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I agree. I'll look up the exact quote, but I believe it's after their spar at the start of WoA.

Sazed never fought any Inquisitor and won. He fought Marsh and did well, but lost in the end, and would have died if Ham hadn't shown up, surprised Marsh, and saved the day. So technically, Ham has fought an Inquisitor and won. Also, Marsh himself has by FAR the most impressive Inquisitor kill-counts.

I'm reasonably sure that whether or not you are "asleep" is arguable, and more a philosophical point than an important technical distinction. What seems obvious is this: If you bronzesleep to store in your metalmind, when you "wake up" you are neither any more tired nor awake than you'd been when you went to bronzesleep. I wonder if you bronzedream...

If memory serves it was during Well of Ascension when Sazed was first storing in those rings.

But when everyone talks about their healing skill, they discuss it as though the only option is goldminds. When they talk about how much sleep Inquisitors need, I heard someone mention that it must be when they build up their healing reserves. What if that's not the case? What if supernatural healing is an effect of just BEING an inquisitor? What if it's part of a rapid metabolism that requires a TON of sleep? It's not just a matter of, their hearts are in the right place. We have no real way to know how much everything about them, not just their height and the raspy voice, is due to the fact that they aren't even human.

It occurs to me that in this discussion, people are operating under the assumption that an Inquisitor is simply a human with some new powers. Nothing in the four spikes of strength a Koloss gets should turn their skin blue or let them grow to 12 feet tall, or to survive on dirt dug up from under ash. Nothing in the Blessing of Potency should, on its own, turn a scavenging slug into a sapient shape-shifter. Inquisitors are Hemalurgic creations. It's entirely possible that some of the unique aspects we've seen about them can have an explanation besides which Allomantic or Feruchemical power they acquired.

...The push downward is against the earth, which will not give. The push upwards is against the coin and through it to the woman, who absolutely will give. He goes up. They hadn't been sitting there balanced. As she came into position over him, he pushed and burned. That isn't how duralumin works. It's all or nothing.

Anyone have any thoughts on hard data as it pertains to "how strong does pewter make you?"? If I can bench-press 150lb, how much can I bench press when burning pewter? How much when flaring pewter? How much when burning pewter enhanced by duralumin/nicrosil? (I think I just tapped into word-problems that teachers give their students on Scadrial's modern-day equivalent...)

This is basically what I ended up doing. I also decided that the shock of such rapid travel to such a great height, along with a few other factors, rendered her unconscious, and she was unable to catch herself. Again, it felt dramatically appropriate. TOTALLY DID THAT. If I was going to kill off my character due to traveling too high, she was gonna see stars, dammit. To preserve the uniqueness of Vin, she never technically breached the outer layer of mist, but she did technically get high enough that she could see a few of the brightest stars beyond that last scrap of misty veil. ...Everything about this post is made of win. I agree with you, that we have to make so many estimations the entire thing becomes rather preposterous. That said, you've done far better math than I, and I think your guesses seem to be a reasonable approximation of what Sanderson intended, which is what's important. I plan to use your general outcome as the basis for the actual roleplay post; would you object if I link people directly to your work here as part of the combat?

I'd prefer science to assumptions. But remember, he's Pushing himself up from the anchors on the ground, so with duralumin he'd send himself flying upwards, which force would be transfered through the coin to her. So when he finally peaks, he'll be left without useful metals a lot higher than 30 feet.

Yeah, we'd figured that part out already. Technically, I think he'd get launch upwards himself (prolly not as much) before falling to his doom; the only other metals he has left are tin, bronze, and duralumin. He can see the ground coming at him VERY WELL before he's a mistpancake. Trying to apply some physics to this... tell me if I'm wrong. A Coinshot can, according to the full rules of the RPG and reference on this steel cheatsheet, shoot a coin at 100 mph in (here's where we're assuming) about a second. A coin generously masses at 5g. That's actually only .25 Newtons. If that's the maximum force that a steelpush can do, and factoring in duralumin letting him push with all of his (admittedly slim) reserves all at once, I figure he gets a whole 425 newtons of force, which if applied to a body approximately 75kg (more than 160lb) is only enough to shoot that body upwards at 6m/s^2. If the Mistborn is actually pushing himself upwards at the same time and transfers the force of THAT push, too, that would double it to 12m/s^2, which would have the girl fly a whopping 7.5m in less than two seconds before falling again. This... does not sound right. Is the problem in my physics? With my math? Cuz there's no way a duralumin-fueled steelpush could be that weak. A normal steelpush should be stronger than that. If she herself were just pushing on an anchor, she'd go farther than that. Someone, please let me know where I'm making my mistake.

Well, Fiu, the coinshot being shot upwards, has plenty of steel left herself, and when she falls, she'll fall in a courtyard between a 15 story building and two 10 story buildings, both of which have plenty of anchors. Assuming 10ft per story, and using the Mistborn RPG to establish that a coinshot can push metal 100 ft away, that gives her 200 feet to decelerate herself. Anyone know what human terminal velocity is? Does that sound reasonable? The real concern is, can the human body withstand such initial acceleration, or the heights that she'd get pushed to. Thank you, I will do this thing!

