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  1. I'm not sure if this thread belongs in the overarching Cosmere forum, so I'm gonna pose the involved question with a spoiler blockade (although I'm not sure it involves an actual spoiler):
  2. Unless there's a way to adapt this possible Intent to that of another already-delineated Shard, I want to propose Weakness as a candidate for an undeclared Shardic Intent. My sole argument for this idea is that there is a branch of Jewish theology (a response to the Holocaust IIRC) in which the idea of God as supremely weak is analyzed. (I will look for a source to cite if needed; off the top of my head, I feel like I remember the idea showing up in Elie Wiesel's work.) Now, if there was a Shard of Weakness thus, I would imagine a Shard of Might too---again, unless one of the already-named Shards could be interpreted with that Intent (e.g. Ambition).
  3. We don't even know why Ati and Leras decided to go to the same part of the Cosmere...
  4. The questioner ought to have said, "Are there currently any Shards, besides Harmony, that are held by someone but not held by their original Vessel?" Lest Brandarn Sanderdarn, the genie of WoBs, striketh...
  5. Oh, it's missing something. The Typhon is like a hybrid born of the classical Abrahamic God and a Lovecraftian hyper-monster. You're right, though, he doesn't. At least, not in the canon. (I wrote fan fiction set in the time of the Ritual of Desolation Desecration that painted a cool portrait of how he infiltrated the Council of Lords, but of course that was more an inferential gloss of his overarching personality, applied to those circumstances, than an actual clear statement of his mindset.) Worse, he possesses Covenant's grown-up son at the end, which could've been a thematically-strong plot point, but... eh...
  6. Why ask why?” the book says silently, and Simon Tylerson answers the question while whispering to himself: “There is no reason to ask why unless the inquirer intends to do what there is a reason to, afterwards.” But the book does not agree unless by invisible implication; instead, the question it poses also ends the book itself.

                Simon starts reading something else, uneasy. Outside the shelter, wind battles with nightfall, both armed with lightning and scythe-shadowed moonshine. It’s just a coincidence. Or a synchronicity? Confirmation bias? Doctor Marcus Wheilf would say that it’s a probable improbability, maybe. Just the same, the very paragraph Simon had started to read, at random, begins with the words, “Outside the shelter, wind did battle with the quiet of the night, thunder and the blade of the moon for the two enemies’ rearguard weapons.”

                Wherefore Simon continues his perusal of the text, flipping ahead twenty-three pages. That quantity of flipping, he intends exactly. As if some demon or spirit intends for him to read the ensuing words, the text now proclaims, “Tyler Samuelson flipped through the book randomly, hoping to find a passage poetic enough to be used by the man in composing a love letter to his estranged girlfriend.”

                That part doesn’t line up. Simon doesn’t date girls. To be technically honest, he doesn’t date anyone, neither does he sleep with anyone, but if he had a chance to do either, both would be with some other guy. Once in a while, Simon wonders what it would be like if it was with more than one guy at a time (on a given night), but otherwise he’s a hopeful romantic—hopeful in the way the philosopher Immanuel Kant advises when it comes to religious judgment in general, no less.

                Fidgeting—too caffeinated and none too blazed—Simon sets the book down and turns on a radio. Explosions in the Sky explode forth to the tune of their “The Birth and Death of the Day” before, inexplicably, Lifehouse chimes in with “Simon.”

                Cursing, Simon shuts off the radio.

                As its display fades, it reminds the man of the late hour: 2:23 AM.

                There are rules at the shelter, and then there are exceptions. Although the else itinerant men who reside there are presumed half-helpless, in need of discipline if they are ever to make it back into the normal run of the social mill, leeway is granted them on this score: if they don’t want to sleep for the few hours they’re allotted before being sent on their way for the day, they don’t have to. Simon does wish to sleep, as much as or less than he seeks to keep reading, though. He could chew all his fingernails off ten times or more, he’s so nervous as he keeps reading the coincidental book.

                This phenomenon—he calls it “the Pattern,” in honor of Robert Jordan’s fantasy series The Wheel of Time—haunts him more than almost any mistake he’s ever made. No matter what book he picks up, under whatever circumstances, motivated in whatever way, however he finds the book or wherever he sees it, it always turns out that the problem of the characters in the story maps one-to-one, or 0.99-to-one, or 0.989999999…-to-one, onto the problem Simon faces in his own life, at the same time. Is he living with wannabe drug traffickers and possible prostitutes while trying to join a quasi-Catholic church and learn how to play a guitar? Why, it will just so happen that The Mice of the Ninth Cat (for example), by some obscure Russian authoress, published seventy years ago and almost doomed by Soviet censorship, only purchased (or checked out of the library) by Simon for the sake of a flash of literal intuition, is about someone whose neighbors are smuggling amphetamines and pimping out their underage sisters while the benighted protagonist outskirts the Eastern Orthodox in the area and fiddles with a banjo on behalf of their Sunday choir. —And that’s a rare indirect example of the alignment of another’s text and the reader’s mind. Usually the identity of story and reality is far more extreme.

