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1. Well, he literally becomes a god by the end of it. So I don’t know what to tell you. I mean you can go on and on about divinity not being a theme but you’re just wrong. I would agree with you but then we both be wrong. I mean, you can say he’s not a god all you want, but from the perspective of Roshar yes he is if he want to appear in Asimare today, he would be worshiped as one. The same cannot be said of yumi . She’s revered, but I don’t think I will ever call her a God or attempts to worship her if anything, her attendance bully and guilt trip her around. 2. I mean, you can come up with all sort of apologetics and reasonings all you want, but I think it’s just reasonable and far more simpler just to say that he simply made a mistake Use the word heretic instead of apostate. 3. I don’t know what more to do in this discussion. I have put it out all the evidence and you just continue to deny deny what more do you want from me?

1. I agree, which is why I wonder why you keep bringing it up 2. You’re missing the point point is that divinity is a theme of Kal just like for Kel

Why do you say agree to disagree? That makes no sense. It’s like you’re saying the sky is green and when I point out that it’s obviously blue you say well agreed to disagree. Either something has a cause or it doesn’t. If it existed in time, then it has a cause. If God was originally a man then he had a cause therefore, he is not the uncaused cause I wasn’t thinking of vorinism I was thinking of literally every other religion on Roshar actually. Vorinism it is really the odd one out as all the other others worship the heralds

Wasn’t certain which is why I didn’t elaborate

The spren can do that because of their bond, but unoathed have a completely different type of bond. We have never seen a unoathed spren in the physical realm except for as a shard blade or plate. The very fact, though that they can do it demonstrate that copper does more than just hide

1. What are you talking about? They create bubbles that protect other people that’s demonstrated several times, including when they’re trying to fight against the Lord rulers alomancy 2. Again, they would only be in the physical if they are already summoned

1. Where are you even getting this? No, she is not a part of virtuosity. 2. Kal is a Harold by definition of his religion He is a god same with kel 3. If Mater and energy are eternal, and God isn’t then by definition, he is not the uncaused cause. Look you can believe what you want, but don’t call it Christianity. 4. I’m giving the definition of Christianity that has existed for ages before Mormonism. Whereas you’re trying to come up with a new definition we are not the same 5. No Hindu’s are not heretics not colloquially not definitionally Just look at the etymology of the word it comes from the Greek word meaning subset.

1. If they just block things then they wouldn’t have an effect on spren . But we have wobs that’s say otherwise. 2. Based on what we can see of the technology and era 4 via emberdark there seems to be a strong indication that it does a lot more than just hide. 3. Even if we’re going by the information alone from Mistborn Weecee copper clouds block emotional alomancy that’s got nothing to do with hiding

1. Wrong not divinity, resurrection. Yumi is never considered divine. No one ever calls her a God instead, she is seen worshiping gods more like a high priest than anything else. 2. Wrong again Kal was resurrected Read wind and truth. 3. No one said it makes you wrong. It does make you not a Christian definitionally. 4. I’m sorry, the word Mormon offense you I understand that I am deeply offended by you calling yourself Christian when you are definitionally not. 5. Wrong again you don’t know your own theology. The Mormon church teaches that God was created by another God and was once a man so we cannot be the uncaused cause he himself had a cause. So again (using the Christian definition of divinity.) the Mormon God is not divine. 6. I’m not trying to be offensive. I’m just pointing out the obvious facts. I have nothing more against Mormonism (Latter Day Saints if you insist) then I do Buddhism but I do object to you, trying to change the definition of my religion to include you. 7. Again, please read my comments and not saying, Brandon Sanderson believes any of these things I’m saying he’s borrowing from common fantasy tropes loosely inspired by a misunderstanding of Church history which is why some people feel like it’s a reference to Christianity. 8. If you want to reject my definition of heretic fine tell me our Hindus Christian heretic? If not then, can you demonstrate that by your definition? If you cannot, then I suggest that your definition that you gave is at very least incomplete. 9. Please you know nothing about the crusades. Don’t even start about that. And no Christianity was not particularly violent. If they were the crusades might’ve been the more successful, they certainly wouldn’t have waited so long to actually start fighting back against Islam 10. I don’t why what you do in your religion relevant because. A. It’s not Christianity. B. It’s not medieval. C. We’re talking about how medieval Christianity is portrayed in media not necessarily reality. (though to be fair oaths were important. In Europe, which was most of medieval Christianity after Islam conquered 2/3 of it. So I understand where the stereotype comes from. @Immortal Platypus 11. what do you mean the majority of the earth’s religions are you insane? That’s literally 3 do you know how many religions there are? 12. Due to a relatively low. (at least until recently.) number of Muslims and Jews in America and Europe should not be surprised that Christianity and not Islam is the inspiration for the most monotheist religions in fantasy.

