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Do people think the Radiants Shardplate gives them increased physical abilities? I personally don’t think it would increase physical strength any further than what they can already do. I think in bestows other advantages though armor protection for one Shardplate is the toughest stuff around period. The ability to summon it supposedly from anywhere which has several implications we know it is made from lesser spren, so once a knight gets his shard plate is that permanent meaning he summons it from Shadesmar each time which IMO where it would be kept when not being worn. The other idea is if lesser spren form each time to make it in which case the radiant could summon Shardplate and modify it a little like the Sly spear. Since the Shardplate glows and is made out of spren would that give them a unlimited supply of stormlight so Kaladin would always be 100% max out on stormlight, or does it act like a regulator so it helps reduce the stormlight required to perform the same feats. Kaladin has been using 15-20% more stormlight than is necessary to fly etc so the plate acts as a regulator cutting his consumption down drastically making him 100% more efficient. Do you think Radiants can give birth have a family etc?

I feel the romance lacked depth and character it wasn’t flushed out but rushed and glossed over. I’ve read many of your posts and you seem opinionated but you come off as very aggressive in your comments and have a tendency to generalize or read into something where nothing is there. I never said those that don’t agree with me are wrong you seem to take extremes in a lot of posts. IMO the relationship AS IT IS NOW feels cheap maybe as we see more my view will change, and I also think that we only focus on Kaladin/Shallan/Adolin so much because they have more chapters dedicated to them are closer in age and Kaladin doesn’t really have any other close female companion. Jasnah is a interesting character by herself but she is older aka has more back history and is fully grown mentality but is still a unknown quantity. Kaladin and Shallan are still pretty young still evolving mentality so we don’t know what type of people they may become maybe later they become more like brother and sister maybe best friends hell maybe Kaladin dies in book 5 really doubt it but who knows. I mean these are my opinions just like you have yours, but don’t disregard my opinions while touting yours as fact just because YOU DONT THINK THE FORESHADOWING is there doesn’t mean it isn’t or less important than you think. Do I think people read too much into stuff sometimes yeah I do but THAT DOEST MEAN NOTHING IS THERE.

I mean I wasn’t implying anything was wrong with being gay or bisexual I just didn’t remember if it was ever addressed why his relationships never worked. I don’t hate them being together but the relationship as it stands right now is definitely rushed between book one and book 3 only 6-8 months have passed. Book 4 will take place a year later and book five a year after that and then a 10-15 year time skip, and Shallan is what 19-20 with severe mental and emotional problems it’s not painting a pretty picture. I don’t particularly like the relationship true but you do because you like Adolin and choose to ignore foreshadowing it’s too Cinderella too fairy tale black and white. You expect me to believe two people while everything else is going on fall in love with each other and want to get married that quickly I don’t bye it. Going back to your quote Shallan is a radiant and he isn’t and BS has stated that Adolin will never be one, so if that isn’t the definition of he is afraid of not being good enough for them so he subconsciously sabatoges the relationship I don’t know what is at this point. I agree relationships will take back sent to the plot but the scenes between Dalinar and Navani are tastefully done and some or most are very important to the overall narrative. IF Shallan and Kaladin do get together which am not saying it’s written in stone she could very well end up like Jasnah or end up staying with Adolin but it will be an extremely rough ride it will not happen until books 6-10. I don’t expect them to get a divorce or break up in book 4 or 5 my guess would be near the end of book 6 or 7 or during the time skip that 10-15 year period.

Well I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to compare the two yet. Kelsier has more experience and pretty much at the peak of his power. Kaladin still has a way to go but getting there he has two more oaths. Each oath a radiant says gives them more power the 4th oath will give them Shardplate. It will also go three ways or some combination of them more oaths directly impact how much stormlight they can draw, they will be able to metabolize stormlight more efficiently so they can a lot less for the same results and maybe even increased abilities strength etc, or the Shardplate gives them a endless supply of stormlight. The fifth oath increases their lashing power and range so Kaladin won’t have to physically touch an object to do a reverse lashing might be able to stick enemies to the floor without contact IMO

People always say Shallan this and that but there are two people in the relationship. I honestly think Adolin might divorce Shallan he seems to be consistently overwhelmed anytime Shallan or Kaladin do radiant things, and it might start taking a toll on him. On a branch off topic I think it’s weird that he couldn’t sense the spheres in Shadesmar maybe post skip he becomes champion of Odium father like son etc. Anyway maybe over time and working together he gets closer to Azure and realizes she complements him better. I think it’s an alternative I mean one of the only reasons they were betrothed to each other is because he basically exhausted all other options. We still don’t know why his other relationships never worked out do we? Maybe he is secretly impotent or gay bisexual etc just saying I never think BS said why his relationships don’t work.

