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I think that it is mentioned in several scenes that the spheres they find in the chasms as bridgemen are infused, even though it takes several storms for the bodies to get pushed back, and would be long enough for at least some of them to go dun.

On 9/26/2022 at 6:08 AM, SpinningSky said:

This very well might be, though I feel that anything is little more than a guess if that's the only hint we have.

So to play devil's advocate:
Cultivation's voice has been described as sounding as "tumbling stones", which wouldn't line up, besides we can expect a Shard's "voice" to be more than "something distant", unless we state that Syl simply isn't attuned to it, which then would make it inaudible I think.
While I think Honor\Tanavast's voice, Syl would know and recognise immediatly, even if we accept that there was somehow some remainder of that in Kaladin.

A theory going around was that that "voice" was Tien's "call" towards a spren, it is WoB confirmed that Tien was in the process of becoming a Lightweaver.
It seems more likely to me that Syl could "hear" a bond in the making, I guess if anyone an Honorspren would.
Another option, if you don't accept that Syl would hear a Cryptic around as a 'Pure' song, is that there is some other special Connection in Kaladin's family, which would explain why both brothers were going to be Surgebinders, and could easily tie into future development for Horoden (possibly with ties to the "Champion Baby" theory).
That kind of sound makes me think of Lightspren as they do have this sort of communication with rythms apparently, but I'm not sure how it'd fit, either you could guess she showed up very very early to bond Horoden, or that Lirin himself was rejecting some kind of possible bond, but this is pure speculation.

 

What do you think?

 

This does not invalidate your point that Cultivation has had her plan going on for a long time and had a hand in all of this, I'm inclined to believe that actually.
 

I like the idea of Kaladins family having a special connection somehow. It seems to be a theme among surgebinders.

Thank you for the description of Cultivations voice, I couldn’t remember what it was described as. One possible explanation for the discrepancy could be that when humans hear Cultivation speak, they are hearing a physical sound/voice which could be altered through their Connection to Cultivation. We have seen examples of other Shards sounding different to different individuals. It would stand to reason that a Spren, hearing a shard through connections in the spiritual realm would sound different than the more physical voice a human would hear.

Hopefully at some point we will get some clarification on everything Cultivation has been up to.

I am currently rereading oathbringer. At the end of the sixth chapter Kaladin and Syl are having a discussion about how Syl can remember his family even if she had never met them, and how he knew her from before. In part of her reply she tells him that "there was... another voice. Pure, with a song like tapped crystal, distant yet demanding." Based on what we learned in Rhythm of War and the pure tones of Roshar, this could suggest that Cultivation had a subtle hand in pushing spren towards the first knights radiant. Does anyone else have an idea what this could mean?

4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I think there's a WoB that someone told Szeth something was coming, and far before the events of the Prologue (not that far, but Szeth wasn't that new to being Truthless).

Also I doubt the Blades are much affected by their Heralds... although are only real example is Jezrien who's a special case.

I was just going off the basis, that when Taln died, his blade with with. Now that the Oathpact is broken it could be a very different story.

1 minute ago, teknopathetic said:

Szeth was training  with the Shardblades, right? Maybe he saw Chana's blade return, but then that fact was covered up? The Stormfather/faker says "they cannot know", so maybe a cover-up was made to buy more time, and Szeth was made truthless.

I mean the blade should have disappeared when Chana died, not appeared.

10 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

I'm somewhat more curious as to what kickstarted these things. It seems like the Everstorm is a concentrated set of Voidish Investiture that the Fused can go to instead of Braize, but it still couldn't move over until a Herald died. My guess is Axindweth's Faction (the Ghostbloods? Maybe?) was trying to get Chana or another Herald to die... but that still doesn't explain how Shallan and Jasnah (and Gavilar) started bonding Radiant Spren before the threat of a Desolation began again.

It also doesn't explain how Szeth knew the desolation was coming, and how he became truthless, although I expect we will definitely see an answer to that in Stormlight 5

6 minutes ago, Pagerunner said:

Hoo, boy, I work on transcribing the thing, and I miss a whole bunch of pages of discussion. (Transcription is here, by the way. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/495-prologue-to-stormlight-book-five/#e15580)

I've got a few things back from my first post to expound on. First is the bit about Mishram that gets a little funky. Gavilar assumes that the "him" in "one who could rival him" is Thaidakar. But Mishram is the "other god." In contrast to whom? Not Thaidakar; the timelines don't work out, and also that's ridiculous. Odium? That's what seems to be implied by the Stormfather later. Or, perhaps, is it the Rider of Storms who betrayed the singers so long ago? And he's just lying to Gavilar again?