                … “Long ago, or in the beginning,” the angel-man says, “all of the substance of the physical universe was condensed into a perfect point in space and time. As this point transformed into lines and then shapes, the matter flowing into this matrix of energy assumed as many configurations as it could under the circumstances. Quantum freedom allowed objects to appear, there, that either quickly collapsed or sundered themselves under the immense pressure and expansion of being—or to endure from the beginning until the ever-ending story of the present.

                “This echthros-city you have envisioned… is one of those Machines. Assembled by spontaneity in the genesis-crucible of the universe, it did not and never will die, until the destruction of the end of time. It imprinted its power on all the history from the Planck epoch onward, until now its teleology corrupts everything in its path, so far as life across the worlds resists it not, or even serves it as utterly as can be.”

                Simon nods, looking at the equations and addendum-jargon. “The acceleration of the expansion of space: that’s being caused by this Machine.”

                “You can feel that?” Sarah asks. “Because… Because I think I can feel it, too.”

                “Anyone can, if their moral intuition has been honed by reason enough,” the angel-man observes.

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      [Continuing from first section] Distracted, Simon again closes the book, turns his attention to the half-blank page in the journal he carries with him. After a paragraph of arcane argument, he has penned a slew of symbols at the center of the line he’s on:

       

       [Editor's note: equation is not to be formatted thus: + zYא = 3XאX]

       

                  Whether aleph-numbers admit of this sort of algebra, he doesn’t really know. If it weren’t for the fact that Simon had assigned a specific kind of meaning to the variables here, he wouldn’t even know whether there was anything to imagine or analyze, here. But this meaning of his is specific enough to purr at his intuition—mathematical and ethical, actually—a cat with aleph-nine lives.

                  Black-and-white, an image of his own cat rolls around lovingly in Simon’s thoughts. He blinks at possible tears.

                  The outside sky surceases its own lacrimation as the wind calms down, too. Three flashes of lightning punctuate the assumption of darkness.

                  The last thunderbolt arcs like a question-mark being murdered, by God and His demons together.

       

      Simon blinks awake. The plodding staff member who covers the overnight shift shuffles out of the kitchen in the commons area. “Watcha readin’?” he says, a distant accent singsong-along in his voice. East Coast? Thinking of Dean Black, Simon rues the fact that he really is good at recognizing only the dialectical twang of Utah natives.

                  Wondering why the staff member allowed him to fall asleep in this room, though not condemning the man at all—unexplained exceptions to rules—Simon mumbles, “Uh, fantasy… Or, uh, science fiction…” What is the book about Tyler Samuelson about? According to the monstrous, celestial picture on the cover, it might be weird horror.

