Elsecaller_17.5

On 1/21/2026 at 9:14 PM, Frustration said:

I was rather disappointed with El in WaT, he got a lot of build up and then did next to nothing.

I definitely think he was under utilized. I know people think WaT was too long, but I'm not in that camp. I would have loved to see more of the Listeners and Singers. The fact that he pulled out, what seems to be a Radiant, Shardblade with no explanation kills me.

23 minutes ago, NovaRay said:

The final reason I hate El is because in killing Lezian he ruined my Kaladin and lezian ship so it’s never gonna be canon which ties into reason number one of why I hate him.

2 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

Well, for example, Corundum (Ruby/Sapphire) primarily occus in metamorphic rock, which only requires heat (>150C) and pressure (100MPa). Even if Roshar has no Tectonics, it must have a molten core so there is heat, and depth brings pressure. For that matter, magma is still likely (just without an outlet to the surface) so Beryl (Emerald, Heliodor) can still exist at depth.

I do not think we can no for certain unless it is covered in the text, or we get new WoBs - but, to me, it's likely that all three could produce a Perfect Gemstone. Why would it be limited to one source? 

Best case scenario, these gemstones are forming 20 kilometers deep (according to a guy on r/geology) that seems like an extreme depth even for surgemining. They're also saying that without tectonics or vulcanism they simply couldn't get to the surface (meaning, like 1 kilometer, I think).

I've no doubt all of them exist deep within the planet. It has a magnetic field which means it has a molten core. They would form they same way they form on earth. They just wouldn't be accessible. 

I agree though, we're not going to know for certain without a WoB or book explanation.

1 minute ago, Treamayne said:

BTW, Sorry I forgot to say thank you for the Julia Set reminder. I was obviously not thinking before. I'm sorry

 

No worries, thank you for nerding out with me.

Just now, Treamayne said:

I'm not certain I understand the quandry. Adonalsium made Roshar - and made it in such a way that Investiture (light) ties to Gemstones, and that native beings actually grow their own gemstones in symbiosis with the Planet's investiture cycle.  But you do not think he also made a natural process for geologic mineral gemstones (despite a WoB impling he did) or that Radiants would have mined them? 

Sorry for my confusion.

In my mind the WoB about mining normal gemstones and the one about tectonics directly contradict each other. Maybe I need to find a geologist.

If he did make a natural process for geological gemstones I don't understand what it could be.

28 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

It does - but you are also dismissing that Surges could have accessed much deaper mines that that tech-level would normally indicate. Why do you need tectonics to move natural gemstones to the top of the crust, when you can go down as deep as needed to find what you want. And there had to be some tectonic activity in Roshar's past, or there would not be Mountain ranges today.

I'm not saying your theories are impossible, merely pointing out that you are dismissing an option without thoroughly evaluating it. 

No, you're right. I had not considered surge enabled mining (and I probably am too attached to my theory).

I will push back on the mountain thing though. I don't believe it ever had tectonics. It seems to have been created whole, mountains included. 

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Does Roshar have plate tectonics?

Brandon Sanderson

Roshar does not have plate tectonics, good question.

Questioner

Well when I met you in Orem, I was asking about frequencies. And you said it was more the shape of the plate-- The frequency. We've got no plate tectonics, we've got people who like to sing.

Brandon Sanderson

Good question. Now the weird thing that we would have is with the crem, we have to do some weird geology gymnastics, because Roshar is moving...

Roshar, the continent of Roshar, it's moving, right? As it gets weathered and things like this. Making Roshar actually work requires some really interesting scientific gymnastics. But one of them is I just didn't think plate tectonics, or even volcanoes and things, is just not something that is going to work on Roshar the way that I built it. So I just stayed away from all of that.  It's a pangaea.

Questioners

Is the pangaea built up of crem?

Brandon Sanderson

 It's a pangaea built up of crem.

Rubix

Over a long time--

Brandon Sanderson

Well no, because it was created at first.

