Ripheus23
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Story idea: a universe of portal magic, where otherwise incontiguous sections of the universe are adjoined as 'harmonic landscapes,' with the attendant civilizations known as 'consortia.' one hlc where there is a factionpower known as the Apex, another the Nexus, and elsewhere the Matrix-abyss, has hundreds of adjoined regions.
There are also consortia that bent their portals to convey the 'door-ships' as these are called.
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What would happen if a human cognitive shadow inhabited a Listener gemheart?
Ripheus23 replied to Seeker861's question in Cosmere Q&A
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In my quest to imagine unusual endgames for the cosmere, I have been drawn more and more to the idea of the Dor as a focal point for a "final threat." One impression I have is that the Dor as it stands amounts to a mass of Investiture-gravity, one that can form not only a perpendicularity (as it has?) but possibly something that could draw other dead Shards into itself, from across the cosmere. This would depend on the physics of perpendicularities, which the texts don't contain enough information on yet, even with WoBs. OTOH... The Set is extremely clearly related (inspirationwise) to Cantor's set theory. Mathematics is important to the cosmere (well, it's important to everything; but narratively speaking, it's a major theme of the saga). AonDor is an example of a magic system that revolves explicitly around mathematics as such. There are people "waiting to see what happens with"/hack the Dor. So... My theory is that there might end up being a "scramble for Sel," like the European "scramble for Africa," where different spacefaring systems go to Sel to try to take advantage of the mathemagic in order to unlock the infinite power of infinite sets. Not necessarily to reconstitute Adonalsium, but maybe to just replace him... At any rate, to either divert or control the Shards as they stand?
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Maybe, though the Dor might seem like a near-dishard. Maybe the Evil is a 'lesser' Shard kind of thing, too...?
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So somewhere in my set-theory research, I read about the use of what seemed to be a color index for infinite cardinals. Or a description of a set of cardinalities that depended on coloration facts, or something. I wish I could find it again as easily as I stumbled upon it...
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I mainly just feel it might be poetic.
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We're gonna have to call it Gavilar's sphere, methinketh.
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I doth haveth not such as these. 'Tis but a twinge of my intuition at best. Or... Dawnshards.
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I know the SA doesn't have to reflect the WoT series, but I was thinking, what if instead of the 'giving up use of saidin' situation being the background, it is part of how Odium is defeated? Let's say that the corruption of the spren became such a pervasive phenomenon, alongside the ravages of the Everstorm and so on, that it turned out that the protagonists had to seal away their own power, to seal away the Voidlight too? Maybe the spren would even sacrifice themselves in the way of being cast out of the Rosharan system, with the Shards of Honor and Odium, leaving the elder spren, of the singers, with Cultivation, to heal the world of Roshar from then on.
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Not sure if this will broach cosmere-wideness, but... So the highstorms, gemhearts, all that, was around before Honor and Cultivation, and Odium for that matter. H&C insinuated themselves into the already existent magic (btw, do we know if there was a Nightwatcher before Cultivation? We know there was a Stormfather, yeah?). There seem to be analogues and tethers of the prior magic, in the Knights-system, like the use of gems to bind Shardblades. Now, when someone swallows the Yelig-nar crystal, they start growing crystals out of their body. And the seamless way Shardplate fits together, reminds me of the listener armor being seamless (as their skin). So this is my theory of Shardplate: it is a benign analogue of the listener armor, adapted harmonically from the source. By contrast, Yelig-nar is a malignant adaptation of either the original listener armor-potential, the Knights-system, or both. If this were true, lesser spren could still play a role in the process of Shardplate creation. Let's suppose the listeners had their own entire spren ecology prior to humans coming: because listeners had their own concepts, memes, etc. that were different enough such that listener lifespren (for instance) might've been different from the glowing green things we see now. Indeed, the ability of the spren to be corrupted might be mediated by all the modern spren being tied to humans such that the implicit corruption of human cognitive society (on Roshar) imprints a vulnerability into modern spren, that Odium's forces can as such exploit. But so anyway, maybe there was something in the original spren that contributed to the listener armor-potential, and later spren were interwoven into the analogue process for the Knights?
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With our luck, on whichever planet ends up with a partly Russian-inspired culture (prolly Sel or Nalthis?), there will be a more or less literal Chekhov's gun.
