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Yeah, that's true. Gears, Breaker. They're not lying about that, Archer scanned Gears awhile back and Gears is a Warder. Hmm. Something doesn't feel right about this though. The dead doc definitely is laughing :P.
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James. I was attacked. I am the reason Quinn was killed. I’ve tried not to state it that bluntly, but without my original suspicion everyone would have happily kept on reading her vil for effort. I was the first person to mention a gut evil on Lotus. I’m someone who happily chose Striker over Dannex. There is no way I’m evil in this game. None. I honestly don’t know what to make of you saying this. As I said it was a theory. I thought there would be an elim brown and imo my trust of Dannex trumps that. I said I’d reply more properly later, let me do that. Honestly I’m almost at the point where I want to exe Dannex just because no one is going to let it go. You’re all gonna push it until it happens. I’ve exhausted myself defending him to the point I’m ready to get it over with. I hope Orlok catches up soon :P.
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It’s not, it was a theory. One up until now I stood by, but I still see no way Dannex is evil. Dead doc has to be laughing their heads off at this :P. Gears, I’ll reply more properly in an hour or so. I need to finish up homework and reconvene my notes and thoughts. And get off mobile.
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No it hasn’t. It’s been established as a theory. You can’t just run with things like this. It’s no proof. Speculation on roles is not grounds for an exe. You have to look at the persons actions. Thus far, Dannex does not look guilty.
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No. The converse wouldn’t necessarily be true. That’s not how this works. Gears. I’ll examine more things later.
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What does this tell us again?
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Why are you saving Burnt though. I want a game reason, not a frens reason. At this stage that is nowhere near good enough.
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I have an actual Burnt read of their order vote. I don’t like it. No more nuts than voting Dannex. Or Devo. Better, in my opinion.
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Right now, we need more info. What Gears is proposing gives us info I feel we already have.
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You because you were bonded to Lotus and it makes some sense for the elims to have a brown. I don’t particularly want to do this one as much because of how distributiony it is. Order because they voted James with no reasoning whatsoever, and have been sort of hovering under the radar. The problem here is that Order is a Warder so it won’t do anything, which I just realized. Gears, I don’t want to kill Dannex. Nothing will change that. Better than exeing a Warder :/ Order Burnt
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My problem will always be that it doesn’t fully clear/condemn, there always will be other possibilities. But Ockham’s Razor. Did I spell that right? :P. I’ve already said. The two options that make sense here are Burnt or Order.
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Dannex is not a permitted kill.
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Why?????? I legitimately don’t understand why you’re voting Dannex. After reading him vil. After manipping his survival. Even if it ‘proves’ things about the manippers, you, as one of them, already know.
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Hey everyone’s been saying that Devo is a bad idea why are people still voting Devo Pick Burnt or Order. Those are the two shreks that make some sense. @TJ Shade can I have a vote count?
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I’m not exeing Dannex either. That hasn’t changed.
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You’re right, and I’m frustrated by that because I can’t think of what else it could be. Everyone has a billion reasons to be village-read and I don’t know what to do. James Brafin The Unknown Order Their unreasoned jump on you doesn’t make sense to me. At least I had reasons. Again, there is no situation where I’m evil. I was attacked. I pushed for both elim exes. I’m looking for reasons to shoot you because I don’t know where else to go. I can tinfoil whatever I want though, it’s not going to convince anyone. Just to be clear: The Devo exe makes zero sense assuming James is good for what he did with his actions. Devo did the same, but more so. I repeat. Zero. Sense.
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Did everyone ignore me? I feel like everyone simply ignored my post. Like I'm a 'lost cause' or something. Please, I get you disagree, but at least consider what I said instead of pushing ahead with exeing Devo. That's what I don't understand. You say James must be good because he didn't save Quinn. Well, Devotary didn't save Quinn either. In fact, they actively manipped to get Quinn exed. James did nothing.
