Mistbreaker

Hello guys. I have been thinking of an idea for  Lord Ruler fanfic split into three main parts/chapters where the point of divergence is that he actually won at the end of Final Empire and will now get another chance to hold the power at the Well of Ascension.  Now, while I have been having a lot of fun with the outlines, I have been wondering if you guys think the endgame seems plausible. Okay here it goes:

After getting rid of Vin and the rebellion, it wouldn't be long before his next opportunity to pick up the power at the Well of Ascension. Also, we know from a WoB 

 that the first time Rashek held the power he was able to reach out into the Cosmere far enough to figure out his people weren't alone in the universe but due to all the things he need to course-correct in Scadrial he didn't have the time to look very far. But if he could have endured the thousand year wait to become a sliver again, I suspect he would have tried a lot harder to learn more of the other Shardworlds, world hopping and most likely a way to finish off Ruin once and for all because he would know that Ruin remains his biggest existential threat. 

So, let's say that in this alternate timeline where TLR lived to hold the power another day, he learned through his temporary near omniscience that it would be too difficult for him under his circumstances to take over another Shard. He would then try to look for a way to kill Ruin with more conventional means and that's when he learns of Nightblood in Nalthis, a blade that can cut through all three realms and eats investiture. With his rapidly expanding mind he plots his new plan and discovers what he needs to do to get to Nalthis and back and how to better connect the magic systems of Biochroma and Allomancy through Duralumin Feruchemy, as it has been confirmed that can also change one's Spiritual connection to a planet, which can help worldhoppers with magic systems.

Once he gets there, he overpowers Vasher and takes the blade that can cut through all three realms. Then, he would need to find a way to coerce the God King Susebron into giving him his massive amount of breaths. Once the mighty Lord Ruler gets a giant power boost as he reach the 10th heightening, he returns to the place of the Well of Ascension with Nightblood in tow.

Now, this is the key part to make any of this scenario even remotely plausible. We know Ruin is trapped in the well. Not weak of course but his powers are contained, maybe even to the point he would be unable to directly fight back against Rashek although I am not so sure about that point. Regardless, now that the Lord Ruler has both Nightblood and the treasure trove of breaths. His new power source is very important, as the 10th heightening could plausibly allow him to properly sense where in the vicinity his blade should strike right before attacking the restrained Ruin with Nightblood. After all, the well would disappear from the naked eye not long after becoming a Sliver again. If not enough, maybe he could compound on his tin simultaneously to heavily increase his 5 senses even more. Then, once he would be able to see where to direct his blow through combined, high tier powers of the magic systems, he could compound on his Duralumin, which would ensure Nightblood would eat through all 50,000+ breaths at once in a single, shattering blow against Ruin.

Now, do you think this would actually work? I am not entirely sure, but it is the most plausible scenario I can think of to take down a shard without becoming one, based on what we currently have in the Cosmere. Still, I would love to hear a second opinion, in case I might be missing something.

Personally, I think the one with the highest odds of accomplishing this would have actually been the Lord Ruler if he had killed Vin in Final Empire. My logic goes as follow:

After getting rid of Vin and the rebellion, it wouldn't be long before his next opportunity to pick up the power at the Well of Ascension. Also, we know from a WoB (can't remember which) that the first time Rashek held the power he was able to reach out into the Cosmere far enough to figure out his people weren't alone in the universe but due to all the things he need to course-correct in Scadrial he didn't have the time to look very far. But if he could have endured the thousand year wait to become a sliver again, I suspect he would have tried a lot harder to learn more of the other Shardworlds, world hopping and most likely a way to finish off Ruin once and for all. 

So, let's say that in this alternate timeline where TLR lived to hold the power another day, he learned through his temporary near omniscience that it would be too difficult for him under his circumstances to take over another Shard. He would then try to look for a way to kill Ruin with more conventional means and that's when he learns of Nightblood in Nalthis. With his rapidly expanding mind he plots his new plan and discovers what he needs to do to get to Nalthis and back and how to better connect the magic systems of Biochroma and Allomancy through Duralumin Feruchemy, as it has been confirmed that can also change one's Spiritual connection to a planet, which can help worldhoppers with magic systems.