Bystander

And then crem was on top of it?

Brandon Sanderson

...The whole idea that this is a fractal-- The whole point of that is, somebody built this. Somebody built this using mathematics that you know. They said "Oh. Boom. Bing!" and grew themselves a continent.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/41/#e7237

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's this WoB that I don't know how to reconcile with normal gemstones. 

Edit: just found this one. It seems to support the idea that Adonalsium just put them there. My least favorite solution, but I have to admit a plausible one.

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Neuxue

Does Roshar have a magnetic field?  

Brandon Sanderson

Um, Roshar, magnetic field, yes, it does. Yes. Yeah it does  

Neuxue

You said at one point that it is all one plate--  

Brandon Sanderson

Yes.

Neuxue

--that there's no tectonic activity. What is the interior of the planet like?  

Brandon Sanderson

That’s a good question... You're not going to get an answer on that one. It's a weird planet, let's just say that. It's a pretty weird planet

Neuxue

Are the diamonds naturally occurring?  

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, but most are going to be-- They aren't-- all gemstones are naturally occurring, but most of, many or most of, the gems they are getting they are getting from creatures that grow them, not from the rock. Though there are mines on Roshar, you just have to-- most of them are on the leeward side of mountains, where the crem isn't being deposited.

Neuxue

So, diamond mines are about tectonics--

Brandon Sanderson

It was a created planet, keep that in mind.

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1 hour ago, Jult said:

Interesting ideas. I do think they are likely manmade or at least partially manmade. Naturally occurring just seems too improbable.

I could see several of the Surges being useful for the creation of perfect gemstones.

We haven't seen much Division in action, but the RPG says it can be used for "elaborate etching or shaping". And Dustbringers tend to enjoy engineering and tinkering. I could see the potential for using very precise Division to eliminate imperfections in a gemstone.

Transformation could maybe be used to simply convert some stone into a perfect gemstone. Though a small note there is that Soulcasters (the ancient fabrials - not the people) are allegedly unable to create polestones. TWoK:

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Though that rule might not apply to Radiants. Or Shallan could just be an unreliable narrator. 

And then there's Progression. Most gemstones on Roshar are actually gemhearts; which are body parts.. So, I wonder if Progression can be used to 'heal' a gemheart to resemble a more perfect version of itself?

I hadn't even considered other surges, that's a really interesting idea. It does seem that Division could be that delicate according to Szeth, and Transformation would make sense with why the Elsecaller's took possession of Honor's Drop. Progression would be trickiest, but Magnified Ones do use the surge in a why more akin to bio engineering. 

23 minutes ago, Treamayne said:

You are missing the most likely source - option 1a. WoB:

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Questioner

We know that finer gemstones like the King's Drop can hold Stormlight longer and encases other things that I won't say because of spoilers. Is that because of the craftsmanship, connecting their Identity in the Cognitive Realm?

Brandon Sanderson

Excellent question. "You can hold Stormlight in gemstones, and the more perfect a gemstone the more Stormlight it'll hold. Is the craftsmanship required to create it part of the reason why?" And no, it's actually the crystalline structure. Fewer flaws in the crystalline structure means fewer places for the Stormlight to wiggle out.

Questioner

Do gemstones exist naturally on Roshar? Or are they all gemhearts?

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, but you gotta dig through lots of layers of cremstone to get to them, so most of the time you're getting them from gemhearts.

New York Comic Con 2022 (Oct. 8, 2022)

The most likely source is Mined Gemstones - not Gemhearts. The "perfect" part of a Perfect Gemstone is the crystalline structure - and such exists through mining, not a biologic process. Just because modern Rosharans rarely mine their gems (due to 7+ millennia of Crem build-up) does not mean the Desolations and Epochs were similarly devoid of Gem Mines (back when all the known Perfect Gemstones were originally found and named).

