Illwei

smh If just *once* someone would play along with me... (yes I'm looking at you, Archer and Mat smh) but wow! honoured that I deserved a differen't gif this time :P.

did someone actually give Kas a PM

it's not that I think none of them are Elim, it's that I think no more than one is an Elim, so- we'll see how things go from here. None of them are e/e together, but I'm not about to write all those out. That also actually was the wrong fake roleclaiming thing, the other one where they were giving out completely fake roles. I think there's no more than one Elim in there as well. Szeth/Steel not E/E ---[+++]--- Matrim: - He Identified that my post wasn't me, which shows to me an investment in actually solving me IMO Archer: - Starting the Zelda theory, Claiming Zelda ---[++]--- Pyro: - Claiming Zelda. Pyro would theoretically be more wary of drawing attention to himself especially being the first person. Alv, Tani, (Azmine-less so), anyone else I'm missing who claimed Zelda and isn't Archer or Pyro - I'd think at most there's one elim in the pool of everyone who claimed Zelda. too much attention. ---[+]--- Araris, Kas, TUO: - doing the whole "fake roleclaiming" thing. Mostly TUO. ---[-]--- Steel: - Everything feels forced, tonally. not on my kill list yet, giving a pass for the whole...hasn't been on for 2 years thing, needs time to adjust

mmm ---[+++]--- Matrim: - He Identified that my post wasn't me, which shows to me an investment in actually solving me IMO Archer: - Starting the Zelda theory, Claiming Zelda ---[++]--- Pyro: - Claiming Zelda. Pyro would theoretically be more wary of drawing attention to himself especially being the first person. Alv, Tani, (Azmine-less so), anyone else I'm missing who claimed Zelda and isn't Archer or Pyro - I'd think at most there's one elim in the pool of everyone who claimed Zelda. too much attention. ---[+]--- Araris, Kas, TUO: - doing the whole "fake roleclaiming" thing. Mostly TUO. EDIT: right right right you just wanna sit in your little corner and solve your game right right That's expected. Give it a bit.

Controlled chaos is can be good for the village Analysis? In my Chill game? More likely than you'd think smh

Then again if I was postman I wouldn't be able to open a PM with you yet, having opened one with TJ instead, of course Even though I seem to be the third wheel from TJ's perspective smh

What if Mr. Postman is me what then

Mr Postman I'd like a PM with Mr. Kasimir here

Catchup posts are rarely useful for anyone and are a pain to read but that won't stop me First of all this is incredibly counter to last game, though I understand it's because of Link and Zelda being found. talking about what roles go where isn't harmful to the village unless someone trusts it too much and then beedle turns out to be an Elim who finds Zelda off the bat or something. No one is speculating about who has what role in thread, which is what is harmful. I know nothing about homestuck except that I just died in a homestuck themed mafia game because I suck at geoguesser. take out of that what you will. WHOA whoa whoa that's exactly what ISN'T going to happen reread the post and change your answer good sir smh SHHHHHHHH I am no longer accepting this attack on TUO. He has been like this in every game since then, even though he keeps getting killed D1 for it. I'm shielding TUO today and calling you opportunistic for trying to jump on this yet again, though it keeps happening and isn't ever useful or right. TJ Also TJ why don't you want a PM with me? ;-;;

Im riding on a high coming back home tbqh Comfy here

Dw you'll get used to it :P. Welcome to LG78: Legend of Zelda: Too Many Zeldas Now my question is why are you afraid of approaching me

NOOOOOO i would never <3 <3 <3

Oh no! EDIT: /s :P.

Well, according to my PM and what other people seem to be saying, it feels like you, the GM, are just objectively wrong here smh

Absolutely

Omg i love you already for using "goodie" and "baddie" But also i think beedle is 100% in the clear. Yes zelda is a cop, but i also dont think that can catch beedle even if beedle was an elim, because you cant force a player to give or reject items how you want them to. Biggest comparison i can make is in the AG i gave and denied people PMs. There was often no rhyme or reason for why i denied or granted PMs, and there might be no rhyme or reason to why beedle grants items sometimes.

How bold of you to assume i have conclusions

I can assure you sir that there is zero crem running through my veins

hi

I'm on the couch with my dog watching a show, and my dog is watching it too lmao [color=[color]text[/color]

I wouldn't go this route, not only is it not a good way to speculate, but if it does end up being right it feels like cheating imo. Metagaming the GM in a way

Thank you Pocket 100% effective

ALSO to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion. It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns. It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of oding this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game. Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

A quick note about SE theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you. I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread. I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am Zelda. When it becomes prudent I will provide my Results. Benefits: 1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the Elims are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as Zelda. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The Elims have already been outplayed, as it were. 2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as an Elim. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to be an Elim in that I've ever played in. I have no need to complicate my life, as an Elim, by open-claiming on thread open, when all I have to do is provide like a C-level Elim game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as an Elim, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome) exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to an Elim play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not mess up and kill me. Makes my life super awesome. 3. There are only 25 players you need to try to read, rather than 26: I have already provided a "free" peek of me in a game with 26 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game. Conclusion: The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am Zelda, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

I think that Beedle can not be an Elim. Sure you could try and fit that all together, but in the end that means that Beedle could approve all of the Elim requests and deny all the village. or most of the village. Or at least know what each person has, which means that it makes the Elim's job much easier. I'm going to say there's a 5 person Elim team with the Soother role. Functionally means that they can win at 6v5/5v5 and they still have a pool of 21 people that they have to- Okay I'm modifying that. I think 6 people with the soother. I forgot about Link and Zelda for a minute. Basically they could be at 6/7 and basically almost win but it means nothing if they don't kill Link and Zelda. Even if they have it figured out, then /shrug who knows. I'm losing thoughts. There is a roleblocker role as well, I think that if the doctor is village, then the roleblocker is an Elim and vice versa. the roleblocker and Doctor could both be an Elim, and then I would put a knight on the Elim team. more likely that there's like two village knights and an Elim roleblocker, because I think the knights are more swingy. EDIT: SHHHH THIS IS FINE EDIT2: Hot take: If you're saying that Beedle could be an Elim, you're an Elim.