Once he gets there, he overpowers Vasher and takes the blade that can cut through all three realms. Then, he would need to find a way to coerce Susebron into giving him his massive amount of breaths. Once the mighty Lord Ruler gets a massive power boost as he gets to the 10th heightening he returns to the place of the Well of Ascension with Nightblood in tow.

Now, this is the key part to make any of this scenario even remotely plausible. We know Ruin is trapped in the well. Not weak of course but his powers are contained, maybe even to the point he would be unable to directly fight back against Rashek although I am not so sure about that point. Regardless, now that the Lord Ruler has both Nightblood and treasure trove of breaths, right before striking at the restrained Ruin with Nightblood, he could compound on his Duralumin, which would ensure Nightblood would eat through all 50,000+ breaths at once in a single, shattering blow against Ruin.

Now, would this actually work? I am not entirely sure, but it is the most plausible scenario I can think of. What do you guys think?

Tindwyl would have a blast asking Vasher about his centuries-long and accomplished, not to mention mysterious life and would probably love the resulting biography she would make for him. I doubt Vasher would like that much but he might be willing to indulge her if she could help him consume Investiture from Scadrial, as I have a feeling any of the 3 metalic arts would be very useful for his feeding purposes, especially Allomancy. If both keep their end of the bargain, and get to know each other well and long for the biography I could see them becoming friends.

Paalm/Lessie and Jasnah.

Fantastic choices, Ashborn! I found them so fitting. And I cracked up at the Tindwyl/Mulan song for Elend! Such a great list!

I am new to this site as well but I just had to say hi after I read that you just graduated college with a Bachelor's in History. As a tour guide with a degree in Historical tourism from the Central American nation of Panama, allow me to welcome you into this community as well. Also, your comprehensive table of content sound great and the kind of thing I would love to do when I have more time in my hands. We history nerds should band together and make our own Keeper club to compile records from the Cosmere in a cool manner

See you around!

I hadn't seen anyone offer a theme song for Ruin yet so allow me share this piece of art:

Divide

It's technically the theme song for the Big Bad of the RWBY series but if you switch the singer from Salem to Ruin and imagine he is singing to Preservation, it sounds remarkably fitting, especially if you also imagine the main characters like Vin, Elend and Kelsier as Preservation's allies/agents to better match the lyrics. The result is very omnious song about an extinction level event, just like Ruin likes it! Enjoy!

I couldn't find a poll for this topic and I love the Graphic Audio adaptations that have been done for the Mistborn stories so I thought it might be a good topic to put out there. Regarding my personal favorite, while not my favorite Mistborn novel as a whole, my favorite adaptation from Graphic Audio is Shadows of Self. The voice acting for everyone was top notch, hearing Sazed soothing voice again was a joy to listen to, the music was so fitting for the pacing and Wayne's collection of accents was beyond entertaining. Even the disturbing parts were phenomenally done, like the part with the chauffeur that encounter the Bleeder and thinking it was a Mistwraith of old, he started shouting in despair that he lost his soul. And the voice acting for that final scene man! I wanted to hug Wax so hard. So yeah, Shadowws of Self is my favorite one, though Final Empire and Hero of Ages come close, in that order. How about everyone else?

Never mind, just found it. Lol, still a newbie on this site. Sorry!

Hi Llarimar. If you don't mind me asking, how do I activate the poll feature when I am trying to make a post? Thanks.

Thank you for that information. I will certainly keep it in mind. And yeah, I imagine the energy required to perform this task will burn through the reserves she has been accumulating for much of her life in those seconds but even if I make a sequel I won't really need her to perform such a feat anytime soon after that so I think I am good. Would probably physically strain her a lot though, even if its just a little over half human terminal velocity...hmmm. Thanks again.

1 hour ago, goody153 said:

After seeing Preservation and Ruin operates with how they just do about anything that isn't against their intent to achieve their goals even if that means lying especially Ruin. No matter how benevolent Sazed is he is still basically a god with two shards where one of his intent is violent. He was bound to do something that is considered immoral and cruel by those who aren't a Shard like him but for him just necessary as the real ruler of Scadrial.

