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@ The Young Bard: I tried another browser, but it doesn't work. Seem to be a problem with mobile devices probably or with Android OS? @ Joe: I know that there is no access aside from adding interviews. Either way I'll stick to PC when I need something from Theoryland. Thank you anyway. edit ... now all is fully broken. I crashed it all O_o Okay, that looks better than with break-tags and an img-tag for a smilie.

Steris?

I had a similar question in mind concerning Nightblood. Or is that one already answered? Though I'd have asked whether Nightblood would dissolve as does an Elantrian. I am not "up to date", though. A follow up question would be if the same would happen with the *pool* on the Horneater Peaks. A question out of curiosity: why is your question about Adolin's Blade?

Though I don't have same the error as Alfa has I add my question here: I have bought a tablet, and tried to search on theoryland. Without success Neither when I click on a tag in the list nor when I use the search, I get any results. On the contrary I's always get the main page. I've never had that problem before though using different computers and different browsers. On the tablet I tried the default browser as well as chrome. Has anybody an idea? edit: It's an android tablet which I am not in any way used too yet.

Shai?

I admit that I didn't know until I've read Yatas post yesterday. I hope I'm not the only one to loose track of all the WoBs around every now and then. That said, I'd always appreciate links to (elder) WoBs or threads that some is referring to.

A glyph(ward)?

Peace?

I apologize for not seeing that you didn't mean it literally. What you are describing, isn't that mostly tied to Vorinism? I think I recall that in other countries on Roshar it's not the swords which are used by the upper class but the bow? Also I can imagine that not each and every Knight Radiant used the Shardblade as a sword but also changed between forms as did Kaladin. Though that is pure speculation. Back to the question, I think that the mentioned WoB states that an abandoned Shardblade-spren will 'freeze' in form of a Shardblade.

Thank you, DSC01, for providing the WoB. . . If Syl is right, and I'm assuming she is, Shardblades are not a 'gift of the Almighty' but are the idea and creation of the spren as Syl tells Kaladin: . Though, yes, one could argue that because the (some?) spren are splinters of Honor the Shardblades indirectly are 'a gift' of Honor. Not an intended gift, though. As for the form a shardblade-spren/spren-shardblade would take when the oath is broken, I think the WoB DSC provided is distinct. The base were the Honorblades, the imitation the Shardblades. That's their *natural* form, thus an abandoned spren-blade would reverse to a *dead* Shardblade, I'd think.

@Elantris I imagined that "old" and "tired of living" Elantrians use the pool to end their lives as for they don't die (probably changing to another plane [the Cognitive Realm?] from where they would move on to the "Beyond" which might be the same or part of the Spiritual Realm). Also the pool is a perpendicularity that can be used by worldhoppers to cross to the Cognitive Realm and back to the Physical Realm. I imagined that the Ire are not ones that were tired of their lives but came to the Cognitive Realm for the purpose they mention (i. e. not to go to the Beyond). I'm probably utterly wrong here and the Ire decided in a snap decision that their purpose changed and thus they stayed in the Cognitive Realm. That leads to @Intend I agree with echaozh though that rises the question which intend a dead inquisitor has? Here the intend seems to be at the surviving inquisitors which might have an idea or just a wish what might happen to the dead companion when thrown into the pool. The effect, though, of throwing the dead inquisitor in the Well seems to be the same as when Raoden and his friends put the old Elantrian in the Elantrian pool: dissolving. For the intend of the surviving inquisitors there's Fuzz's statementx that this action is meaningless (M:SH Part 1 Chapter 2). Getting back to Comatose's starting post, I think that it's meaningless because they don't have a soul anymore and their bodies just fade away in the Well. On the contrary I think that Vin's earring and the vials are -- as you said -- still invested. It can't be only about being a body or an object. Otherwise the clothes of those sunken in the Elantrian pool or the Well would remain (wouldn't they?). Even if anything (literally) has a soul (being represented in the Cognitive Realm) and thus is invested at least to a small amount, that of clothes (for example) is too small to withstand the consuming energy of the pools. That said, I'd think that Nightblood tossed into one of the pools would not vanish. xI am sure I saw that WoB but there's no chance of me finding it now. I'm confused now, if anybody can support or contradict my messed up memory, I'd be glad. Edit 2015-02-15: -- when I went home from work today it suddenly struck me that it's not been a WoB but that Fuzz told Kelsier, it's meaningless.

Could you please link that WoB?

As for nobody objected I took the three posts as quotes from the other thread to this one because I think it's better placed here. . . Your theory is prompting some additional questions that are not clarified (or canonized) yet. For example, when the Day of Recreance and the Scouring of Aimia happened, when the Shattered Plains were shattered, and such. Those would be off topic here. . I'm under the imagination that the Scouring of Aimia didn't happen that far back. . Do we agree that the Marabethians are "out of discussion?" . I apologize, I'm too tired for further thinking aside of probably things I have in mind.

Thanks to both of you. I might have an inkling now.

There was an identical answer from Peter once before, as can be read here. Might somebody declare what a "meta comment" is? I don't get it, sorry. My only imagination is that Peter meant it as the Long Trail is not part of the cosmere but only something on Roshar.

The only part I remember with Amaram and possible marriage is from the Prologue of WoR when Jasnah muses that her father would like her to marry Amaram. That was six years back, I know. Probably I just missed the part with Amaram's wife?