  7. Don't worry, Sel itself will become self-aware and be a spaceship eventually anyway
  8. I guess my guess is that the Evil "woke up" at some point. Maybe it's like how the landscape of Sel is becoming conscious. Imagine that, the Evil is a Shade... not of a person, but the entire continent
  9. Ati X Leras The Lord Ruler X Ba-Ado-Mishram Raoden X Hrathen Nightblood X Sylphrena EDIT: A chasmfiend X a sandfiend (sorry, have no clue what the monsters in White Sand were called)
  10. Hemalurgic Obama... Obamalurgy (I need poorly edited pictures of Obama as an Inquisitor, stat! OR, of Obama as Hemalurgic Spikes, in someone else...?)
  11. Hashtag of the millennium
  12. For what it's worth, the last four books were supposed to include/focus on an assessment of the Despiser's psychology. Whether they really did so is a point of contention among the audience, though. (I think Donaldson read Answer to Job once upon a time and that was the background for the Creator and the Despiser being "shadows of" each other, so there was supposed to be something about a Christian-style God being good and evil instead of just good, etc., but who knows...) The Dragonball Z kind of battle at the end of the third book of the first trilogy, I liked. I still don't understand how a bunch of ghosts laughing at him, liquidated the Despiser for the time being, but the prose for the evil emerald's destruction I still think is some of the most epic I've ever read. I also enjoyed the sacrifice/Sunbane sequence at the end of book 6. The end of book 10... IDK... it seemed rushed. Also I don't like the term "Lord Foul." I usually go out of my way to refer to the character as "the Despiser"... And sometimes the way he talks grates on my nerves, like he's a weird mutant inhabitant of the Pride and Prejudice form of the English language, or what. However, in general, his "I'm gonna trick the saviors into destroying the world" methodology makes for some interesting moral psychology/gamesmanship. I know you said you don't like the end of the WoT series, but I liked it a lot, and at the least, we get an example, finally, of the Dark One directly fighting someone (although I still have little clue how Rand physically survived the confrontation). I also liked Moridin... Odium does have this going for him, that he's a real character, not an archetype. So from a literary standpoint, he has literary coolness to him. It remains to be seen if he is metaphysically as cool, too, though, otherwise-speaking. The fate of the Heralds and the humans being offworlders might not seem disheartening enough, but do we know whether the KR ever learned that Tanavast helped kill God back in the day? The Unmade win by default for me, here. The evil horse-swarm image... Incredibly cool. EDIT: But so no one else has read The Familiar or TCatEoT? I can't really explain the Typhon that well, except to say, imagine if, after cosmic heat death nearly ran its course, quantum chaos took over, and somehow had a mind of its own. The Versal Apex Predator, now... Possibly the most ominous entity in fiction (fiction that I am familiar with anyway). Again, on the edge of cosmic heat death, except now people made up of as much energy as stellar masses, sacrificed one trillion or so of their population, to send the VAP back to the Big Bang to try to reprogram the universe, with Them in control as a result, annihilating free will (if possible) in the process. Meanwhile, another one of those star-people turned into a cat that befriends God (who is a little girl in the 21st Century), which cat goes on to become possessed by the VAP itself...
  13. I thought the WoB about Investiture being assigned to the Shards made it sound like some of the substance of the universe was in an Investiture state specifically, before the Shattering. Actually the whole triad of matter-energy-Investiture seems to require us to imagine them as separate, otherwise there'd be no reason to speak of three, or even two, examples of the category?
  14. He seems, to me, at least a little cooler than Lord Foul, but not as cool as the Dark One. (I'm comparing just these three owing to their "you're an evil god, Harry" aspect; other super-evils that I can easily recall from books I've read, haven't been evil gods, except maybe the Crimson King but he will not be further named and then there's Brooks' Void, which might or might not be self-aware.*) At least, not yet. You could also compare Odium and Ruin as such, of course... But I believe the battle scene with Odium, if there is one, will probably be more involved than the one with Ruin, so... *EDIT In The Familiar, there's the Versal Apex Predator, which might be deity-level, though created by others. In The City at the End of Time, there's the Typhon, which is also god-ish, but killed by a horde of cats IIRC.
  15. Mwahaha there is always another secret, however Supertwist options: Cultivation becomes Odium's champion, or the Stormfather does. Or the planet of Sel makes its way to the Rosharan system and, as a sapient god-planet, swears fealty to its creator
  16. This theory relies on some assumptions, like, "An avatar is not equivalent/identical to a Shard per se (not even a Vessel)," but is a corresponding projection therefrom. This would have to be so if the theory were true since Now, my reason for thinking that Ambition, like Autonomy, has had avatars, is due to my assumption that Uli Da was doing something similar to what Bavadin has done in going out and "igniting" her assigned Investiture-blobs throughout the Cosmere. Beyond this, it's just a guess, and I think technically my argument is fallacious ("affirming the consequent" or some such thing) except in some vague, "Deductive logic can get weird betimes," sense.
  17. Sel is the most powerful being in the Cosmere
  18. They might be = but they're not ≡. They can be converted into each other but not all units/quanta of one, immediately counts as a unit/quantum of the others.
  19. We needn't even assume such. However, there are two options: either Adonalsium USED Investiture to rearrange preexistent matter and energy to form the Rosharan system, OR Adonalsium converted a blob of Investiture into matter and energy, arranging it Roshar-wise in the process. Well I guess there's a third option, too, that Adonalsium used both preexistent m/e AND converted some Investiture, here.
  20. I just remembered, when I saw the OB exterior art, I assumed it was of Shallan, even though I knew Shallan was red-haired. My mind always gives Jasnah a tied-up hairdo
  21. I'm gonna guess/postulate that most of the matter used in the system was condensed from Investiture, rather than being already present and then rearranged via Investiture. I don't know much about planetology(?) so IDK how likely/possible it is for there to be a solar system with a star the size of Roshar's, and 10 gas giants in it, likely/possible on the assumption of a normal stellar-evolution process being the cause of the system (I know Adonalsium made the system but this could otherwise mean that It created the nova that eventually at its core became the Rosharan sun and then the debris coalesced into the planets).
  22. I always thought it was underneath the lower circle so the symbol looked kind of like +, but IDK why I believe that.
  23. It occurred to me, if the Heralds are all insane, then would only "insane" spren bond with them? I mean corrupted spren, more than less.
  24. Rosharan gravity must be crazy, on the full scale...
  25. Ambium, Ruidium, Odervation, Ovotion, Odinion, Endodium, Odivation, Odonomy, Honodium... They all sound terrible
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