It seems to be tied to (Mistborn spoilers):

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Metallic structure and alloy purity - because Allomantic metals are also tied to the molecular structure and "bad metals" are those with impurities - just as normal gemstones are those with flaws in the crystalline structure. WoB

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PhantomMonstrosity (paraphrased)

Do synthetic gemstones work in fabrials too?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

Synthetic gemstones should work.  It's a combination of color and chemical structure that's important. Just like metals from off Scadrial would work for an Allomancer, synthetic gemstones should work.

Steel Ministry report (Aug. 20, 2014)

 

Hope that helps

I've seen this idea, and I just don't think it's possible with the geology of Roshar. Gemstone mines, seem to me to be, places where a lot of animals died and you can now dig up the gemhearts that are buried in crem. Several Polestones require the immense heat and pressure deep within a planet to form. Roshar has no tectonics, so they would never come anywhere near the surface.

Even IRL not all gemstones we mine up have a "perfect lattice structure." Many imperfections and impurities form in most gemstones.

Granted, I'm not a geologist and would be eager to read anything about how a normal gemstone could reach Roshar's surface, but I think this may be a case where Brandon didn't think his answer all the way through. I know, cardinal sin, I'm relying on WoBs and dismissing another one. I just really don't think naturally occurring gemstones are possible without tectonics. 

Edit: I'm not trying to say you're absolutely wrong and so is Brandon. I just don't understand how it could happen given that the cosmere typically follows real world physics and chemistry to a fairly strong degree.

Full disclosure, this is a repost from my reddit, but I feel like the discussion could go further here.

Broadly speaking, I see 3 main ways they could be formed. They could be natural formations, Shardic creations, or Human or Singer developed technology. I'll tell you up front I'm in camp 3, but I'll spend a little bit of time going into why I don't like the other two options. 

The first is natural formations. Every once in a while the perfect conditions line up and a Greatshell grows a perfect gemstone. I find this **extremely** implausible, but it is closely tied to option 1.5 Shardic offshoot. They could be "natural" creations. The Atium at the Pits of Hathsin are "natural". The invested sunlight of Taldain is "natural". Aether spores on Lumar are "natural". I find this **even more** implausible for a quite particular reason. Odium's perpendicularity is under the Shattered Plains. If perfect gemstones were cropping up around perpendicularities then we would have seen them in the Chasmfiends throughout the first half of the series.

Addendum: the most pushback I got on reddit was about why I thought naturally occurring ones were so implausible. To clarify a bit more, we know that cut gems hold more light. A better cut gem holds more light. Gemhearts are notably bulbous. Gemhearts and perfect gemstones seem to be on the opposite ends of a spectrum.

Possibility two, they could be direct Shardic creations. I think this is actually very plausible, especially considering Melishi's perfect gem and Honor's direct involvement with Bo-Ado-Misharm's imprisonment. It's also boring. "Honor did it," is just the end of the conversation. I don't deny the plausiabilty of this; I just don't think it will lead to an interesting discussion.

That leaves us with Human/Singer Invention, and the RPG gave us just the clues I needed to start thinking about this. Extremely skilled practitioners of Cohesion can manipulate more than stone. They can manipulate any inorganic solid matter. Unbound Cohesion states, "You can use Cohesion and its talents not only on stone, but on any solid material that isn’t alive, Invested, or infused with Stormlight." To me it seems to explicitly include uninvested gemstones.

There's also True Stoneshaping which makes more intricate formations easier. "When you use Cohesion to shape an object or surface, you can automatically reshape it to your will without using additional actions or time. For example, you can instantly raise or lower elevation, form walls or pillars, create or remove difficult terrain, or create intricate shapes or images."

We are talking about utter masters of Cohesions individuals who could shape gemstones more granularly then the finest jeweler imaginable. Cohesion is a cousin of microkinesis. A sufficiently skilled user could manipulate objects atom by atom. I believe they could create a perfect gemstone. Cohesion can be accessed by Stonewards, Willshapers, and Deepest Ones. There is one of these groups that I think is particularly likely to be the creators. This is largely speculation, but it seems reasonable that a perfect gemstone would manifest differently than a normal gemstone in the Cognitive Realm. Willshapers also have access to Transportation and the ability to peer into Shadesmar. If there is some kind of "click" in the Cognitive Realm, a Willshaper could see it.

