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Yay! Now I can just listen to this instead of rereading them myself  I was wondering what to do since I have my own reading list of books I haven't read yet, and I was planning to try to speedrun Mistborn in between those, but this will work better. Thanks!

10 minutes ago, thejopen27 said:

I think Book 4 is "Liar of Partinel". I think he finally decided to write Hoid's backstory. Everything he said about book 4 could apply to Hoid. 

"Dragonsteel" is the story of the shattering, but "Liar of Partinel" is Hoid's story

I don’t think Hoid’s origin would be released in this way- the entire point of these books is that they were lower on Brandon’s list and he happened to have two years where he could write them. Since he undoubtedly has a plan for Hoid’s origin, and it’s slated to come far later in the cosmere (sure, Dragonsteel is the Shattering, but Hoid’s origin goes hand in hand with that) I would be shocked if that were the case.

I personally like the theory that it’s Demoux (probably botched that name, sorry) or Galladon.

All new worlds :0

Halfway through the episode- I think you guys are doing an excellent job at explaining this, by the way- but I do have one (possibly stupid) question.

First, my basic understanding: Correct any of these if I'm wrong, please.

• There's Gold (on the Allomantic table), which lets you see your own past. Then there's Malatium (not on the Allomantic table), an alloy of Gold, that lets you see someone else's past. Gold Mistings can also burn Malatium, because the latter is an alloy of the first.
   
• Then we have Electrum (on the Allomantic table) which lets you see your own future. And we have the Atium/Electrum alloy (not on the Allomantic table) which lets you see someone else's future. This is what Vin and Co. was using throughout the series, just calling Atium. Electrum Mistings can also burn this Atium/Electrum alloy, which is why the supposed Atium Mistings were actually Electrum Mistings.
   
• The reason this had to be corrected at all was because pure Atium isn't an alloy of Electrum, which caused an inconsistency on the table.
   
• We don't know what pure Atium does.

Assuming all of that to be true, my question is this: Elend and the Atium (Electrum) Mistings at the end of book 3 burned away what Ruin was trying to use as a sort of body. Why did that metal have the same effect that the Electrum/Atium alloy has? Because I thought that the metal Ruin wanted for his body was pure Atium, not the alloy.

The answer very well could be that the pile of metal Elend and the Mistings burned was just the Electrum/Atium alloy, which would be convenient and probably raise a bunch of other questions. But I don't know, and I figure that someone probably does.

I'm in the camp of liking this retcon, though. I admit I didn't really even know there was a consistency problem before this episode, which probably adds to why I like it, but I think it makes sense and is more consistent all around.

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Marasi is recruited by offworlders with strange abilities who claim their goal is to protect Scadrial…at any cost.

:O.

Era 2 is probably my least favorite cosmere series, but man did I just get so much more excited 

I take back everything, the new Shard logo looks great!

14 minutes ago, Chaos said:

That's interesting! I personally like it significantly better than the current logo on the main site.

Maybe it’s just the phenomenon of being used to something  Though you’ve seen the current logo far longer than I have. I’m sure it’ll settle into my brain once it switches.

The Shard logo looks a bit clunky on the site itself, but I do like the look of it and the other two are fantastic. I imagine that fixing the look of the whole site is a work in progress, so I'm not to worried about it. Great job!

My biggest issue with Starsight (besides the delvers :P) definitely was the immediate and steep turn away from anything book one was. Skyward established itself as a space battle flight school book, on a relatively small scale when compared to the cosmere, and the nosedive into the entire rest of the galaxy was a bit of a shock for me. The worldbuilding is good, just... not that much of it.

Veil's reintegration was my favorite scene in the book and I will die on that hill as a Shallan-lover  

I like the way Brandon phrased that xD

"Just a fun little thing I'm doing with my friend."

"Who happens to have accidentally made one of the most popular games of all time."

Well, I can't really say I personally am super excited, but it's cool for Brandon and for the people who are excited so that's good.

