Onyx Flamingo

"Wit! sometimes you claim to be a competent Wit, then you say that you are only giving us "dull" insults? Aren't you already expected to be productive in at least some senses of the word? Isn't that expected of everyone in the palace?"

Liss, having walked around the hall half a dozen times, and having analized everyone there, who they are talking to, and their hair styles, didnt know what to do with herself for the time being. She walked out of the hall to get away from the people and get a bit of fresh air.

Liss felt that it was about time to take a break from shadowing the nobles and see what the beggars saw from this situation. Just about to go get rid of her platter, she noticed a Shin. Funny... Reminds me of the servant I had a couple of weeks ago. I wonder what a Shin is doing here. Liss walks over to the Shin fellow. "Brightlord, is there something you need? Why is it you are not enjoying the celibration? Out of character: Of course you would say that. You are playing Nale. And it is unfair. It makes sense that Jasnah would propose something like that. As for me, I don't care either way as I am playing Liss. As long as it doesn't affect me. : ) (Seriously though, I agree. This game will be a lot less fun if we lynch people based on the book rather than what happens here)

Liss, wearing the clothing of a serving woman, brings around glasses of wine to the nobility. she double checks who is in the room, and what potential weapons they might have, before approaching. She hesitates at the sight of Wit... She doesn't want to draw too much attention to herself, and he might create a spectacle. Grabbing a new platter of drinks, she walks far around Wit, and continues towards King Gavilar and Amaram.

Continuing my relationship analysis Dragonfly =/= Axolotl This post and there recent interactions with each other lead me to believe that they both can't be elims Scorpion =/= Vulture ?? this one may be a bit of a stretch but on the first day I can't believe that an elim would vote for another elim with all the various targets available and the unpredicatbleness of a day 1 lynch. I did put question marks cause im not sure but I thought it was worth noting. Side note: I found the following interesting while rereading but it is a side line of thought: Questionable posts: Well I need to post this before end of cycle but if I die maybe continue doing this and see who beat the war drums for beagles head since I think the Elims worried about him thats all i can think of that might give clues right now. Edit: also day 3 vote trends might be interesting to look at

yeah it is a terrible asumption thats why I'm just saying they can't BOTH be elims. they could both be villager but they cant both be elims. I'm hoping if I make enough of those it will help us narrow down suspects because for instance if I had you listed 13 times with different people that couldn't be elims if you were then I could probably conclude that you aren't an elim

If I die here are my thoughts though i am at a bit of a loss to be honest. I am suspicious of Axo a little because of the voting system and it feels like just made up numbers to me without understanding the logic to them. But... and this isn't really fair to current Axo, I am suspicious because of what Axo 1.0 did. he threw around a couple of votes willy nilly and then made this post So on the one hand he wanted to keep the votes tied but on the other he spoke out against the gecko lynch... with that and the infamous post I am suspicious of axo but it's hard to put into words. Trying something new I am going to go back into the thread and try to determine who is most likely not both elims Scorpion =\= crocodile since scorpion brought crocodile out and there was a bit of attention brought on both of them this doesn't feel like it is staged to me so I dont think they both can be elims Toucan =/= Albatross this one with an accusal a defense then a counter accusal definately make me believe that toucan and albatross are not both elims. Zebra=/= Ostritch Zebra goes hard for ostritch this day! definately not both elims. I will try to post more commentary before end of cycle but I have to go to bed now.

I swear if if this game is so troll that there is literally no elims or something like that I will be furious.

0% of course. I know I'm Village so I didn't add my stats into the system. But if you were to use your system to rate yourself doing whatever calculations what would it say?