 

And second are the peculiar bits about the Stormfather's presentation to Gavilar, unlike how it manifested to Dalinar, that make me think there's something else going on, that perhaps a piece of Tanavast is hiding inside the Stormfather and manifesting himself on occasion. Note how the Stormfather sometimes acts human (Tanavast), sometimes inhuman (real Stormfather). And the way it says "I have decided," which is a task that Honor set the Stormfather upon. And the eyeless infinity, reminding me of other times people have come face-to-face with actual, full Shards. Oh, and the connection to the Oathpact. It was between Honor and the Heralds; the Stormfather had no place in it. Honor himself would feel the pain of a Herald death, not the Stormfather. Lots of little circumstantial things, but I think they're all pointing towards Honor, the Shard, being around a little more than we'd thought.

 

I think it makes a lot more sense for this shimmering human form to be a piece of Tanavast than it does to be the Herald Ishar. It would definitely explain the future sight. I would like to see Tanavast have more of an impact on current events.

4 minutes ago, duckbox said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall a highstorm happening during the prologue scene, or one being referenced on that day by anyone via any of the different editions of the prologue? 

Planning a huge feast on a day with a due highstorm seems a bit silly?

The Stormfather can only (apparently) send visions during a storm can he not?

I can't recall off the top of my head, but if there was a reference to one, it would most likely be in Eshoni's prologue. I don't think there was.

4 minutes ago, Rg2045 said:

I think this is the stormfather, the reason that he’s much more “dogmatic” or “ridged” is because of his interactions with gavalar. So he makes himself appear less flexible, and more “like a storm” to Dalinar. To have more power in their bond, so to speak. 
This does feel right. We have seen the stormfather do things that a “normal storm spren” wouldn’t do. Rather it be attacking kaladin in visions, to actually consider being a merciful storm. I think he is selling Dalinar short on what he (stormfather) can do.

that leads to a different question tho. Can the stormfather ascend into honor?

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3 minutes ago, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

will we be able to order the books separately in 2024? does anyone know that?

I would imagine eventually they would try to publish them separately like the have done for edgedancer and dawnshard, but he did not specifically say that I heard.

Just now, Thaidakar the Ghostblood said:

he did not say that specifically if I remember correctly.

So we still have possibility of something set in the third culture on sel, or something similar.

29 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

THREE Cosmere novels set on world's we haven't seen yet! 2023 will be the Cosmere year with this and maybe SA 5. The anti-2021 :).

They met the ksickstarter goal in like 30 minutes lol. For a kicstarter that no one was expecting that's pretty great. 

Did he specifically say that they were on world's we haven't seen or just with characters we haven't seen?

You know as I read the exchange from Dalinar and Evi, I think you could also claim that it could also be foreshadowing for the battle of champions.

On 5/25/2021 at 1:15 PM, Honorless said:

We were told 'Ado', in the case of Roshar, meant 'light' (and 'Lin' means 'born unto'). Given that Ba-Ado-Mishram was apparently integral to all Roshar and its spren, since her imprisonment is suspected to have played a part in the Recreance spren to turn into Deadeyes and possibly also affected the Singers' ability to hear the Rhythms and the Sibling's ability to create Towerlight. She was a spren of Roshar before Odium Corrupted her, and Roshar was created by Adonalsium, so I don't think she was his enemy.

Adonalsium does sound like a godmetal name but it seems to refer to the individual and his godmetal appears to have been called 'Dragonsteel'.

I do think that it is interesting though that Ado means light, and the way that people most commonly experience the power of adonalsium on Roshar is throught light. I still that their is room for a connection there.

On 5/30/2021 at 6:59 AM, RedBlue said:

The problem I have with Odium directly fabricating the Tranquiline Halls belief is that it seems to be an Alethi-only belief. The fact that the rest of Roshar doesn’t seem to have afterlife war myths suggests to me that it’s a naturally occurring religion, and Odium isn’t behind it.

I think one could make the argument, that if Odium was behind the thrill, and the thrill was behind the war culture of the alethi people, then in a round about way he really would behind the naturally occuring religion.

