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Yes. Some of them had goat legs, others do not. Yet the attribute people prayed to them for was healthy livestock.

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By that time Roshar was essentially human. Though admittedly we know very little. Well, their effectiveness as an organization goes down with the individual latitude they have in such matters. This is exceedingly unlikely. They openly discussed their oaths and each others progression. The ancient Knights were not stupid. They must have analyzed their oaths. It is extremely likely that they knew exactly what they were going into. Yes, but they have an organizational role, from which the oaths are derived. ? He hated Elhokar. But then he hated every aristocrat. Elhokar wasn't innocent. No. Sides do exist. It is true that the membership in them is arbitrary. You like in a pride of lions. Nevertheless people have conflicts and the way to win involves organizing in groups and working together within them. In other words, taking sides. A windrunner protects independent of personal antipathy. Political empathy is another question. The conflict is between Honor & Cultivation vs. Odium. It is not a human conflict inherently. Humans even switched sides. The KR are an emulation of the Heralds who served Honor in the achievement of his political goals, which coincided with theirs. That does not change that they need to realize that their cause is a political goal. In general or in literature? We are seeing an infanilization which wants to press any and every conflict into a fight between good and evil. Literature, especially fantasy, is just emerging from that, yet people want to shove it back into an era of incredibly good heroes and villains who kill just to decorate their lair with skulls. That desire is foolish. Conflict, which is necessary in a story, arises from clashing interests, which leads to people taking sides.

Replication of old work. Talking about knowing AonDor as such is not very sensible. It contains subtasks that are losely to not at all connected. Theoretically you need not even be an Elantrian to design a complex aonic array. Rarely but probably not independently. It is possible that Arelon has ebtered a period of frequent quakes. Yes, it can be fixed, but you need a surveying service, reporting changes in and then you need to build. If any Dakhor monk had been near the new chasm line, Elantris would have been doomed. What happens once can much likelier happen again. One more revolution to be supported in Fjordell? Which costs money and only defends on you. Trade is a niece way to get rich. But it also adds an angle of attack enemies can use. Hence you need to find a way to harm your enemy that works without defeating that Armada. The historical analog you would be looking at in this case is Napoleon's continental blockade. That didn't work, but Teod has no Selish equivalent of a New World to trade with. For a time. But there is always an opposition. Against stuff in your food? Or a venomous animal in your bed chamber? Or one of the ladies in the establishment you are just visiting? You go for the weaknesses of your enemies. Elantrians are not soldiers.

But not the theory behind it. I am sue Wyrn is waiting for the next earth quake. And the next time he won't wait ten years. There will be those in Elantris who will ask the hard question: Are we safe on this world while the Fjordell Empire exists? Being stacked like fire wood on your own pyre is not an experience you want to repeat. But can you trust the common people now? What about Jin Do? Well, no. Or repeating myself: for whom? In Arelon, sure. Teod? They are a trading nation. What good is Elantris if you cannot export Elantrian stuff again? Hence the obvious question, how can the Fjordell Empire hurt them? Obvious answer, a trade embargo and pirates paid to prey on their shipping. A foreigner, non Elantrian? She can run Arelon. In fact she may be better at this than Raoden, but Elantris itself? During the Reod you got life boat politics. They obeyed out of fear. That fear is gone. They will want a council or something. Poison, arrow to the head in an ambush, arson, ... Then there is hostages. Raoden has a muggle wife and child. The majority will have immediate family. The enemy has a monastery specialized on assassination. This is a problem.

That I would take to refer to aging only. We know for a fact that they can get sick and die from that. Indicating that, if not for the Reod, Elantrians would need to eat.

That I don't understand. It is zero anyway, isn't it? Do you know that you want to modernize? The empasize would be on Elantris itself, wouldn't it? How do you keep the countryside populated? They don't even have running water. Do you want a population you can quickly mobilize for war? How many famous engineers and scientists do you know? How many artists, actors and athletes? I suspect the ratio to be the same among Elantrians. Even more so, considering that many of the them will be artisans. If you drive peasants off the land, even more of them. Is that desirable? Don't you want Elantrians to learn a marketable skill, respectively one that is beneficial to the community like healing, making supplies or aonic scholarship? You will have to provide public services that need Elantrians as workers: Defense, education and health car. A logical solution would be to go to a head tax and take labor as a substitute.

Devious. If I asked Brandon how old hidden pirate gold is, would he tell me how long ago it was found, it was hidden or stolen in the first place. In other words can we assume that Seons were available from that time on, or did Elantrians discover them at a later date, long after their creation? Not really. The math works for the generalized problem of picking out of pool and getting doubles. For a given likelihood and sample size you can also compute a pool size. For a pool of size 365 probabilty of hitting a doubble is 99.9%. But we can reverse the question. For a probabilty of, let's say, 95% of picking a double with 8 (7 + 1) picks, how large is the pool?