My take on it is BS wouldn’t put so much foreshadowing in these books if something wasn’t going to happen between Kaladin and Shallan. I don’t think a wedding that was glossed over unlike Dalinar and Navani would put a end to the possibility. Now am not saying Kaladin will marry Shallan but something will happen he purposefully glanced over many interactions between the two that could have taken place. Book four will take place a year or so after book three supposedly the same is true of book 5, and book 6 will take place 10-15 years later so obviously if they did get together in would be in that period or later on in book 6-10. I think the only reason myself included that we push Kaladin and Shallan so much is Kaladin is really never seen interacting with any other women. He has a ton of foreshadowing with her, but I wouldn’t mind if he got with Azure or Jasnah either the important thing to me if his character is happy. Same with Shallan, I don’t really care if she’s stays with Adolin or breaks up and later on decides she does love him and goes back. Dalinar is Kaladin he will go on and get his own wife and Shallan might even give birth to Adolin children but nothing is set in stone till book 9-10.

We know right now that Shallan has basically ignored the advice of everyone, and she has been lying to herself since the start of Oathbringer. Her personas have started taking over forming their own distinct personalities, but Shallan refuses to acknowledge that all of them make up a part of who she really is denial my name is Shallan. IMO she doesn’t love Adolin for one she doesn’t love herself she hates herself so how can she love anyone with that mentality. She is at this point still too naive and childish throughout Oathbringer in the first part she seemed to mature some, but by the end had regressed IMO. Shallan took two or three steps forward and then next took two steps back. How do you think her relationship with Adolin will fair do you think she will end up staying and eventually really fall in love with him, or do you think they will break up and she will eventually end up like Jasnah maybe post time skip end up with Kaladin? Now please correct me if am wrong but Shallan at this point has only said two truths of the needed four while I believe everyone else besides Venli and Eshonai (since they are REALLY NEW) has said three and four of their oaths. Shallan out of the original main characters seems to be lagging behind quite a bit compared to the others. What IYO are the truths Shallan have to say in order to progress and become a full knight radiant?

We don’t always get what we want am not saying Adolin will necessarily become a king but no one will stay the same throughout the series. Adolin will eventually have to step it doesn’t really matter what he wants the postion he is in and his family will push him to lead. Arthur never wanted to be king and have power he did it because he realized he had the power to improve peoples lives in his country. Am saying I see two choices with him either he will eventually have to accept responsibility and become a general of the army a coalition made up of other nations. He becomes king or high king etc. This new responsibility puts his life with Shallan on the back burner and takes a toll on their relationship. A life without responsibility is maybe what he wants but he will not get it. I think the relationship between all three can have parallels between Arthur, Guinevere and Lancelot but it also mirrors Gavilar, Navani and Dalinar a combination of the two.

All orders have a primary and secondary attribute with the Wind Runners it’s protecting and leading. It’s not just about saying it but living by it accepting it into your essence. I will kill those I love for the greater good, I will set down my burden lead men to die into battle and be a beacon of hope to those that have none. I will sacrifice those I love for the greater good, I will honor the dead protect the living and kill those I hate if they deserve it. Protect those that I can kill those who deserve it and give me wisdom to know which ones.

IMO the dynamic between the three are very similar to the dynamic we see in several Arthurian stories. Adolin since book one is regarded as a pillar of virtue he is handsome, honest, truthful, lawful, compassionate etc. Shallan is still very young and naive and has tons of emotional problems and not IMO ready emotional for marriage. Guinevere never believed she was truly good enough for Arthur same with Shallan. Shallan even stated how Adolin deserves someone better than her that she would create a perfect persona to be a perfect wife worthy of him. Arthur’s problem was he was so busy being a good king and knight that he was never there for Guinevere as just her husband and partner that he couldn’t provide the emotional and physical connections that she needed. Lancelot was a better knight than Arthur of almost supernatural skill he was very loyal to Arthur who was his friend and king. He also knew of course Guinevere who he also loved and respected and they were at first glance very attracted to each other. Overtime the relationship starts taking a burden with Lancelot keeping his distance and trying to rationalize and deny thinking it’s not pure and a betrayal. IMO that screams Kaladin with him sequestering himself from his home up in the sky alone trying to kept his thoughts preoccupied so not to think about it not wanting to express his feelings because he is trying to be respectful and likes both of them. Now again IMO, I don’t think either one of them are ready for a serious relationship they both have lots of work to do before that happens. I don’t think BS would put so much foreshadowing into something between them and just throw it all away with a wedding that was glossed over is not a satisfying conclusion to the dynamic this trio shares. Now whether they eventually get together I don’t know but Shallan is not a whole person mentally she is in a bad place and right now and instead of confronting the problem she is running from it like always and using Adolin as a crutch because he feels safe. I don’t think having two main characters getting together is cliché or trope if presented with the right story Journey before Destination etc. Somone on another post basically said putting two main characters in a romantic relationship just becuase they are main characters is bad, but trying to bend the story around and take a left turn to keep them apart when the author have been doing lots of foreshadowing etc is worse. It’s basically saying everything you read was worthless inconsequential when dealing with their character development. I stress the fact though that both Shallan and Kaladin are broken and as they swear their oaths and speak their truths start healing and start becoming whole. I would rather Kaladin and Shallan be truly happy as a character than be forced into a relationship against their characterization, but I feel Kaladin would be better long term Adolin helps stabilize now but she needs personal growth to improve. It probably will not happen till the time skip 15 years when they are both so much older Kaladin 38ish and Shallan 34ish and more mature and experienced wise but eventually I think they will get together.