If only Willshapers can create them it even explains why they are so remarkably rare. Most people would mass produce these marvels of technology, but Willshapers, recognizing that they are also a perfect prison. Would only create them with the upmost consideration, thought, and desperation.

That's all my initial thoughts and below are some WoBs that add to the discussion.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/504/#e15812

This one keys into the perfect crystalline structure and, to me, fully rules out natural occurrences, but I do think Cohesion, a cousin to microkinesis, could force that perfection. Later in it the questioner does ask about natural gemstones, but Brandon just says that gemstones in general can form naturally, not perfect ones. I acknowledge the ambiguity though.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/445/#e14211

This one seems to vaguely support the ideal of synthetic perfect gemstones.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/144/#e2702

Here's a little more on synthetic works in general.

A couple miscellaneous points now. Jasnah mentions that she thinks there should be more around. This could be because she's an Elsecaller and had a radically different philosophy than a Willshaper.

There do seem to be a lot of perfect gemstones in Shadesmar. Maybe in the lead up to the Recreance is when the Willshapers realized what perfect prisons they had created. Maybe one caught wind of Melishi's plan and shared with the other Willshapers. Then they dropped the perfect gemstones off in Shadesmar with the Spren. Trusting them more than humanity.

We know that Kalak was involved with the capture of Bo-Ado-Mishram. Maybe he made Melishi's perfect heliodor. The epigraph of chapter 30 WoR could be support for this idea. "[Melishi] could make no specific account of his process; it was related to the very nature of the Heralds and their divine duties, an attribute the Bondsmiths alone could address." It could be specifically the Herald Kalak and his mastery of Cohesion and Transportation. I'm not 100% sure of the timeline here, in fact, I'm pretty confident he didn't have his Honorblade. Maybe Kalak passed the knowledge onto Melishi and then Melishi to the Willshapers.

5 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said:

I just feel like the WoBs provided by @Underwater_Worldhopper sort of crush that theory.

I would be more inclined to believe that the Roseite was treated as uninvested if it wasnt for the fact that investiture is directly needed to sustain it even after it is formed. Is Wax not invested when simply using the minimum steel needed for steel sight since he isn't actively pushing?  

The need for investiture to maintain it proves that it is invested even after grown. I can't speak for how invested it is but I was under the impression that the roseite was still an extension of the Aether through the Aetherbound as more of a catalyst which would lend it to being highly invested even if it only requires a small amount of water / investiture to maintain. 

All that and I really don't think it would be a bad thing for the cosmere to see some more armor options that can stand up to the instakill machine that trivializes 140 hours worth of fantasy reading that is shardblades.  

It takes investiture to move it, not sustain it. And we might be reading different wobs but the one I'm seeing specifically says that zephyr spores created normal air, not invested.

Dawnsingers are just Singers who predate the arrival of humanity and Odium https://coppermind.net/wiki/Dawnsinger.

I'm going to voice the dissent. Even with purified Dor the battle goes to the shardbearer. The crystal itself doesn't seem to be invested so a Shardblade would cut it. The shard bearer then has two options. A simple lunge through the chest of the golem to twin twinsoul ends it. If twinsoul cam make a golem w ok th a deeper chest then the length of the Shardblade it will take longer, but it took an entire jar for the golem and a second to sustain it so the shardbearer just needs to lop of a limb, forcing twinsoul to replace it, like 6 times to reduce the armor to nothing.

The only way twinsoul wins is if he kills the shardbearer before they figure out what is happening, but he isn't going to have a fast win against shardplate.

10 hours ago, Treamayne said:

From the quiz summary (applicable sections bolded)

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Stoneward

I Will Be There When Needed

Stoneward oaths focus on team dynamics, on learning to work with others, and on being there for those who need them. They put the interests of others before their own, and will not bend their Ideals for the sake of convenience.