The entire reveal with Lessie at the end of the book and the actions that Harmony did that lead to it. That was the moment i have been waiting for when the Hero of Ages finally acts as the manipulative, invasive and seemingly cruel god that we needed to see. 

The caretaker for all ages just doesn't mean rainbows and sunshine. It also means doing the hard things basically a god must do to ensure survival

I've only gone through the written version. Actually i'm not much of a fan of audiobooks or graphicaudio tbh it doesn't match my pace(i know i can pause backtrack etc but it can be annoying). And sometimes i like to read and reread some lines over and over again savoring but thanks for the suggestion.

A very well crafted argument. Thanks for sharing. 

1 hour ago, goody153 said:

I've only gone through the written version. Actually i'm not much of a fan of audiobooks or graphicaudio tbh it doesn't match my pace(i know i can pause backtrack etc but it can be annoying). And sometimes i like to read and reread some lines over and over again savoring but thanks for the suggestion.

You're welcome, although in case you are not aware, there are several apps you can download in your device to play the audiobook and increase or decrease the speed of the narration to better fit your pace. I do that all the time as needed to improve my experience. 

On 5/27/2018 at 11:44 AM, Calderis said:

Shadows of Self. I love the book as a whole and the ending just... Oh damnation. 

Yeah. Have you listened to the ending in the Graphic Audio format? The music, voice acting, the crying, everything was of the highest quality. I wanted to hug Wax so hard.

On 5/27/2018 at 6:49 AM, goody153 said:

SoS close 2nd for the combination of Sanderson's better quality writing and just plain disturbing for a Sanderson book. The Final Empire cause it work as a stand-alone and it's a pretty great starting story.

Have you listened to the Graphic Audio version of shadows of self? The disturbing parts were really highlighted there, especially the part were the poor chofer encounter the Kandra and thinking it was a Mistwraith of old, he started shreaking in despair that he lost his soul. That scene transitioned so well to the Graphic Audio version it easily became the most disturbing thing I have ever seen Brandon Sanderson produce.

On 6/9/2018 at 2:31 AM, Barbarian AL said:

Diego is an awesome name!! Welcome to the shard!

Thanks a lot! Everyone has been very welcoming so far.

On 6/9/2018 at 2:36 AM, The Harlem Worldhoppers said:

Welcome to The Shard Diego! Sometimes it's crazy to think that Cosmere fans exist all around the globe.

I know right?! Still, I wish I knew more Cosmere fans in my country. 

On 6/9/2018 at 2:36 AM, The Harlem Worldhoppers said:

Quick question: If you could use one magic system from the Cosmere what would it be? I'd be a full feruchemist personally.

Full feruchemist as well but probably not for the reasons you think. You see, I am historical tour guide so the idea of filling tons of different aspects of Panamanian history into my copperminds and then accessing them at will for tours, classes and more would be amazing, and really useful in my line of work.

Very intriguing theory. Sounds logical to me and it has loads of fanfic potential as well. Thaks for bringing it to my attention.

5 hours ago, goody153 said:

Also afaik Sazed was the last feruchemist during the final ascension even the child feruchemist got wiped by Inquisitors(along with Vin and Elend being the last Mistborn's near the end of Mistborn one).

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Oh, I didn't mean to say that Aslydin would be a feruchemist, I meant that since one of her parents was an elder and they were killed in the attack maybe they could use feruchemy. Thanks for the quotes though. Can't say I remember someone that looked like a Terriswoman when I read Warbreaker though.

Hello eveyone. I have been working on the outlines for a Mistborn fanfic for some time now and while I have much of the ideas organized, there is one important plot element that I would love to include but I am unsure if the Mistborn Era 2 tech would be able to provide what I need to make it plausible. 

So here it goes: the story would be set in the 50th year anniversary for the Catacendre and follow the first Double Steel Twinborn on record, who as it happens, is one of Spook's many granddaughters. Without going into too many details, I need her to be able to use her compounding to walk on water for about 20 seconds. Now, I have done some research and according to the math, that would require her to go run at 30 meters per second/108 Kilometers per hour. I think it could be done since research shows that humans speed cap has been theoretically placed at around 45 km and we are talking about a double steel twinborn compounding to very fast effects. However, I have also read from a WoB that such Twinborns would also have a cap in their speed due to air resistance. Does anyone here have any idea if the speeds I am talking about would be too much due to the air resistance and if so, what wild west level resources/clothing could be used to help her handle that 20-second sprint? 

