Oxblood Beagle

I'm cautiously suspicious of Meerkat's Seeker claim. It can be reasonably faked with the Tineye message being identifiable that it came from Gecko, and it's also inconsistent with his D2 behavior, where he suspected Gecko to be an elim

@Salmon Meerkat @Taupe Gecko Did y'all ever communicate in PMs throughout the last cycle?

Updated version of this: Alive 1. Dragonfly - Lurcher 2. Axolotl - Lurcher 3. Zebra - Lurcher 4. Weasel - Lurcher 5. Toucan - Coinshot 6. Octopus - Coinshot 7. Rhinoceros - Mistborn 8. Flamingo - Kandra -> Seeker 9. Beagle - Mistborn (Seeker N1 - Albatross) 10. Heron - Kandra 11. Gecko - Mistborn (Tineye C2) 12. Dingo 13. Albatross - Vanilla 14. Lion 15. Chameleon 16. Meerkat - Seeker (N1 - Gecko, N2 - Zebra) Dead 1. Elephant - V!Mistborn 2. Iguana - E!Kandra 3. Crocodile - E!Rioter 4. Kangaroo - E!Seeker I'm inclined to agree if just going by what we know already. There's multiple Mistborn that can have Seeking powers, a Kandra that can steal a Seeker, etc. But will need to think more on it, especially with how people have behaved and whether it makes sense that they're elim socially

Quite possible, I think some roles are easier to fakeclaim than others and they could probably hide there. Uncertain which ones though because this distro is looking crazy

@Mint Heron Since most info is out in the public now, I think I'll add to the madness lol I'm Mistborn and seeked @Magenta Albatross on N1 and he's Loyalist Vanilla

Probably two protects would be enough? ... though with Meerkat's reveal, that does make me more inclined to exe Octo here

... uh what

What has been claimed/known publicly currently: (for people who later see this madness...) Alive 1. Dragonfly - Lurcher 2. Axolotl - Lurcher 3. Zebra - Lurcher 4. Weasel - Lurcher 5. Toucan - Coinshot 6. Octopus - Coinshot 7. Rhinoceros - Mistborn 8. Flamingo - Kandra -> Seeker 9. Beagle 10. Heron 11. Gecko 12. Dingo 13. Albatross 14. Lion 15. Chameleon 16. Meerkat Dead 1. Elephant - V!Mistborn 2. Iguana - E!Kandra 3. Crocodile - E!Rioter 4. Kangaroo - E!Seeker Unknowns - Tineye Mistborn - Coinshot / Mistborn that shot Axolotl N1

What if multiple Lurchers protected Flam?

I'll wait for what Toucan says for what they did N1, but for the moment, I'm fine with sticking to resolving Zebra, then we can just have Flamingo be protected tonight while they Seek Octo (though I guess a worry is that if there is an e!Smoker, which would just muddle that information)

I can kinda see a world where the elims left are just Octo and Rhino. And that the reason why they were against Octo being exe'd was not because they were planning to steal a v!Coinshot, but to protect their own Coinshot. It's not something I believe in atm, but it is a possibility

@Onyx Flamingo Omg I thought others had caught on to your softclaim because you had said that Toucan is v with full certainty that I figured you must have been the Kandra turned Seeker. And in a different post, you asked it like, why wouldn't I know (what Toucan's role is) if (I checked them)? @Indigo Weasel Can I ask what made you decide to claim? From earlier actions, I had thought you were opposed to people claiming roles Feels like things suddenly went into overdrive LOL

What did I return to...

Fair point. It's possible that they felt that Octopus had looked suspicious enough from their claim that they thought they didn't need to participate in that and count on the village to do it for them Can you explain more on why it being one-directional means that it's less suspicious? I don't think it's entirely out of the possibility that all of the Mistborn are village Currently, we're working with the assumption that the Village roster is stacked, so the Elim roster should also match that for the purpose of balancing. In my current distro solve, I think two among E!Kandra, E!Smoker, and E!Lurcher makes the most sense. I find that having a Mistborn in the team, given what we already know, would be quite underpowered since it's a role that heavily relies on chance and what the elim rolls has a higher chance of not being helpful in that cycle. I think a 4 Kandra distro is possible (2 on each side) and it's basically a high skill level distro where each side has to work hard to protect its more important PRs, and for the elims also, to find the best people to target. The Mistborns serve as interference since they're not as high-power roles due to their variability (and to spice things up a little instead of just having so many vanilla) Can you explain more on what the intention of the elims would be in directing Toucan to vote Axo during the night? I caught that too initially (elims poke-voting each other in Kangaroo and Iguana), and thought it just happened to be a coincidence, but perhaps there might be more intention behind it