Most, probably, but not all. Elend (as well as his father's name Straff) are German words.1 I don't know a lot about French names though I tried to find out about "Marshal" as a prénom, uh, prename, but couldn't find something that fits. Marshal(l) is in French "Maréchal" and I've only found it as a last name. I might be nitpicking but it's not meant malicious.

ad 2. I've not thought about that yet but without much pondering I'd delete Amaram from the list. He's practically outlawed which, I'd think, would prohibit him rising as highprince. I see that it's been "only" Dalinar who'd judged Amaram yet but I'm rather sure Elhokar will back Dalinar up. Given that the queen runs the day to day business of Alethkar for the king staying on the Shattered Plains I'd guess that Ialai is the most potent candidate. She might be forced to marry again but until that happens I could see her as an interims highprince.

Hi Eco, I didn't intended to make you feel guilty because of off topic. Honestly, I don't know if there is "enough community interest" but I'd beg someone from the staff to move my previous message (that from today) and your answer to your other thread. IMHO that wouldn't be thread necroing but instead putting topics together. Let's see what the staff does and I'll think about a further answer in the meantime. Btw. I don't know that trilogy. 'Night

Thank you for your clarification. Did you post that theory somewhere else as an own thread also? If yes, could you link that thread? Be it as it is, I apologize for staying off topic in regard to the basic intention of this thread, daring to add some of my thoughts here. I see your points though I don't have made up an opinion about your idea yet. There are too much variables around, I'd say. No offense meant. As for the "eyes of red and blue" that "term" doesn't stem from the Marabathians's optic but from a (cruel) way of punishment. Sigzil tells about that in Chapter 40 in TWoK. I'll quote the paragraph but put it in spoiler tags (not because of potential spoiler-ism but because my quoting might be redundant). As for the Scouring of Aimia I understand "scouring" as an active thing, as in other people "scoured" Aimia from the Aimians, which seems also to have caused the dying of the lanceryn (TWoK Chapter 36). I kind of barely dare write that (given what is happening around our world) but I thought the scouring of Aimia has been more like a ethnic (or racist) cleansing. Though what caused that, I don't have any ideas. Where I want to go: I understand your theory more as the Scouring was something that was passively caused not actively. Thus I wouldn't agree about that with you at the moment. And thus there might be some wholes in your theory? I might -- how has Pathfinder put it -- be utterly and completely wrong, though. And if I misunderstood the meaning of a "Scouring" I'd appreciate help.

Thanks for your attempt to help. I'm curious if ecohansen will tell some clarification.

Please help me. I don't get any connection between those three events. From TWoK (I-5 and Chapter 36) I got the impression that the Scouring of Aimia is not that far back (a few generations at the most). The Purelake is not *new*. It's on the map of the Silver Kingdoms also, that means it existed prior to the Recreance. The Shattering of the Plains, though, also seems for me to be far more back in time than the Scouring of Aimia, though I admit that this is just a gut feeling. However, I need help to see the connection.

@gems and their origin: I dare remind you that the Davar's wealth came from (faked, but anyway) mining gems. If mining gems would not be usual on Roshar the Davars would have had no possibility to stay with that fake mines of them. Also it seems that at the moment (as in at the time when TWoK and WoR set in) the only means of getting large gems (aside of mining) seem to be the chasmfiends as other (known or accessible) greatshells were exterminated by the scouring of Aimia. At least that's how I understood it from (Jasnah? I honestly don't recall at the moment). Also it seems to me that chulls (for example) don't bear gems worth of rising chulls just for that purpose.

@Feather: I think it would be more clear what you want to show with that quote if you'd start it some paragraphs before you did: I've added some emphasizes to show what I mean: To Vin her loving Elend is the most important thing. His apparent decision is not to stay, hence Vin doesn't want to stay. Why should she part from Elend? She'd done her part and that's it. Also I think that Vin never was so driven to do her part than Kelsier was (what his motives have been is not important here). Vin didn't literally decide consciously to become a godlike hero. Kelsier on the other hand did. Thus it has been easy for Vin to put her love to Elend over the *greater good* (oh, how I hate that term). That is why she suggests that Kelsier has to learn a lot about love: Elend moves on, so she moves on. Her suggestion implies that Kelsier should also prioritize his love to Mare over his (selfish) wishes to stay meddling. Though I don't like Kelsier that much, in MSH a bit more than in TFE, I can see that his love to Mare hasn't the same weight for him as Vin's love to Elend has for her. Mare is long since dead, the emotions are more about his loss than the original love. I see that this sounds a bit like defending Kelsier which is not really my intention. I just think that this part of Vin-oh-I'm-so-serene-now doesn't really show Kelsier's selfishness. (Uhm, yes, I admit, I never liked Vin and that didn't change with her *last words*. That doesn't mean that her getting at Kelsier as shown in those previous quotes of Feather has no justification, on the contrary.)

Honestly, I'm not fond of Lift. For the same reasons I don't like Vin. I can't put my finger on it in a way to describe it, it's a gut feeling. . I do like Lopen, though, and would like to read more about him. I didn't see him as a comic relief character. (Not that I knew that term anyways. ) (I hope I got the distinction between being fond of somebody and like somebody correctly: being fond of is the stronger term?) . As far as it's about Hoid, I'd say he's not comparable to any other character we have met yet. He's very unique and an individualist. I'd never put him 'in the same sentence' with Lopen (even less with Lift). . Lift being in her early teens I'd say there is not much aging at least in the first five-books-arc of Stormlight Archive. I'd say she acted rather reasonable for a girl at her age.