Long story short, I'm in a roleplay forum, and someone just did something interesting in a combat scenario. I'm sure with a few hours of research I could figure it out on my own, but I could use some help. A Mistborn is in mid-air about thirty feet off the ground. About ten feet above him is a coinshot (she weighs about 160). She's fired a coin at Jasun, hoping to get some height out of a push-contest. He turns the table on her. He's using steel to push against the coin between them, and finds solid anchors below him to also push against. He also burns pewter, and then burns duralumin. Jasun's only got a little bit of steel left; about enough for 2 minutes. How much force would he put into that coin going upwards? Roughly how high would he shoot the girl, Fiusha? (Please note; for brevity, I'm leaving out a lot of things not pertinent which explain why she doesn't just let the coin zip past her. I'm not interested in anyone's opinion of what she should do, or what he should do, or anything. I just want the answer to the physics question) EDIT: For clarity

Hrm, but isn't that Sel-specific? From the coppermind wiki: "King Rhashm led his people from other lands to Arelon, discovering the city of Elantris completely abandoned. Despite superstition about Elantris being haunted, Rhashm made it his capital. After a few decades, Princess Elashe, one of his descendants, was the first Aonic person to be taken by the Shaod to become an Elantrian." Admittedly, this has no source on the page, so who can say how accurate it is. Either way, it seems that Elantrians themselves are location specific: Any genetic line that lives there over multiple generations might gain that power, as has been shown to happen historically. Does that necessarily mean that the same is true of other systems of Investiture? Also, I wonder, is "potential Elantrian" written into your spiritweb? Or is part of the Shaod the transformation of an otherwise unremarkable spiritweb into an Elantrian one by the presence of such a large Aon? Which, incidentally, means "Spirit". My theory, and admittedly this is based mostly on speculation, is that while most forms of investiture around the cosmere are genetic, and inherent in either the entire or certain segments of the population, the Shaod is an environmental magic that has little or nothing to do with the participant's initial spiritweb.

Hrm. Well, you clearly have a spiritweb in utero, then. But if one egg has one spiritweb, but when it splits into genetic twins, they get different spiritwebs (if, as I believe I've seen written, it's possible to have twins who are Mistings of different metals). I'm going to espouse a theory now, based on really nothing more than rampant speculation. What if, at conception, almost all humans DO have the same spiritweb? Just a blank, default, "THIS IS A HUMAN" and nothing more spiritweb? And then perhaps the process of gestation develops this web? Though that sorta flies in the face of sDNA. I suppose maybe not, if there is such a thing as sDNA, it just isn't as completely immutable as typical DNA is. Like, you're not actually going to mutate your babies by using a cell phone, but perhaps sDNA can be modified slightly by outside stimuli. If so, do you think there's a window during development that this can happen, or even outside of magic does a person's spiritweb constantly change and evolve in minute ways?

Not the "same" soul, any more than identical twins have the "same" body. Identical souls. If you think about it, of all the uncountable combinations DNA can come in, the idea of two people getting the same ones are astronomical, which is why that's not what ever happens. When a person is a fertilized egg, with the complete blueprint inside, something interesting occurs that separates the egg and the result is a genetic twin. So... when, in the "cosmere", is the 'soul' made? When does it start, and when is the spiritual aspect of a person first attached to the physical aspect? Conception? Birth? Coming-of-age? On Scadrial, do you not have your soul until you Snap? If any cosmere scholars want to speak up, please feel free to do so; I do not know a lot about what Brandon has told us about how spiritwebs are gestated.

I assume you mean "telepathy"?

Or just a Slider with a gun and a scope.

Biking home two miles through the foggiest weather I've ever seen in my eight years in Washington, DC, I've never felt more in touch with the Mists. Three times that I can remember, I should have been hit by a speeding car. Somehow I made it home.

Nah, I was thinking of reading it to my three-year-old nephew at bedtime instead of Dr. Seuss. =D

If so, why would Ruin have tried to get Alendi to go to the Well? He could simply have spent the past thousand years erasing any memory of its existence from the Terris prophecies. I know bronzeburners would have sensed it eventually, but Allomancy was far weaker in those days; as a powerful Mistborn with a Hemalurgic boost to her Bronze, it was already fading when Vin was just a couple days' easy travel out of Luthadel. I would suspect that the millenial power isn't infinite; it would eventually have capped. If Ruin just had to wait, he could have, and been freed. I agree with Dyring; in the specific case of Alendi, if no one had done anything, humans might well have died from the mists. Who knows what things people used the power to do before him?

Which realm do the various powers of Allomancy affect? Something like Tin or Pewter is, I think, a fair slam-dunk on affecting the physical realm. Are bronzepulses felt (and hidden by copperclouds) in the cognitive realm, or spiritual? What realm does zinc Riot you in? Your cognitive aspect? Your spiritweb itself? Or does it simply stimulate glands in your physical body?

Phantom: I am super-impressed with your research, math, and just sheer dedication. Sorry I have nothing constructive to add.

Voidus: I'm not sure who, or which argument, you're replying to with this statement.

Interesting... if people can, however, have identical physical DNA but different spiritual DNA, does that mean it's possible to have identical spiritual DNA even if you have different physical DNA? A soultwin, as it were? I realize the odds of this happening by coincidence are preposterous, but perhaps like with genetic twins there's some very rare but still plausible event that can occur that would lead to this happenstance.