Stonewards are the infantry and ground troops of the Radiants and are renowned as their finest soldiers. (A title that, on occasion, the Windrunners dispute.) They tend to attract those who are most interested in warfare, prowess with weapons, or athletics of any sort. They like a challenge, and in times of peace are seen engaging in (and running) various sporting events of both a military and non-military nature. Many enjoy the outdoors, and you’ll find exploration enthusiasts among them, as well as those who just like the fresh air. They tend to be known for their can-do attitudes and for taking on enormous projects (sometimes more than they can handle). However, most agree that the primary attribute of the Stonewards is their dependability. Though sometimes gregarious, they are never flighty. If a Stoneward is your friend, they will be there for you, and that is a core tenet of their Order—to be there when they are needed. Another key attribute is their ability to take a difficult situation with few resources and make something better of it. Though not known as inventors or creators, they are good at improvising solutions to problems in the moment.

Personally, I think the Blackthorn might learn harder toward Stoneward than WoK Dalinar. I also think Dalinar would not have leaned very far toward Elsecaller until Post-Oathbringer (he didn't attibute self growth until his heel-realization from reliving his returning memories).

Frankly, If Dalinar were not a Bondsmith - I'm not sure he would have become a Radiant at all. Blackthorn Dalinar probably had a small chance before Evi's death. After Evi's death, I'm not sure he was fit for any order until he was Cultivated. By then, already middle-aged, he was much more about Leadership than a typical Stoneward; too little about personal growth to be an Elsecaller - but possibly could have become a Dustbringer:

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Dustbringer

I Will Seek Self-Mastery

Dustbringer oaths were themed toward responsibility. They were led to understand that the powers they used needed to be properly channeled, much as their own desires and wills needed proper form and shape. As a Dustbringer moved through the oaths, they were taught greater powers of destruction—and are one of the only orders where their abilities weren’t all available at the beginning, but instead were delivered slowly, as they made the proper oaths. Each oath led to a greater understanding of power, the nature of holding it, and the associated responsibility.

Dustbringers—though they sometimes objected to the common name for their order, preferring instead to be called Releasers—are living contradictions among the Knights Radiant. They believe great power requires a strong will to control it. They often attract tinkerers who like to dig down into the shape and soul of a thing, break it, and see what makes it work. However, their oaths are themed toward control—that they need to be able to control, contain, and channel the terrible power inside them. They tend to object to those who focus only on their destructive sides, as they argue that in order to create, one must understand the pieces of the thing they are trying to make. They don’t see themselves as being about destruction—though their powers are the most destructive of any order of Knights Radiant. They instead see their nature as being about control, precision, and understanding. In the Knights Radiant, they tend to act as the equivalent of artillery in a modern army. If you want a large swath of land destroyed or burned, you call in the Dustbringers. However, they were also often used as sappers, engineers, and strategists.

They attract anyone who likes to take things apart, who likes to know how things work. They also attract those who are a little foolhardy at times—brave soldiers who see themselves as containing and controlling terrible destruction so it won’t get out of hand and hurt innocents.

Blackthorn Dalinar was already his own army's artillery equivalent even before he acquired Shards. His desire for control and understanding was seen as he progresses from Front-Line warrior to leading the border skirmishes. From Soldier to Tactician to Strategist, Blackthorn Dalinar's combat merged with WoK Dalinar's leadership and sense of responsibility could have led him down this path had he not visited the Nightwatcher's Valley, but gotten his alcoholism under control on his own while at the Shattered Plains (as he considers in OB Ch 114):

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He trudged through the darkness, and suddenly felt stupid. What was he doing here? Chasing a pagan superstition while the rest of the highprinces gathered to punish Gavilar’s killers? He should be at the Shattered Plains. That was where he’d change himself, where he would go back to the man he’d been before.