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Ok, so here is a hopefully coherent thought jumble on our very own @James Brafin. Unlike you, Devotary hasn't really said much to analyze. Which is typically normal. And, unlike you, her actions seem villagery to me. I have reasons to believe there is one, distribution thoughts. I know that most of the time the elim team gets some vote manip. Are you really saying this? Not only did I start the entire suspicion on Quinn, push for Lotus to be killed, and get attacked, I'm bonded to a red. Archer is a red. Are you saying the elims have two reds? This is just incorrect. And you're surety of it- 'when we both flip town', 'when my suspicions are proven correct', are just weird to me. Anyway. We start off early last cycle, when the first whispers of a Lotus exe start flittering in. James begun moving things off of Lotus, almost casually. First happened here, (which was called out by Illwei) and then again right here, (the interesting thing about this one is how James brought it back to Burnt losing her power [],) and the big one right here, which supremely understates what we would get from Lotus' flip. It reeks of a casual defense- one where they're technically not village reading them. My only issue with this is that it doesn't seem like something an experienced player would do, but that can be explained away by James' vote later. Also, unrelated but I thought it was important: @EveryoneVotingGears, Lotus started a countertrain on Gears as her main suspicion, so... That seems important. Back to James. Anyway, Lotus flips Black Ajah, and now what we have is James explaining why he is clear and everyone just listening. Well, I'm here to say that it is not exclusively how it is described by James. He said- and you all said as well- basically this, first said by James: Which would be true, but it's not. Think about it. The votes at the end of C3 are presented here: ElimGrey!James knows there are two options here. The first and most obvious one is to manip away from Quinn so Dannex and Quinn both die. But, there's something else that James knows. He knows that the other Grey has been saving Dannex the entire game. If he were to manip a vote away from Quinn, it's only natural to expect that the other vote manipper does what they've done the whole game and manip Dannex. Which would exe Quinn anyway, and the vote count would show that a vote was taken off Quinn, confirming an elim Grey. And when the Greys are inevitebly outed, he'd instant;y be suspected So that would be out. Instead, ElimGrey!James knew that Quinn would likely die anyway. Even if the manip did save them, they'd likely just be exed next cycle, and again after the flip it would confirm that there is an elim Grey. So, James does the very thing he's claiming would be too risky and far-fetched for an elim to do. Now we have this situation, where James, as a Grey, has all the 'evidence' he needs to explain why he is village. He can show that he didn't save Quinn, say that letting her die would have been a bad move, but in reality it's a great move. And... I get that this is tinfoily... but it just makes sense to me. It's a low-risk gambit that effectively clears an elim at the expense at another that was already dead. What elim wouldn't go for this? If I'm right about this, I'm one hundred percent dead. Like- I'm the only one putting resistance on James' village position. If they're evil there's no way I live through the night. (That doesn't mean that if I live he's good, though, cause IKYK, and me saying this in the first place probably changes everything- but still.)
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In hindsight, I'm actually really happy with that reads list maybe that's why I was attacked. (I didn't think the reasoning on Quinn was NAI. And maybe I was right, cause she was evil!) ...We're bonded :P. Did everyone miss that part? I'm writing a James post that should drop in about an hour and will more coherently say my thoughts. So, someone else post
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*Sigh* I don’t think I’m deluded for considering all possibilities. I’ve been kind of distracted today but not that much. Manip is weird. Not Archer. He is my Aes Sedai and a Red and I doubt the elims have two. And suddenly you’re fine with Connie??? What happened to doubting the WGG???
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I don’t think I do, to be completely honest. I’m not against this. But I’d rather keep the village one if I can manage.
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^This is why I’m still voting for James. I don’t feel fine about clearing both Grey’s when the reasoning to do so came from a Grey. Also, I find it interesting Orlok continually is reading me as evil
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I only skimmed all that, but why exactly are we assuming both Greys are vil? Why couldn’t one Grey (vil) removed from Dannex because they trusted them, and one Grey (elim) to sow chaos and confusion?
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I've never really been suspicious of Burnt herself. Really just that she was bonded to Lotus. But, I think this: (Thanks, Devo) does not represent an elim!Grey's actions. I do want to look back at the other manip though. Edit: Why you? Maybe because not everyone thinks you're evil Edit2: Apparently the only thing James did was remove a vote off you C1. @James Brafin, is this accurate?
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I can and will kill suspects! To arms! Breaker! Wait, no. Breaker, James Brafin I... did? I'm pretty darn sure I've mentioned agreeing with 5 elims and one elim Grey, but if not, that's on me. And now you know. To whom it may concern: I think there are five elims, with one grey and one brown remaining!