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So would I this is what I get for theorizing after fainting EDIT: I just remembered, my theory, or the Shardplate part of it, involved a notion of spren 'evolution', like the common spren of Roshar are human-derived such that the ones like Cusicesh or the stormstriders are from the prior sprevolutionary epoch.
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*Furtively clings to Aonafoil hat*
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I'm assuming long-term Cognitive gravity for the Dor, and I was trying to tie in a Shardplate theory instead of posting a separate thread about it haha
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Note to self: describe deontic cardinality re: Moore's error (in the additive relation of ought-facts).
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In Vax, I'd be driven mad not knowing how I was being tortured.
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So my belief about Shardplate is that it is Honor and Cultivation's adaptation of the original Rosharan ecology, and that Yelig-nar is Odium's perversion of such a process. I also think sandlings and chasmfiends might be Connected but IDK... Anyway, let's say that in the long run, the Dor is sucking in other dead Shards (if slowly) and there is a plot to use Nightblood to solve the problem but that triggers a greater disaster... Anyway so suppose that Hoid wants to resurrect Aona, somehow, because for him, the first (of two firsts?) murder of a Shard was the beginning of what has been getting worse ever since... The death of Love and the rampage of Hatred. Although maybe the quasi-canon is that he wanted to bring someone back, before the Shattering even, IDK. Or maybe he changed his mind... Anyway, the idea is that a lot of Shards might get into the Dor, so that it does endanger the cosmere, but hopefully Honor is not one of the devoured Shards... Or it is but so is Odium and the Rosharans had no idea, they were sacrificing their magic to save their world?
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It's early morning for me so I unfortunately saw "to use sperm powers" while scrolling down. @RShara NO the Black Cauldron has been activated! The Great Necropocalypse has begun!
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Not conceptually, on the surface, but... Tanavast as a person, if his ideals were reflected in Nohadon for instance... And then take Kaladin. Maybe not Equality, then, but something like "Isonomy." Which would be an interesting alternative to Autonomy...
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I think Odium tempered Honor, as things went... I'm thinking of Honor and Dominion as opposites, with Honor supposed to be like Equality, say, but Odium's influence led to the repression of darkeyes, for example.
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EDIT: SCREAMS AT POST WTH DID IT TAKE THAT MUCH TIME TO...?!?!?!?!!?!
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What if someone could take up Devotion and Odium? Ambition and Honor? Do you think such pairings would turn out like Harmony? Unstable/overstable, sorta?
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Set theory is whack
"Definition 5.4: NN is a mouse iff NN is a critical premouse, N′N′ is iterable and for each i∈Ordi∈Ord there is NiNi, a critical premouse, such that (Ni)′=N′i(Ni)′=Ni′ where 〈N′i,π′ij,κi〉〈Ni′,πij′,κi〉 is the iteration of N′N′, and n(Ni)=n(N)n(Ni)=n(N).
Definition 5.1: Premouse N=JUαN=JαU is critical iff P(κ)∩Σω(N)⊈NP(κ)∩Σω(N)⊈N and NN is acceptable.
Definition 3.1: For κ<ακ<α, N=JUαN=JαU is a premouse at κκ iff N⊨“U is a normal measure on κ”N⊨“U is a normal measure on κ”."
~~~Cantor's Attice, "Core Model"
In other words, wtf are mice and premice?!?!?! This sounds more whack than Kurepa trees or zero-sharp or what.
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So I was reading about the von Neumann universe, which the article (Wikipedia's) said was built up by transfinitely iterating the powerset operation. So unfortunately(ish), I had assumed in my version of set theory that the infinite ascension operation (equivalent to the powerset one at least in the simple minimum limit) would not lead to the "apex" of the hierarchy, at least not directly/necessarily/etc. I know there's no given apex to the vNu since the vNu is not supposed to be "the set of all sets" as such, but anyway, I also remember reading (can't find where right now...) that large cardinal axioms (I think) are conceived as "arbitrarily close to vNu" in the sense that a large cardinal is understood in the light of transfinality (my term, but their procedure) first, from which some descension is possible.
Now, this might not make much of a difference one way or another, although it seems to indicate (to me) that simplifying the axiom system so that large cardinal axioms are reduced to theorems of the axioms of transfinality and transcardinality (as such), is a possible "way to go" (as I have been going, to be sure). So in other words, either I'm going to find out that these topics have already been deeply addressed
or that I'm on to something interesting.