I realized I don't think I had explained my v!read on Rhino in thread, so I'm going to explain it again here and there were also some additional points that I had thought about earlier - On D1, your perspective was that Rhino is an elim that froze during a very chaotic EoD. My perspective is that Rhino is a villager who was trying to spend the last hour or so catching up and wanted to at least share some thoughts before the day is over. In a world where Rhino is elim, Rhino would not be spending that time writing both RP and some analysis. Instead, when they see there's posts popping up, they would be looking at it and then going over to the elim doc to try and figure out with their teammates if they could/should do something. So, in a way, I see Rhino's post there being their alibi that they weren't off in the elim doc (probably panicking) during that period. - On D2, we know that Iguana is Kandra and also was one of the detractors against the Octo wagon. Iguana (and the elims) would have wanted to nab the Coinshot. Iguana defended Octo because Octo flipping v! would raise alarm bells on the people who voted for it and they wouldn't want that if Iguana were to inherit it. So Iguana did defend Octo, but he never did it that strongly. Compared to Iguana's defense, Rhino also defended Octo, but in a more thorough manner, actively looking into Octo's prior behavior and actions to serve as evidence that leans toward Octo being v! If they are elims together, I don't see both of them fighting hard against Octo's exe, since Octo getting exe'd would be an ideal outcome (especially after having lost 2 of their own already)

I'm hesitant to give Zebra a v!read based on being the isolated vote on Crocodile. While Crocodile did cop some early votes, I don't think they were ever in serious contention for being the exe on D1. Between the three elims we know of (Crocodile, Iguana, Kangaroo), if there was a teammate to distance from, Crocodile would be the safest. I see, and Iguana being revealed as a Saboteur doesn't make Toucan look better?

Still piecing through things in my head, but I had something I wanted to clarify more from both Zebra and Rhino @Quartz Zebra Both Iguana and Toucan were on your elim reads. What made you switch over to Toucan over Iguana? @Plum Rhinoceros The post here suggests that you think there's something that's suspicious with both Toucan and Iguana. However, between the two, you had a slight reason to v!lean Toucan. So, my question is, what made you choose to not move off Toucan?

Hmmm interesting Yeah, I'm feeling a bit confused with the distro atm Going to start with Quartz Zebra today

Atm I'm thinking E/V/V

Omg

V reading Tross atm

Stated my reasons in this post below (actually realized the quotes don't show up when quoting, so better to scroll up a little instead to the original post)

@Ivory Dragonfly Reread Iguana's D1 and I agree that it's really hard to ignore how they behaved, especially with regards to Kanga In the first two quoted posts, Iguana questions Meerkat's vote on Kangaroo. Maybe it's nothing too deep, but I can see it as a subtle attempt to defend Kangaroo and prevent it from gaining momentum early In the third quote, Iguana moves off Kanga after Weasel makes a case for elim!Kanga, potentially to avoid making Kanga a valid counterwagon during EoD. I don't agree that this is a genuine attempt to make a counterwagon on Octo (hence why I also don't see Rhino as suspicious as they did only post at the very end). However, the line about finding Axolotl to be a more compelling vote and then not going on it comes across to me as a bit TMI. Like, they parked their vote here and then they assumed that Axl will be the exe (who is most likely v! given Croc's switch to them). Not being a part of the voters takes a little responsibility off of them since they didn't actually vote that way and people would likely be more inclined to direct their attention towards people on the wagon So yeah, I think I will vote Saffron Iguana here because I think I would like to resolve them before the other three that I had previously mentioned. However, I'm open to switching to Toucan if the Octo train is rather close for it to potentially go through with Rioting/Seeking powers

To Flamingo, thank you for the answers. I'm still not fully convinced, but I do think you explained some of your actions fairly and I'm willing to re-evaluate To Dingo and Rhino, I'm rereading on some of their posts and see that some of their posts do come across as earnest and genuine (partly, I also feel like I'm getting a better idea of who Flamingo is and think this is consistent with how I see them as village) Onyx Flamingo

That's fair, I'll think on it more later today And by within the three people, do you mean two are elim or two are village? Or something entirely different Can you say more why you think Rhinoceros is suspicious?