In the conversation I said I was suspicious of Rhino and Swan but I didnt have anything concrete on them. I then said that Axo did feel off somehow but I didn't want to switch my vote after I just barely voted for gecko (man looking over this I have a horrible track record for my gut... ). Beagle said if axo flips elim then it would be alright. I was going to bring this up once we see what weasel turns up but in the conversation I mentioned that I saw weasel online and I wanted to see what he said in the thread before deciding whether to change my vote to axo for self preservation or not because earlier weasel said: so I was hoping that he would take his vote off me once he posted... which he did in this post Well they trying not to lynch person whom they think that probably villager... What reasons you have to not trust them more than to anyone else in this game? If I remember right it's not the first time when you stating that counteracting to them(or atleast counteracting to Beagle). If you think that Beagle or Albatross is elim why not lynch them then you would know that Flamingo is probably also elim... I absolutely don't understand what you trying to achieve. Swan. After that post Albatross said he thought weasel made a good point and that he was surprised he didnt think of that. Beagle then said he noticed Axo was online and would probably vote for me in self preservation so I probably should vote for him in self preservation. I said I wanted to see what he had to say first which is when Axo posted that message. After that we talked about worrying about Axo in real life and hoping he is ok and whether we should move our votes. Beagle suggested we move the votes to swan and was talking to elephant (who wasn't in this original PM) and was suggesting he do the same. We then expressed that we really hoped that swan flipped elim and albatross pointed out that the elims would use this flop against us tomorrow. I was going to share this thought once I knew weasel was elim or not but if weasel was elim someone in the PM group could have tipped him off to take the vote off of me to gain some mode of trust in the PM group because better to kill a distrusting villager than trusting one. It would also expalin why weasel waited so long ot take the vote off of me after his original post saying he thought I was just a new player. Of course if weasel is village these suspicions are moot but thats what I was currently thinking. @Sunburst Toucan hopefully that gives you enough details. Edit: I forgot to mention that Nolan(dragonfly) was not on during most of this as he had school or track or something so he was not an active participant in any of this real time until after the cycle ended.

So if I counted right this is the current vote tally: Weasel(6): Dragonfly, Ostrich, Scorpion, Kangaroo, Axolotl, Chameleon everyone else(0): Yeah sorry I wasn't on earlier I had to replace my modem last night. that being said with the vote count the way it is it seems like everyones minds are already made up. I personally don't know how weasel will flip, I could see it going either way, and I don't really have a better candidate in mind to propose yet. I do agree that the elims seem to be targeting the villagers who are near less activity or only slightly more active. Not sure why yet. As for otehr reasons they could have targeted rhino there was only a vote on Toucan that was removed later in the cycle. Oh and while I was going through his posts I found this @Azure Mouse That's fair. And I did end up missing the end of cycle (I got on only a few minutes before, and cycle closed as I caught up on the last dozen posts). I'll do that this next cycle. So don't forget to do it today it was one of Rhinos last requests interesting, So Axolotl according to your system what are your percentages?

Haha ... good point I didn't think of how catch 22 that logic is.

Ah ok I thought maybe it was some random NPC we could lynch or something but if that is the GM's flavor character then I guess that makes sense. I let the RP get to me to much I guess haha. If I can't vote for Narg then the only Hesitancy I have is that lynching weasel seems like it is too easy right now and no-one cares if we do it... maybe I'm thinking way to meta but wouldn't an elim try to protect weasel? I mean weasel if he is a villager it wouldn't do us much harm to lynch him since he is inactive but it wouldn't help us get closer to killing the elims if he is village either and since we have dwindled in numbers drastically I guess I'm starting to get worried that soon they won't even need to hide from us.

Work is pretty busy right now so i will try to post later tonight but I wont be able to be as active as i have been. Ok according to my count there is 17 of us left and the most common theory I have heard is that there are 6 elims which would make it 11 to 6. Now weasel hasn't logged in since Friday so I guess I would like to know if he has a pinch hitter, or if somehow he has been considered active enough that he hasn't gotten one. Maybe it is foolish of me, but I just can't imagine an elim going inactive especially in this game where things are going so well for them. Also is it a possibility to lynch Narg?

Isee how it could look that way but after I was the first to accuse meerkat yesterday and he untimately got lynched I don't trust my suspicions as much as i once did.