You have no proof of this you just asserting it as if it were true we have no reason to believe that you need a lot of power to block a shard blade summoning

Let me send you the link to the discussion one sec The basic argument, we know that a copper cloud would have an effect on spren so if it’s strong enough to have an effect on spren then it is strong enough to have an effect on shard blade

1. keyword there is theoretically possible. 2. I was just in another discussion where it was pointed out a copper cloud should block a shard blade/plate from being summoned according to wobs so this fight actually might be over or actually begun in the right circumstances. 3. Why would an arena not have metal? 4. Sure it’s not more beneficial, but it’s still beneficial. My decapitation is more beneficial to my opponent than a my cut. But 1000 cuts will still kill me just to same.

1. it’s a good thing. We’re talking about a Mistborn not a human they aren’t limited to what is humanly possible. 2. Keyword there is kill them immediately. Let me introduce you to something called blood loss. 3. Why are you limiting them to just coins? Even if this took Place in a Rosharain city there should still be plenty of metal around 4. I was responding to someone else’s comment that fight or blade could block blue steal lines @Frustration I was just in another discussion where it was pointed out a copper cloud should block a shard blade/plate from being summoned according to wobs so this fight actually might be over or actually begun in the right circumstances

1. Yeah, I tried, but it wasn’t working for some reason. 2. The three points are referring to were in my earlier comment I didn’t elaborate because it wasn’t relevant but since you asked how elaborate here (1. Resurrection 2. Divinity, and discipleship.) yumi has only one of these. ) I won’t go as far as the original poster and say that Kal and Kel are literally Christ, but clearly Christ was one of the inspirations. 3. I’m sorry, but you’re just wrong. Mormons rejected divinity of God at least has defined by Christians (the uncause cause ) and so definition they must also reject the divinity of Christ, something fundamental to Christianity (keep in mind we’re talking about Christians so I’m using a Christian definition of divinity not a pagan one) 4. That definition you gave her heretic is far too loose . By that definition, I could call Hindus Christian heretics. That of course would be absurd. A heretic must be a part of. Of the religion that they are rejecting. Her disbelief in the Almighty puts her firmly not vorin meaning she cannot be a heretic. She isn’t a prostate because she continues to keep vorin cultural traditions (safe hand, women’s food, and so on) while in unbelief. 5. Here is a list of all. The way vorinism is similar to fantasy Catholicism (my own word to describe how Christianity is usually portrayed in fiction and perceived by the non-Christian public) . 1. Monotheist, 2. Worships the Almighty (this is actually an accurate comparison as Christianity is one of the few religions that has an Almighty God, most religions have gods who are mighty, but not Almighty) 3. Had an evil corrupt church who misuse the words of God in order to take power. (this is mostly an exaggeration and not connected to the actual reality of Church history). 4. Corrupted history and teachings in order to take power (again, not a reflection of actual history only on the sad betrayal medieval Christianity and fiction). 5. Uses a religion to justify violence (again, not a reflection of actual history, but of the perception and portrayal of it in fiction). 6. Its followers are obsessed with honor and oaths. 7. Many of their monks are also scholars. All these tropes can be seen in fictional betrayals of medieval Christianity, particularly Catholicism

What evidence do you have for this?

