort of way. Idk, just my visualization of the Spiritual realm

"This is wrong," Kaladin said. "I'm supposed to hold you. Protect you."

"And you did. As I helped you." He pulled Kaladin tight. "Why do we fight, Kal? Why do we keep going?"

"I don't know," Kaladin whispered. "I've forgotten."

"It's so we can be with each other."

"They all die, Tien. Everyone dies."

"So they do, don't they?"

"That means it doesn't matter," Kaladin said. "None of it matters."

"See, that's the wrong way of looking at it." Tien held him tighter. "Since we all go to the same place in the end, the moment we spent with each other are the only things that do matter. The times we helped each other."

Kaladin trembled.

"Look at it Kal," Tien said softly. "See the colors. If you think letting Teft die is a failure - but all the times you supported him or meaningless - then no wonder it always hurts. Instead, if you think of how lucky you both were to be able to help each other when you were together, well, it looks a lot nicer, doesn't it?"

On 1/3/2021 at 10:00 AM, yulyulk said:

There's also meditationform, but I have no idea what its spren could be. 

 

 

This is actually mediationform, you added an extra t. I though the same thing until my second read of RoW. Mediationform would be good at resolving conglics peacefully

I love the idea

As I was reading Rhythm of War, Kaladin's vision of Tien caught my eye and one particular phrase raised a huge question for me. When Tien says (paraphrasing here, will add actual quote later today) "look at them Kal. Look at their colors" in reference to his Connections to others, it almost seems like a huge hint as to the significance of color in the Cosmere. And because Kaladin later found the wooden horse that was handed to him in the vision, it seems that it was a genuine Connection he had with Tien from the Beyond. Does anyone else get the feeling that this is vastly important? Or that it might be worth getting a WoB on? Also, side note to make this post super long, we have a WoB confirming that color is important in the Mistborn series and we know that Honors color is blue and Honor is the force of cohesion, that which binds and Connects things to each other. I'm assuming this is why the lines that show allomancers sources of metal, or their Connection to them, are blue. The only other reference to color in Mistborn that I know of is that Ruin is black and Preservation is white. Is it possible that Ruin was directly involved in the creation of nightblood which is why nightblood turned black upon its creation? It's command is "destroy evil" and destruction is exactly ruin

The gemstone wouldn't be particularly important, like you said, though ruby seems the best pairing with cedar. However, the metal for the fabrial cage should be steel because it is the pushing metal and it would be pushing the sound out rather than pulling it in. I would also include some zinc and brass wires connecting to the volume control since they "soothe andriot" the spren inside the fabrial

On a very strange world where hurricane level storms filled with magic are common and the spirits of emotions and natural things are always around, a gifted soldier-turned-slave fights to stay alive, and to keep his friends that way too. A great warlord struggles to decide if the visions he's seen lately should be trusted or if he is losing his mind to age and the stress of politics. A young girl seeks to become a thief in order to save her family but gets in over her head when she tries to steal from the kings sister, and must become a woman instead if she is to survive and save far more than just her brothers 

So I'm getting a tattoo of the expanded glyphs that are stamped into the front of the hardcover Stormlight books. Because of this I've paid a lot of attention to them and I've noticed that the Windrunner/ Jezrien glyph look a lot like a helmet. I am looking for help identifying what the other symbols could be. Please offer any help you can? We only have eight of the ten so far