Did you mean aon Ala? Yes. But that does not affect the economy of Elantris. The question of how this is organized still remains. We know that the nobles are tasked with distribution. But what exactly does that mean? Does Elantris provide a constant stream of staple food? Or is this limited to emergencies? That looks like a political decision to me. What would be the implications? Do they want to, though? Eventually most people will go for some kind of artistic, scientific or philantropical calling. However, I dare predict that the artists will be the largest group. You can argue that. So will the king run restaurants for Elantrians? If not, what do Elantrians, who like for example music, pay for those meals? Right. Maybe we should look at the share of the people who go into STEM fields or medicine among our student population, if given a choice. A minority. Do you tell people who would like to research and study Svordish literature to go and do something else, more relevant to the world? And if they disagree, how do you make them? Neither is there a pressing need. Elantris needs healers. But they had enough of them. New Elantris initially will not. So how do you encourage people to learn? Suppose you are king of New Elantris, how do you tax?

Other Surgebinders have shown a level of control that seems incompatible with needing to handle every detail, namely Malata burning the symbol into the table and Shallan showing every single hair. If you, for example, burn a piece of metal, you'll decrease entropy. Surely entropy would allow you to turn everything into unbound atoms. But they can also burn stuff. Now this may be a subsequent reaction with atmospheric oxygen, but it may not.

Sorry, this was not intended as a challenge. I am looking for lists as complete as possible. As is transport within Elantris. If you are looking at this from a moral perspective, doubtlessly. Practically likely, no. Elantrians are not saints (and some will be plain stupid). Most will rather do art or scholarship or go for outright pleasure. And you want volunteers for medicine. A botched aon can do too much damage during healing. And it is a city which needs to function. People need to eat. They are people. Would I personally value medicine, aonic scholarship or research into natural science more? Yes. Do I expect more than a minority to pursue them? No. People are people. Not us. Each other. And I admit, I am not going to say that being a cook is worse than being, say, a sculptor or a singer. So let's explore that. Their scarcities are different.

I think we should explore this also, because it poses even more unique challenges than the economy. First of all, will there be crime? Yes, we'd kidding ourselves if we assumed otherwise. They may be demigods, but they are not saints. Nor do they grow up without scarcity. Sure, no sane person would break into a house to steal food or money, but there is still conflict. And not everybody in Elantris can be an Elantrian. At a minimum there must be children. (Or parents - a fascinating topic of its own) unique objects, like original paintings can still be stolen personal dislikes sex crimes But will there be a police force? This is not obvious. Ancient Rome had none. They had a force of watchmen against fire and stuff, but no police force. Actually I doubt that there is a genuine police force, as there is a core issue for law enforcement among Elantrians. How do you arrest an Elantrian? Short of personal supervision 24/7 this looks pretty much impossible to me. A court system, however, looks totally doable by aonic means. They even have one that makes the guilty feel pain. But then comes the core issue. What do you do after that? How do you jail an Elantrian? What else would you do? Fine them - that works, but is probably inadequate for more serious stuff. And what if they have no money? You can go to systems like public shunning. But at some point, what if they just don't give a rust? The Shaod can take anybody, hence you will get some pretty hardened criminals eventually. You could execute them. But that is a bit excessive. Now that leads me to an ugly conclusion: corporal punishment. There is a whipping post somewhere in Elantris. Yes, I know, but what is the alternative?

Do you have a list including that one? Yes, that will do externally. In fact it also seems to require physical contact. But that is doable and simpler than having to draw it from scratch. I see demand and scarcity. We have a market. We even have a differentiated market. If you want to eat something really new, you will need a human cook preparing an individual meal. At the very end of the scale, you can get staple foods for free. And there is a middle range with aonic templates. Agains, I see economy of scale.Personal transport is quite cheap for Elantrians. Restaurants should be booming. Not every Elantrian can cure cancer. In fact, only a minority can do so. You should let them concentrate on it and provide for their other needs. Economy. Economy of scale. Making more food of the same kind at the same place is much cheaper for Elantrians. More reasons to have restaurants. If an aon is needed often and can be used without customisation, you will not draw it. You'll have it on template. If you are talking about the general public of muggels, yes. But they can cook themselves. If you are talking about Elantrians inside Elantris, no, this is not an issue. They can teleport. Only the distance to the next teleport facility matters. No need to distribute stuff, if you really want a service. You want to eat. On summary it looks to me like Elantris does have an economy. But it is different from a conventional economy and there ist a vast gap between the external and internal economy. And I wonder what currencies they used.