Thank you for your time and for bearing with me.

Ok, so I have no idea if someone else has already posted a similar theory before but well, here it goes:

After re-reading Mistborn: Secret History, I decided to read more of Hoid's known appearances on Scadrial and that's when I remembered that he spent much of WoA in the Terris Dominance. Given that he has been trying to gain access to more and more magic systems for some unknown purpose, I imagined that he was trying to somehow get Feruchemical powers from the Synod now that he also had access to Lerasium level Mistborn magic. However, as we know, Ruin sent the Inquisitors and the Koloss forces to wipe out the Keepers and steal all the Feruchemical abilities they could while at it.

Now, here is where the theory starts. We know that Aslydin was the daughter of one of the Elders, maybe even a full Feruchemist at that and that he was killed during that attack. Well, what if Hoid, in trying to get a spike with Feruchemical power ended up saved her using what was clearly another magic system and that spiked her curiosity enough to question him as much as she could while they were on the way to the pits with the other refugees, before Hoid parted ways with her? Then she could have shared that information with Demoux one day and eventually they learned how to worldhop. As for why Demoux might be looking for Hoid with help from the 17th Shard that has been opposing Hoid, well, maybe they eventually learned that the Feruchemical spike Hoid stole had the powers and lifeblood of Aslydin's father, which would make it personal, even if they have another reason.

That's where I have gotten so far. What do you think?

On 5/6/2018 at 11:35 PM, Llarimar said:

A few people have said that they were hooked on Sanderson after reading The Final Empire, and some of my friends have told me this as well in person.  However for me, while I loved the Final Empire, I wasn't "hooked" on Sanderson, I wouldn't say,  until I had finished the entire first Mistborn trilogy.  What really hooked me on Sanderson was seeing all of his incredible plot connections and his foresight as an author, which only became really apparent by The Hero of Ages.

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And that is one of the main reasons The Hero of Ages takes the cake for me as well. It also helps that it was the most gripping, mindblowing and satisfying conclusion to an enjoyable trilogy I have ever read. Plus, watching Sazed struggle with his faith hit all of my empathy bottoms the entire time and his transformation into Harmony made my thoughts reel for weeks. It was the first time I ever got such a reaction from a novel so yeah, it takes the cognitive cake for me.

Although I have to say, if we are talking about my favorite Graphic Audio adaptation for a Mistborn novel then I have to go with the Shadows of Self. The voice acting for everyone was top notch, hearing Sazed soothing voice again was a joy to listen to, the music was so fitting for the pacing and Wayne's collection of accents was beyond entertaining. And the voice acting for that final scene man! I wanted to hug Wax so hard.

You know, one of the many reasons I have never done drugs is because I was afraid I would see weird stuff. Like the mental picture I am getting from this thought experiment, for instance. Lol, this was mesmerizing in a pretty disturbing way. Well done crafting this thought experiment!

20 hours ago, Mistbreaker said:

 

 

Interesting. I will have to check the discord sometime. Maybe help out a bit with Coppermind too but I suspect I will spend more time there after I finally get the time to start the Stormlight archives in a massive binge. Still, thanks for the ideas! 

P.S. Heh, yeah, I love my name. Not that common around here either.

I am also hoping for Cosmere and Mistborn related specifically although I would be very surprised to see him write a short story set in that era before Lost Metal. Personally, I am hoping for a short story or novella shortly after the Catacendre, with Lord Spook and you know who (still unsure how to hide spoilers), culminating with you know who in the south. Barring that, maybe we will get short story follow up to SfSitFoH. There hasn't been much from that planet yet.

Sounds about right

If you don't mind me asking, what would you like the mystery book he is working on to be about? Last I checked the progress was at 75% so I am assuming we will get an announcement in the coming months.

I understand completely. It kind of makes me think of a response I hear Brandon Sanderson gave to someone that asked him what's his favorite character and he said something like "whoever I am writing at the moment." When it comes to him, the quality is so consistently great that no matter what book I read they are my favorite at least for a while. And that's not something I can say about most authors I know of.