ScadrianTank

On 01/12/2022 at 0:01 AM, Frustration said:

Defenses: Scadrial has few natural defenses, other than their Cognitive realm being largely composed of mists that no non-invested object can float on. The Malwish have some low mountains, lakes, and rivers but little else, and Elendel is largely exposed. 1/5

I don't see the point of this section, personally. Any Invested army won't be deterred by geology and mortal armies won't be able to cross Shadesmar.

On 01/12/2022 at 0:01 AM, Frustration said:

They also have cannons, short range missiles,

They're technically rockets - missiles can steer

On 01/12/2022 at 0:01 AM, Frustration said:

As always did I miss anything?

Long-range non-Invested comms in radio and telegraphs

On 21/11/2022 at 7:06 PM, SteelBagel said:

why not just directly de-age marsh?

Solving people's problems directly is a subpar outcome to making them figure things out on their own. Harmony or Sazed's approach since Ascension seems to be pushing people into developing solutions. After stumping the North's tech growth by solving people's problems for them, it makes sense to me that he'd lead his people to a way to have atium again and explore it in more depth instead of directly solving Marsh's aging. I'd even say that this action actually give a little credence to Saze claiming that "he had it in hand".

On 20/11/2022 at 8:26 PM, Isilel said:

Kelsier works with people who were born 1-2 millenia previously and while some of their longevity is likely time-dilation, they also must have ways to significantly slow aging.

This one interests me the most, though a simple answer would be that Marsh just refused, for whatever reason. I don't see any scenario where Kel would deliberatly refuse to help his brother attain longevity.

18 hours ago, Tglassy said:

It's devolving in to "But my attack dog has a forcefield," "But my dinosaur eats forcefield dogs!"

If you haven't seen this same discussion in the old topic, don't look at it now, but it's pretty mild in comparison, honestly

10 hours ago, ConfusedCow said:

Does strife produce innovation?  Aren't peace, plenty and partnership as likely to produce advancement as hatred, hardship and horror?  I'd be interested if anybody with a history of science background could chime in as to what the historical record tells us.

It's more about the general drive to overcome nature than the constant struggle against anything specific like war, natural disasters, or alien invasions.

I don't want to search for actual quotes, but Saze says so himself in Shadows (I think )when talking about how Basin's perfect climate stunted North's growth.

WW2 is the most extreme example in this case because the need to produce a lot of... everything really, drove people to develop techniques, processes, and alternative solutions.

But in general, a people with a reason to see what's on the other side of the ocean will get there faster than those who do it out of curiosity.

The book didn't add much to what we had before. All new tech North gained is still in the early stages, if effective against an opponent that (presumably) still uses spears and swords.

I'm waiting for era 3 to see what the South is all about, but my preliminary judgment is that if the technological age Kelsier wishes for comes to fruition, Scadrial as a planet/civilization will be more dangerous than Roshar. However, Rosharan magic users will always be stronger than Metalborn, especially with the new restrictions on Compounding, Dawnshards, Bondsmiths, and two(?) active Shards.

On Compounding specifically, it looks like a steady supply of purified Investiture might eliminate the need for it. All Compounding really does is fuel the Feruchemical attribute/effect with Preservation's Investiture, but now we know that you can supply it externally.

20 hours ago, skaa said:

It seems to me that Ghostbloods in general share their founder's utilitarianism somewhat.

They were in the middle of stopping the world from getting nuked and invaded by an alien army. Caring about stray prisoners at that moment is plot armor and protagonist privilege

Did we see any indication that Bondsmiths can manipulate Connection at a distance? Because if not, they just have the power of an atomic bomb at a range of a cocktail straw.

12 hours ago, LewsTherinTelescope said:

What malatium thing specifically?

That malatium is made from another alloy instead of base godmetal.

The malatium thing still irks me, even with the WoB. (WoP?)  We're at the point where fixing these oddities means that it breaks other things around it. If this is the case, we'll end up in a situation where the fundamental part of the worldbuilding of the series is referred to incorrectly for more than three books straight, 

I wanted to write a long response because this topic confused me for a long time. But after RoW - specifically reading the Sibling and other spren throw around contradictory information - I'd rather just wait for book 5. Too much happened in a space of a few days, possibly even a single day, and yet it feels like we're still missing critical information. Did the Radiants break their oaths or did their spren just end the bond as the Sibling did? If all orders broke their oaths, whatever form it took, on the same day and Windrunners were among the first, how did the rest of the Orders get the communication? Were there no Radiants in seclusion or in Shadesmar who just didn't get the memo? It seems too convenient but, knowing Brandon, it all makes sense, somehow.

This makes sense but I have no idea why it can also manipulate pressure. If the Windrunners didn't get more squires, I'd say that pressure manipulation is a resonance.

A slug enthusiast has entered the forums, I see. Welcome and thank you for the Coppermind work, this community wouldn't be the same without people like you.

Just now, Spoon said:

Delivering packages will be done by coinshots for an extra fee.

Aren't they already working as couriers in Era 2? Still cool, though.

4 minutes ago, therunner said:

No. nonononono.
Why did you bring me into this? Why did you drag me back? I have been free for 10 years, since that accursed summer of 2011. The meme was dormant, if not destroyed, buried deep in my psyche, where conscious though cannot reach. The best ethanols and tetrahydrocannabinols money (well, not a lot of money, but still) made sure of that. And now all the effort is for naught, as you turned it attention upon me.
 