The only thing I don't like about voting for weasel is that he hasn't been online for over 24 hours now.... and maybe he is just viewing the thread with his other account, bu I think an elim would be more active than that i don't know. I think what he is saying is that you haven't been adding much new information to the discussion which means it isn't helpful to the discussion. I don't think he meant it to be offensive or anything. I think he was just trying to point out that he would like to see more of your thought process of how you are voting that is all. I will cast my vote for Weasel for now because if he can't be bothered to show up in the last 24 hours I can't think of a reason a villager would do that besides RL but I can think of reasons an elim might try to appear inactive. That paired with the fact that several days ago weasel was the first to vote for swan not beagle which no-one brought up at all when everyone was accusing beagle of swinging everything.

Sorry Guys that I have taken so long toplace a vote this cycle I have just been kind of waffling between multiple candidates and whether I should start a new vote or not. At this time it looks like most of the town thinks that weasel or scorpion are suspicious and if I vote for someone else at this point I don't think it would do much unless there was a major swing in the last 4 hours... but I don't really want that to happen because I feel like both of these guys are possible elims with hopefully one of them being an actual elim. I'm still; not sure which of them to vote for so if someone could share with me and the group of pros and cons in their mind between these two choices it would probably help me make a decision.

When Squawk finsished with her breakfast and took a nap she was surprised to see that the town was already deep in discussion about multiple candidates just as she hoped! She still didnt see @Sapphire Elephant, @Indigo Weasel , @Plum Rhinoceros, and a few others at this meeting but it seemed like an improvement in participation for sure. She tried to get caught up on everyone's current arguments before she contributed and hoped to see a vote from @Amber Vulture and @Quartz Zebra. "Ok as far as the vote counts go right now this is what I have scratched out as the current vote count correct me if I am wrong" As Squawk finished drawing in the dirt: Weasel(3): Axolotl, Dragonfly, Chameleon, Crocodile Dragonfly(1): Scorpion Scorpion(2) Falcon, Kangaroo Vulture(1): Heron Albatross(2): Ostrich, Toucan "We are way more spread out which will hopefully mean we get a better discussion as we try to convince each other of a most likely elim" Squawk honked nasally. "As for who I am voting for I am in a bit of a toss up. I would like to vote for axolotl for the reasons I stated last night but seeing how he isn't even on the board yet.... I'm not sure If I want to diversify that much. Weasel I'm personally leaning towards neutral on him but maybe I am a bit biased because it was him changing his vote when I was about to be lynched that made it so i was saved so that could be clouding my judgement." "I've already said that if Nolan (Dragonfly) is an elim then I guess I'm dead because I trust him fully. Vulture I would like to hear some more from, and I'm not sure about Albatross but I am suspicious of Scorpion. Most of scorpions explanations on why he votes for someone are so short and all of his posts don't contain a lot of content, and usually just point out basic things just enough to make a point of why he is voting for them but doesn't point out why that reason applies to them being an elim. I will place a vote in a bit but I still need to eat lunch and think about this more :/

Squawk wasn't surprised when the calls of "murder" rung out in the morning air. After all this was the 4th morning in a row for her to be awakened by such. That is if you could call what she did last night "sleep". What did surprise her was that it was penguin who was murdered! It was just hours ago that Squawk was talking to Peng(Penguin) and he said he still had similar suspicions as he did yesterday. For him to be alive one minute and gone upon waking no more than an hour later seemed cruel to Squawk. But why did they target Peng? Are they trying to go for participating villagers who aren't at the top of the town's suspicion list? Is it because Peng accused @Magenta Albatross the other day? These thoughts and others were racing tthrough her head as she made it to the well. "I'm nearly the First one here, I see" Squack squawked as she perched on the rim of the well to look down in the well. Indeed it was Peng with arrows sprouting from his chest. By Ashs name this was unpleasant business to see so many friends and acquaintances murdered, all the while thinking that she was going to be next. Today we need a grand council of our towns remaining minds, we need to have discussions with evidence presented, and open minds to view it all. Squawk decided the best way to do this was to pester each villager one by one for thoughts earlier rather than later in the day. But first she saw a cremling that looked like it might make a great breakfast. She waddled towards it.