I swear I forget about Moash's blindness until you guys mention it. Even in between comments; it just doesn't stick in my head for some reason xD

But yeah, is there an in-world reason that won't just get magically healed? Would Taravangian do that for Moash? It does seem pointless for Brandon to climactically blind Moash at the end of the book only to have him be immediately healed when we get Book 5.

Quick question that may or may not be stupid  

You were saying how there is decently strong evidence for Ishar not sustaining whatever abilities he had access to. Would that also answer your question about if Kelsier retains his Mistborn abilities, or are the two situations not similar enough?

Oooooh that was so good! Thank you guys! Perhaps the only thing better than this is that I actually could follow along and understand what you were talking about. The fact that I'm actually understanding spiritual mumbo-jumbo is exciting to me.

That said, I'm gonna dump a bunch of my thoughts, crackpot theories, hot takes, and headcanons right here in response to yours. Read it, not see it, ignore it, comment on it, whatever  

Intent/Command:

• I'm with the idea that visualization is with Intent as opposed to Command. And I'm totally with Eric in not knowing what the heck Command is, but I don't love the idea of it being like 'what the straw man does' (assuming the Intent is the visualization of what the Awakener wants the straw man to do) I don't really like the Command being the straw man actually doing it, though I'm biased because of the actual definition of the word 'command'. It doesn't fly with me that Command would be the following or carrying out of a command (lowercase on that last one.) That being said, I don't know what Command would be in that scenario.
• I really like the idea of Radiant oaths being this exact thing, it makes a lot of sense to me. 

Dawnshards:

• Of the ideas put out, I like Grace's the best, though I have to say I also don't love the whole '4 Shards for each of the 4 Dawnshards' link. Wouldn't be upset if it was true, though I don't love it.
• Stasis makes... some sense, I don't know what to think about that either.
• I am all for Grace's other theory about the Dawnshards being the sort of fragments of Adonalsium's Cognitive aspect. I really like that. It makes me wonder if the Dawnshards were separate from Adonalsium before the Shattering though, because I thought/think that they were, and don't know how this would fit into that.

The Shattering:

• My happy little headcanon of the Shattering actually held up! I'm pretty stoked about that. I'll try to explain it, revamped with the info we have now::
  • I think that the people in opposition to Adonalsium (Hoid, the Vessels, maybe others) destroyed Adonalsium with the Dawnshards. I believe the weapon in question here was simply four people (who were the Dawnshards, remember that Rysn 'is a Dawnshard', it's the same deal here) and they used the power to destroy Adonalsium. I don't know if some of the Vessels were the Dawnshards before they ascended, or if others were, but that's my headcanon.
• This headcanon includes the Dawnshards being separate from Adonalsium pre-Shattering. I think that was the case. 

Hoid and how he ties into this:

• Perhaps my biggest reach of all of this is that Hoid was one of the four Dawnshards (or Dawnshard bearers) who Shattered Adonalsium in the first place. I think the Dawnshard he had, he got from the First Gem, from the topaz, in a similar way Rysn got her Dawnshard from a mural on the wall. The Rysn sequence proves Dawnshards can be in physical objects, and I think the same is true for Hoid's with a topaz. After the Shattering, he kept the Dawnshard long enough to be affected permanently by it.

So... I think that was all I wanted to say. Thanks to all who read it, sorry I cluttered up the comments section with my major speculation. 

The Sleepless stuff is so interesting to me. Definitely my favorite part of what you guys have said so far.

One thing though... what about the Ashspren description? I feel like we are all overlooking that even though it is an important piece of info that exists, and it wasn't even mentioned  

I didn't know it would be available in ebook stores, and since I missed the kickstarter this is big news! Thank you!

Kaladin's book: Eshonai on the cover

Shallan's book: Kaladin on the cover

Dalinar's book: Jasnah on the cover

Eshonai/Venli's book: Shallan on the cover

Hmmmmmmm...

This is cool to hear! I do though wonder one thing, and have been for some time.