Why? @Immortal Platypus because the similarities between Yum and Jesus could applied to any number of religious figures. However, the three components that make Kal and Kel similar to Jesus are more unique @Immortal Platypus 1. Consider considering he is a Mormon yes he is a non-Christian and ignorant as he apparently doesn’t know the difference a heretic and apostate (a discussion for any other time). But that wasn’t what I was getting at more that he was borrowing tropes, seeming other fantasy that are based on a very ignorant idea of church history. These tropes can be seen in a lot of fantasy

Fair enough, but I was mainly talking about durability anyways I don’t see any references through enhancing that. I’m not sure how much of a strength boost baseline pewter gives you, but I would assume it was probably above 2x no it will definitely have to be above 2X. There’s no way vin could casually use a kollos sword in one hand, even with twice her strength. So again, my point stands it does not compare. It grants no durability, and doesn’t grant nearly the same level of strength, even if it does grant some.

My bad sorry. It’s not just that it says she has no followers worshipers sure but nothing that could be compared to the apostles for example. Kel has his crew and Kal has bridge 4 people to carry on his legacy between his death and resurrection. She doesn’t really have that. honestly, it’s the resurrection part, the God part, and the small group of followers that really make Kal and Kel feel like Jesus. She doesn’t have any of that. She’s never once considered a God or tryes to portray herself as a God, she has no followers, she immediately has resurrected so she has at least one of three, but it’s not enough

That can’t be right I’m pretty sure there’s a literal wob that says this. I don’t have a printed copy of the book so I can’t look up these pages can someone else I am certain that nowhere in all storm like does it ever betray stormlight as in increasing strength. Energy yes but not strength. 8 feet is impressive to a normal human that compared to what a Mistborn is capable of not really a Mistborn is capable going much higher. If In The unoathed rearrange his armor then that would leave him vulnerable on some part of his body. the perfect opening for a Mistborn I could see tricking a unoathed to do just that. As for his shard shield again, he can only protect himself from one angle. Whereas a Mistborn can make attack from several angles, so the shield is as good as useless . Plot armor aside if Kal is capable of making the perfect shot to hit a person in plate in one place not perfected by armor as an ordinary man. Then surely a Mistborn is capable of a similar feat with far less plot armor. Coinshots are deadly accurate. Wax doesn’t need Duriluim he has all the power he needs. Thanks to his metal minds to bury the unoathed under debris. Maybe the unoathed could survive a literal building falling on him but he would be trapped

“Vorinism to be a very poor representation of any Christian Church“ yes but if you look at what ignorant non Christian think the church is (mainly based on media and half heard sermons) instead of what it actually is they are actually very similar

Doesn’t command anything she tempts them and then makes a contract. She’s not even the one that forms the contract. The people do . All she actually does is stake rocks. Second, no she’s not a splinter of anything (she is just a construct created from a lot of dead souls) and even if she was, I don’t see the connection to Christ .

No, read my post. There is no need for a firearm at all. I wasn’t thinking of Durlumin pewter. You could probably survive the momentum attack with just pewter and steel. (remember Steel reinforces your body so you can survive moving at great momentums) reinforced this with pewter and should be more than enough. The only thing they need duralumin for his extra speed so steel. and don’t compare kal into a Mistborn. Stormlight increases energy and healing not strength or durability Again, you are comparing someone with Stormlight to someone with pewter they do not compare and do very different things.

You’re overreacting in fact, we know for a fact that this hasn’t happened as we see Scadrial in era four. Additionally, I do not think that. Roshar could conquer Scadrial at least not at this point Yeah, you need to read those books, Sunlit man and ember dark

If pair of even if both of its vessels died, odium would still be a threat they shard itself wants war honestly being joined with honors, probably the best outcome for it Would be cool to see inquisitor versus Knight battle

Mistborn wins remember what zseth did where he broke plate. Using only his own momentum you could accomplish the same feet with Steel pewter and Duralumin metal. Let’s also not forget that with Duralumin the Miss Board should be able to push and pull on the plate itself, perhaps even the shard blade. worst case scenario the Mistborn can always retreat, whereas the un oath cannot That’s hardly their only weapon 1. They have their own body. You can use your own bodies momentum to break through plate as seen in book one 2. They have literally any metal that might be in the environment. 3. They could easily set up coins in specific locations to attack them from multiple angles if it was absolutely necessity that they restrict themselves to coins