 

The biggest thing that makes me say he is not a Stoneward is the description of them working in teams. Dalinar is notoriously independent insisting on taking on any challenges himself, often by himself.

Though he isn't anymore, in his past he was incredibly unreliable and flighty. While that has changed, reliability is hardly a core attribute of his.

Edit: I think the biggest thing that highlights this is his refusal to even tell people his plan to deal with Odium at the end of RoW. "Don't worry about it, I'll do it by myself," is not very stoneward.

What would happen if Nightblood was wielded to kill someone who is pretty objectively not evil. Directly against his intent.

Maybe they are just incredibly virtuous. They've made mistakes, but nothing that's evil. Dedicated their lives to helping people, impacting personally the lives of 100's and making systems that help 10,000's Attentively, someone who's morally neutral, nothing that great or terrible. To take that to the extreme, they are totally innocent. Popped out of the womb 5 minutes ago.

Let's run with the last because I think it's the most solid. Someone picks up Nightblood and stabs a baby. I can thing 4 things happening.

1. It fails. Nightblood doesn't cut. Baby is fine.

2. It backfires into the wielder in spectacular fashion.

3. It works but Nightblood is seriously physically, cognitively, and/or spiritually damaged. 

4. Some combination of the above.

Thoughts on the issue?

22 hours ago, Marabout said:

Nah, Stoneward

And that is the most popular gut reaction I've seen. But, why? What makes him a Stoneward?

First let's comb through the elsecaller entry from the radiant quiz. Lots of stuff that's applicable. 
https://www.brandonsanderson.com/the-ten-orders-of-knights-radiant/
Though typically scholars "the Order is open to many different types, so long as they want to improve themselves . . . They seek self-improvement and personal betterment in their lives, but aren’t limited to one specific theme or set of Ideals." That's Dalinar to a T.
Furthermore, "They have their share of scholars, and often a large number of theologians, but also attract those who are interested in leadership." Dalinar (though he would deny being a theologian) fits both of those secondary traits.
"They are good at encouraging others, but some are known to set their sights upon the things they want and then seize them." Another two check marks. "they tend to be among the best tacticians, and are logistical geniuses." Though we haven't seen him deal too much with logistics his time as highprince of war highlights his tactical genius. 
Lastly, he has already sworn the second ideal of the Elsecallers. You might be thinking "what, we don't even know what it is!" I disagree. The Elsecaller oaths are similair to the Skybreakers in pattern and we already know the core philosophy of the order. "I will reach my potential." And he swore it during the battle of Thaylen Field. "If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man."

1 minute ago, offer said:

There is both the regular matter-energy equivalent and another investiture-energy equivalence.

So the equation should be E = Mc^2 = I *k 

For some constant k.

But what about invested matter. It seems that invested matter has more fundamental energy. Could it just be E = Mc^2+I and we need a way to quantity I?

First, this isn't going to make much sense unless your caught up with the The Lost Metal Release chapters including today's. Second, I am a amateur physicist at best; I've completed a (singular) college physics class.

So Wax just invented nuclear bombs. Fun. But good old E=mc² isn't going to quite do that for us with investiture in the mix. Harmony has confirmed that we need to get an I in there somewhere. To my mind the I has to modify the m. c² is a constant and isn't going to be affected, energy is the output. The two simplest results would be

E = MI c²

or

E = M^I c²

I could also see E = MsubI C² allowing for a far more complicated relationship between M and I.

People who are smarter than me please tear this to pieces. I've put this in the cosmere spoiler area in case you want to involve RoW physics somehow.

It's been forever since I last posted, but let's go. An extension of a previous post a made way back when, now with new arguments!

So, feurchemical savatism. Impossible right? Savantism occurs when the spiritweb is overloaded with investure and feurchemy only gives you back investure you naturally had (less even because of the diminishing return problem) so theres no way to become a savant. Wrong.

There is a mechanic that allows the spiritweb to be overloaded with feurchemical investure and we are actually introduced to it all the way make in TFE. Compounding.