On 6/21/2021 at 2:07 PM, TheCruelSadist said:

My head canon for now is that Rayse's "greater war" was pure BS.  He got trapped in the Rosharan system like a punk so he made up a story about how he totally wanted the people from this system for his army, you know?  That's why he's here (cause he could definitely bust out whenever he wants), it's cause he needs his army 

That's what Rayse has been putting in his letters to Bavadin, "sorry just a few more millennium to finish preparing my army, and I'll be on my way over."

I personally like the idea that we could see a major set back for our heroes at the conclusion of book 5, and I feel like it would be thematically appropriate for the thing that could have saved them show up and the end, leaving us all sitting on for the next 5+ years til stormlight 6. 

2 hours ago, Leuthie said:

Given the large gap between books, I'm leaning toward Stormlight 5 ending with a big relief, all pressing conflicts resolved, etc. However, the resolution will come at a huge cost with irrevocable change that will foreshadow the conflict for the back 5. Based on Death Rattles, both the Highstorm and the Everstorm will be stopped, leaving Roshar without a source of Stormlight and crem, but free of Odium with Humans and Singers united. A new, completely different challenge heading into the break, and an end to the conflict that defined the first 5 books.

I think that would be good as well. Playing with the idea of "We won, but at what cost" Sounds very much like a Brandon Sanderson theme. I also am pretty sure many of our main front five characters will be stepping out/ dying at the end of book 5. 

I think its interesting what you are saying about the end of the Highstorm and Everstorm being told in the death rattles. I had never thought of it that way, but now that you say it it makes a lot of sense.

22 hours ago, mathiau said:

The Night of Sorrow

I am a really big fan of the idea that Stormlight 5 ends with a big loss for team radiant. Issuing in the night of sorrows right then would be an amazing conclusion to the front five.

2 hours ago, bookspren said:

What if it was Gavinor?

My only problem with Gavinor or any other child, is that Gavinor wouldn't be able to loose because Dalinar or whoever wouldn't be able to kill him, but he also as far I can tell would be unable to win, so it would just create an endless contest, and Odium wouldn't gain what he wants anyway.

On 12/31/2020 at 6:22 AM, Harrycrapper said:

Something to note: there has been a death rattle for each of Kaladin's oaths so far, so it's likely his 5th Oath is predicted in one of the other deathrattles. The Shardcasters(Evgeni in particular) think this is the most likely one: 

 

Yeah Just today I listened to that shardcast. I think it works well.

So In Way of Kings we get this death rattle,

“In the storm I awaken, falling, spinning, grieving. ”

In 2018 Brandon stated that we had not yet seen this death rattle on screen. 

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/369-skyward-san-francisco-signing/#e11616

I am pretty sure that this Death Rattle referred to the Scene when Kaladin jumped out of the window to save Lirin. He is falling without full use of his powers, grieving the loss of Teft, In the middle of a high storm. When he swears the forth oath he awakens to the height of his power. We also know that this is a scene that Brandon has been planning for a long time.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/452-youtube-livestream-23/#e14518

I think it all fits,

Thoughts?

I want moash to realize what he has done and to feel the pains of his desisions, and truly suffer, right before he is run through with a shardblade.

Another interesting Idea about this question, is the question if nightblood has what we would consider emotions. It has its intent to destroy evil, but past that it doesn't seem to have emotions past that. I suppose even if you could push on its emotions it would really have an affect. 

I feel like as far as an In world term goes, Rosharans arent going to have different names for all the orders of spren, because they really arent that spren aware. They are learning more, but we can assume that In World a term already exists, (even if Brandon hasnt decided what it is yet) I also doubt the would use a very Cosmere aware term. I would suggest a Manifest of spren or a muster of spren

9 hours ago, The_Truthwatcher said:

Not exactly, once you burn the atium, the bit of Ruin goes away to coalesce in the Pits of Hathsin. The power is stored somewhere in the meantime, someplace that Ruin can't access

I agree with what you are saying, as far as I know we have no knowledge of Atium forming after Ruin was freed, it is possible that he started talking it back to himself slowly, which is why the stash of Atium was so important, because it was trapped in the PR. This wob below showes that the power, is in the SR before it enters the pits, but I think it is safe to assume that the second you burn it it would not be in the SR (at least not if a form that Ruin could absorb) or he would have won when the burned all the atium. 

Viper (paraphrased)

The gemhearts/stormgems/whatever that are grown inside the beasts in Way of Kings ... is that the same as the way atium is grown inside geodes in the Pits of Hathsin?

Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

It's similar. The Pits are an area where there's like a leak from the Spiritual Realm into the Physical. That's what happens there.