@Chartreuse PenguinI was the first one to name meerkat if that is what you mean. I did list reasons though along with my gut though hindsight reveals them to be weak

@Amethyst Scorpion, @Azure Mouse, @Chartreuse Penguin, @Emerald Falcon, @Fuchsia Ostrich, @Indigo Weasel, @Ivory Dragonfly, @Magenta Albatross, @Mauve Crocodile, @Mint Heron, @Pearl Chameleon, @Plum Rhinoceros, @Quartz Zebra, @Sage Kangaroo, @Sapphire Elephant, @Sunburst Toucan, @Violet Axolotl I would like to hear what your guys most current suspects are considering the most recent events since most likely one of us will die tonight so I think we should all leave at least our thoughts to help each other. I currently trust Ivory the most and probably will continue to. Rereading falcons comments I realize now thatI totally didnt answer his concern there and you are right he is not above suspicion... but I trusted him more than i did beagle and I can't go down that road right now. He hasnt done anything to make him lose the trust that i had for him and feels vilager to the core to me. people I am wary of Toucan: I like the analysis she has been doing but I do try to keep them separate from my own. However I have been told that one of the best ways for elims to blend into the villae and gain trust is through doing analysis and she was the first to start it. Couple that with her dedication to RP and it makes it hard to read any intentions as if she is just observing and doesn't want to interfere with the process directly. This by no means makes her an elim but it does make me wary. People I suspect Violet Axolotl: Some people have already pointed this out that most of his posts were involving vote tallies which while helpful most of the time just feel like a way to contribute posts without raising suspicion. In addition to this we have the new voting system he is working on which felt like just a way to be able to vote on people without fully explaining their actions. Lastly, this one is kind of meta and I'm not sure of, I imagine being an Elim is stressful. I haven't played an elim yet in SE but the way Axolotl just kind of gave upon day 2 makes me wonder if the stress of being an elim and being a lynch target got to him so he was really saying he was done with the game... I know that tlast one is a bit of a stretch but I can't stop considering it since it was because that post that he wasn't lynched and instead we went after swan which got the pm group into a huge mess, which got beagle killed. I don't think it was on purpose no doubt but that last reason has been on my mind for a while now. I believe Axolotl did get a pinch hitter but I hope Axolotl 1.0 doesnt take offense that I brought that up if he reads this. Those are the ones that stuck out to me most right now, I have some that I have gut feelings on but I haven't found anything that I can explain why to people yet about them. What are your guys thoughts?

I'm sorry everyone I messed up. I'm Sorry Also to you Ivory I was also suspicious of Ostritch but a bit more of meerkat so I thought to bring it up to get a discussion going but once again we just murdered an innocent man... Though now I guess it makes sense why he didn't vote day 2 and 3 because he was probably using his power right? I'm guessing a bondsmith could use their power even if they didn't vote? While it is the night cycle I was hoping to get something clarified though. I really liked @Mint Heron post with assumptions and I think he is in a different time zone than most of us but hopefully he can still answer this question. One of his assumptions was this What are secret rules and mechanics? like what kind of stuff could not be in the rules? @Emerald Falconyou just posted as I was posting this and I am sorry I did mess up. I did tag you earlier hoping to get some input from you about day three but sorry it was a busy 2 days for you. I posted meerkat as a suspicion because I did suspect him and it appears I wasn't the only one to suspect him. But once meerkat responded and a lot of people starting voting on him I did begin to have doubts, or maybe the better word would be questioning what if he was innocent which is why I made that post where I tagged everyone who hadn't voted to please vote and express any thoughts they had on the matter. when mint heron posted this: (sorry can't get the format to look right) I'm on mobile now so I'll keep it short -- this post sounds evil as heck. It's appeasement and downplaying without a real defense. It did allay most of my concerns. But I was wrong I did put the first vote on meerkat hoping to generate discussion on multiple people but instead it turned out to be very one sided again. Sorry I didn't post earlier I went to the gym last night and passed out afterwards since I'm still super out of shape, I should be on and off most of this cycle though.