After ten years or longer? With otherwise divine powers? As already mentioned, we know little about the administration of Classical Elantris other than that it existed and appointed non-Elantrian officials in Arelon. Presumably those were paid. Technically, yes. But what does that mean? AonDor is special compared to other magic systems of the Cosmere that you need no idea what you are doing. If the Aon has a correct shape there will be an effect. You need one of them once per complex Aon. Then he can write it down. And the effort goes way down. In the end it is just a shape. Any culture that can pour metal can duplicate shapes. And Aons made out of wire do work. Aons are like software. If you have it on a DVD you can copy it, even if you do not understand it. Not really. Aons make quantity neigh irrelevant. Quality is extremely costly. Aons set a price ceiling on any foodstuff you have templates for. Elantris still has an economy. But not a classic economy. In fact our most modern economies are closer to it than classical industrial economies. You talk, well communicate, to the soul of the transformed object. The personality and knowledge of the operator is important. Aons, however, are repeatable. If the Aon has the exact same shape, it will work the same way. And there are ways to ensure that. See the teleport plates. Not really. Only if you spaced the teleport places in an irregular grid. You could for example use a circle and space them at regular angles (that is mathematically equivalent to using polygons). Then you need one pattern for each distance in steps around the circle, but the rest is trigonometry and pouring metal plates. If you use concentric circles, you will need one set per circle and an additional set for hopping between adjacent circles. Problem solved. Mass production.

Then why has no Fjordell immigrant ever been taken? Surely some of them considered themselves Elantrian.

That is nice for those people who provide their own entertainment. What if you'd like to see a play? The actors may play for the love of the art, but who sweeps the floor and cleans the toilets? The administration of Elantris may reimburse the healers. Or let them deduct the time from taxes. Make is an ambiguous verb in that regard. You can see in Raoden's masquerade that you can draw Aons you could never hope to understand or develop. Moreover, you can activate somebody else's Aon, if it is in material form, as the teleport plates tell us. Debateable. There may also be 'Aonic cooks' who make templates for full meals. It would be an interesting market. You might indeed eat something tasty. But with no variety. Good point. But you still lose the income from years of rising prices. Yes. Though that may be possible. If you can make grain, why would any plant as such be a problem? That is an interesting question. Is there an Aon for grain? What do you get if you just use that, without modifiers. (Roshar) Raoden needed the distance and the direction. And he encoded that directly into the Aon. At least for teleportation we know that it works strictly by relative coordinates in the simple case. If you put the teleport stations at regular places in the city. you can cover most of the jumps with mass produced plates.

Now, at first glance the notion is preposterous. Yet a roughly humanoid figure is animated the equivalent of a Divine Breath is used (something must keep the Fused out of the Beyond) it moves it gains perception a spirit is inserted just as in case of the Returned

If you are referring to basic needs, that seems totally accurate. But what about entertainment? Were the Elantrians payed for healing though? Did the healers work because they were noble and nice or did they get some reward or recognition or both? This is well and good. But it eliminates most farmers. And New Elantris will need services. Armed forces, a geological service, spies ... These people need to be paid. Raoden makes grain with no training. They did not try it. Nor would you notice poisons on a Reod Elantrian. But yes, you need cooks. A plate any Elantrian can then use. AonDor turns everything into information, economically speaking. The development of a complex Aon can be arbitrarily hard. But once it is done, you can write it down or, even better, make molds. That is, it matters very little whether you make one copy of an object or thousands by use of Aons. Which opens up an obvious way of taxing Elantrians. Either you learn and perform some Aons useful to the public or you will be an activator for some hours per period.

The Shaod takes Dulas in the north of their native country.

Seons can either be splinters or creations of AonDor. How do you reconcile these hypotheses? If they arose from splintering Devotion they as a species must be as old as the Dor, even if individual Seons have a limited life span. Generalized birthday problem.

New Elantris will have to be different from Classical Elantris. And the world has changed during the Reod. The leadership of Elantris is operating under certain constraints. Shu-Dereth is an overt enemy now There are no experienced Elantrians (But presumably Seons of such people) Elantris has a known vulnerability now some people will remember the massacre of the Elantrians So some questions: Is Eventeo still a viable king? What is to be done about the Duladen Republic? Support the rebels? Trade - that is a tough one. Whom do you trade with, if not the Derethi lands? The failure quota during the battle of Teoras was unacceptable. Does Elantris need a militia with regular training? How does Elantris organize itself? Raoden does not fit the mold of an absolute monarch. Does Arelon need a secret police? Raoden may not think so, but some of his people will remember how the Elantrians were killed.

Apparently there is no easy way to simply duplicate something. If AonDor were a programming language, I would say that its IO primitives are lacking in input capabilities.

That is still not a lot. But we know at least that the variation among their aons is large enough to make using them as names practical. Yet you do necessarily learn that the aon exists, don't you? Hence, if the Seons predate AonDor, there is a basic stock of Aons known to exist. Indeed you can make some statistical conclusions even from that. You can conclude that the number o aons on Seons is not trivial. Right. So unless they were incredibly stupid, aons on Seons are known to them. Right, but what did the Elantrians think about the topic? Did they divide aons into Seonic and advanced aons?

That is about cutting. Synthesis requires some chemistry. It is not difficult (except for diamond), but you need to understand what they are, chemically speaking. If you understad that, soulcasting the raw materials and heating by fabrial would give you an advantage.

Can we conclude that Shard Plate would not protect you from emotional allomancy from the effect that the Thrill had on people in Plate? Would it protect you from a Leecher or shield you against a Nicroburst?