I curse your name for dragging me back. Anyhoo If I am to fall, I will not be alone....so.... @ScadrianTank

@Zoey

@Benkinsky

@HSuperLee

Kelsier could've decided to use the Set so that the Basin finally moves past the nobles and titles. 

One of the scenes with Kelsiers crew in the Final Empire, when they were all relaxing and pretending to speak in Spook's slang. "Wasing not of wasing is."

The duel in WoR.

Marisi using Bands.

"My sin be hidden."

@Oltux72 Like the third one 

Got tired of thinking of ways to kill a planet with F-Iron-equipped rods from god, and decided that it would be fun to speculate how Scadrian society can incorporate the Metallic Arts in other aspects of life by Era 3. 

Just in general, I would argue that Allomancy is generally better suited for commercial uses than Feruchemy, at least when comparing the same powers or tasks that can be accomplished with either Allomantic or Feruchemical ability. Supply departments wouldn't need to worry about employees storing attributes without blanking their Identity first, for one. It also ensures that given a certain amount of metal, employees will be able to work for a set time unless they flare too often. You'd have to account for subjective tapping amount/speed with Feruchemy.

What I came up with for conventional, not mechanized, uses:

• Allomantic and Feruchemical pewter for carrying heavy things. 
• Fixing things with Allomantic electrum.
• Schooling with Copperminds, especially if compounding allows to duplicate memories. Could be better than books if duplication is possible and affordable.
• Feruchemical and Allomantic iron for high-altitude work.
• Feruchemical zinc for emergency services and better driving.
• Allomantic roads like in the Final Empire. 
• Copperminds for taking witness testimonies and treating people who suffered recent mental and/or emotional trauma.
• Feruchemical bendalloy for (military) rations. Potentially with pictures of foods stored in them, if taste also translates.
• Feruchemical tin for absolute personal soundproofing.
• Allomantic iron for finding all of the small screws that roll of the damn table. >:( 

Allomantic and Feruchemical fabrials (ettmetal machines):

• Allomantic zinc and brass for improving workplace productivity.
• Feruchemical iron for everything, but vehicles in particular.
• If you can convert Allomantic pulses from bronze in electric or digital form you get an automated Seeking device that can automatically recognize metals being burned.
• If you can convert blue lines from Allomantic iron or steel you get an automated metal detector, maybe even a scale for weighing large objects.
• Feruchemical zinc for "overclocking" computers.
• Feruchemical brass for cooling everything and helping to overclock computers.
• Allomantic cadmium for storage. Sounds expensive, though.
• Allomantic electrum for self-driving cars.
• "Flying" cars, trains, skateboards.

All thoughts, ideas, and critiques are welcome.

After a God King dies, how long can they last as a Cognitive shadow? They are seemingly the most Invested people we've seen so far, but the Breaths are not fully part of the soul, so would they even help? And if a God King doesn't form a Shadow - since he/she is one already - let's just say a regular person of tenth Heightening.

59 minutes ago, AquaRegia said:

Szeth will be in Shinovar

16 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

Szeth will be heading to Shinovar

There is an Oathgate in Shinovar, so he can get back to Urithiru fast if the plot goes in that direction.

That might also allow Adolin to become a Champion, if he and Shallan will be going to Shinovar as well.

8 hours ago, Benkinsky said:

does it not? I think it still tracks. First, you're introduced to "so there's 8 normal metals and then there's additional special ones", and later learn "ah, there's actually 16 and then there's additional special ones", and those are the God metals, which Atium was and Gold wasn't. Atium mistings are weird, but knowing Preservation specifically made that possible tracks. Now I'm wondering if there are like Raysium Mistings and stuff or if Harmony would have to create that too

1. This clue was supposed to help people who had no idea that there are 16 metals. If Yomen didn't spill the beans, there was no way for the wast majority of Scadrial to know that at the time.
2. 16 doesn't fit logically if it's meant to point people to the metal that ISN'T one of the 16.
3. The fact that atium mistings are a thing. God metals are supposed to be usable by everyone. In fact, that is another change Brandon wants to make for a film adaptation.

1 minute ago, Benkinsky said:

true, it does track more for the Allomancy thing. Though Atium Mistings are kind of number 17+, aren't they?

That is why Brandon wants to change the whole 16 thing for a film adaptation, I think. The more you think about it, the less sense it makes.

Also, it's worth mentioning that not all Shards are equal in terms of how well their Intents mash up with people. For example, I'd much rather have Cultivation, Preservation, or Endowment watching over my planet than Ruin, Odium, or Honor. In the cosmere, there is a part of the pantheon you respect but quietly wish to be as far from you as possible. 

Harmony seems to be doing well, under the circumstances. It will be interesting to see how the southerners treat him in their religions. 

Endowment seems to act similarly to Sazed, sending out Returned when she thinks it's worth intervening. But I suspect that she caused the Manywar by pushing the Five Scholars to create Nightblood, which may or may not have been a deal with Cultivation. If that is the case, then she goes a step beneath Sazed.

Honor, Cultivation, and Odium killed a planet with their schemes and are in the process of killing another, so they go to the bottom of the list. 

Mistborn powers are generally more useful in day-to-day life, so that's what I'd choose. 

On a completely unrelated note, seeing this topic's name gives me flashbacks to that... thread. I can't even imagine what will happen after Lost Metal is released.