No before I go forward I want to state why I think this is true. Because it makes sense. Savantism is a cosmere constant. Its seen (minor SA)

The overload of power results in savantism.

I would posit we have actually seen two feurchemical savants. TLR and Miles. I'll go over Miles first. Savantism has a give and take. In our one canonical metalborn example of savantism, Spook, we see the benefit of huge increased power and the detriment of absolute reliance. Miles we see the same thing. He uses so much but never once do we see him consume gold with the express purpose of compounding. This could be an oversight, but I suspect he is just hugely efficient. His savantism allows much more power output than Sazed's x10 prediction. He also doesn't feel pain which I could argue equally is a benefit and detriment. I believe Wax says at one point (correct me if I'm wrong) that he would also just drop dead if he ever stopped tapping. Certainly a detriment. Above all else though I propose his main detriment is is delusion. Even when stripped of all his metalminds he truly believes he is invincible. Miles is anything but stupid; I don't believe he would think that without a magical effect.

TLR is next. He is theoretically a savant x33. Every power plus Atium. But it is atium savantism, if I am correct, that he definitely has. He has to do it constantly for 1000 years and every year he has to dedicate more than before. I don't think it would be possible for him to maintain without increased efficiency from savantism. Much like Miles I believe his detriment is his delusion of immortality. The man is a genius (likely due to his compounded memory and mental speed). He shouldn't have fallen into so simple a trap of being taken out by the very power who made him who he was. Investure induced madness is where he fell.

So what are your thoughts?

On 3/4/2022 at 10:34 AM, starman2995 said:

"I am a cup"
"But you could be a tulip"
"I am a cup!"

Lmao, stop trolling my posts, Eric. Is that all you do here?

20 hours ago, AerionBFII said:

May have just been the inflection in Brandon’s voice   but the ‘Kal’ seemed so forlorn makes me think he’s gone. The guys an actor. 

That's interesting, I read it, I didn't listen.

11 hours ago, Jesters Armed said:

There is this bit in the story:

" Nomad sighed.  He expected a wisecrack from Auxiliary, but the spren stayed silent as well "

I believe this supports the opinion of another poster that Auxiliary just has this "Sigzil is my somewhat mediocre squire" attitude.

But he could just be saying spren as a general term. Any cognitive entity can be referred to as a spren, and as a Rosharan native Sigzil would be likely to do that.

22 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

But no, the talk about oaths and things definitely implies Aux is a Radiant spren of some kind, probably an Honorspren but maybe an Inkspren or Reacher, because of the Skipping. I think Auxiliary as a name is interesting anyway since it literally means what Aux does (or is supposed to do) which isn't a spren naming convention I'm aware of.

What kills that for me is that Auxiliary is not an Honorspren name. It doesn't follow the same sort of pattern.

This little bit does not bode well for SA5. We might be looking at some really nasty stuff for our friends.

37 minutes ago, Frustration said:

OH MY GOSH!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

@Chaos you were right I totally get why this is your favorite.

I just AHHHHH!

When I realised that Sigil had Hoid's Dawnshard I litterally screamed.

I am so hyped right now I just can't.

Apparently Shardblades can become Invisible so that's cool.

Right about what? And are y'all as confused as I am? Sigzil a full world hopper, better traveled than STORMING HOID, seems to have held and lost a Dawnshard, something happened to his spren, is Aux his spren or the remnants of the Dawnshard, how is the Spren still around if he broke his oaths, what combination of the "Torment," broken oaths, ans a pseudo-nahel bond are we dealing with!

3 hours ago, Eternal Khol said:

- does Sigzil now have the same affliction as Hoid? Using weapons/fighting isn't something he seems to be able to do

- is Auxiliary a deadeye?!?! Or "revived" deadeye

Because of that first thing I don't think Auxiliary is a deadeye, certainly not from an honor spren based on the name. I'm betting he used to be/hold a Dawnshard and Aux is the remnant there of. This leaves the question of where did his spren go!