Have to say I agree with Zebra that this voter turnout is horrendous right now with a little over an hour to go. If we modify elephants vote count with zebras vote it should be this Mauve Crocodile: (3) - Salmon Meerkat, Pearl Chameleon, Amethyst Scorpion Salmon Meerkat: (7) - Onyx Flamingo, Plum Rhinoceros, Chartreuse Penguin, Ivory Dragonfly, Sunburst Toucan, Mint Heron, Quartz Zebra that means we only have 50% participation which mean sunless it is the largest elim team Ever that their are villagers who have not voted or shared their opinions. So @Azure Mouse, @Amber Vulture, @Emerald Falcon, @Fuchsia Ostrich(who never showed up even when Dragonfly voted for them and seems to be keeping really low right now ), @Indigo Weasel, @Magenta Albatross, @Mauve Crocodile(I thought he would have voted since he is second place right now?), @Sage Kangaroo, @Sapphire Elephant, and @Violet Axolotl I beg that you please share your ideas and then vote. If you think that meerkat is innocent please share your thoughts I would love to hear from a differing opinion. If you think crocodile is more likely than tell me why. If you really don't care and haven't been following the game... well that kind of sucks for us but at least try to get informed in an hour and vote. I voted for meerkat for the reasons I listed, but also because my gut. If people in this thread I would rather hear about it now than tomorrow people saying they really weren't surprised if he is innocent. So please vote now, and don't give me "oh sorry I wasn't on at cycle end otherwise I would have voted" because we have had 48 hours to do this. If I mistakenly tagged you due to miscalculation please forgive me or if you had some RL stuff I understand too but please, Please, participate this time :'(

I believe (and please correct me if I am wrong) that almost everyone else believes dragonfly to be villager. So I am pretty interested in why do you suspect them? I will acknowledge toucan is right that i did post Editted per Mint herons post Paraphrased:Hey I made a post in the main thread what did you guys think about it? Is there a pattern? In the bird PM after my long post on day 2 about beagle and dragonfly. I was genuinely curious to see what other peoples thoughts were but there was never any response. I've been trying to review a lot of peoples past posts but as toucan also said there have been several pinch hitters and that kind of makes it difficult to determine certain patterns. I did however make a document noting what days people voted and i thought it was interesting. The first thing that stood out is we don't have a lot of people voting consistenly so we need you villagers to do your civic duty and vote! Next is that @Salmon Meerkat, @Pearl Chameleon, @Fuchsia Ostrich, and @Emerald Falcon have not voted since day 1. This seems to me like it could be an attempt to lay low and not have to post anything that may stand out. Then there is an opposite group which did not vote during the first two days being @Azure Mouse, @Amber Vulture, @Chartreuse Penguin, and @Mint Heron. Now admittedly mint heron got a pinch hitter so that could explain why they didnt vote but I listed them for completeness's sake. Then there is Violet Axolotl which if you look at day twos calculation it says he voted but as Azure mouse did say he removed his vote from chameleon that day so technically he has not voted at all yet. What to make out of this? Well I definitely believe there are people purposefully trying to post as little information as possible and are trying to not say anything which might catch them in a lie or cast suspicion. I am suspicious of Salmon Meerkat because he seems to have stayed up on things rather well and he never voted on day 2 despite having strong feelings against the reasoning of the lynch. He also immediately set beagle up for being suspicious if swan did turn up villager. Then he immediately washed his hands of any involvement in the Day1 accusation of swan with this first post of day 3 but despite making this elegant RP as the very first post of this day failed to show up for the rest of the day and only posted again when the night came. My other current suspicions are Fuchsia Ostrich, and Scorpion.

I'm not sure about the smaller team though at this point I kind of hope they are. In addition to your list though Ivory I would like to call out @Emerald Falcon I know that they had been replaced by a pinch hitter once but we need more participation than 4 posts I'm also going to repost my post counts from earlier today so i can see them in this thread Player List: old post count post count Role links 1. Amethyst Scorpion 7 14 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26349-amethyst-scorpion/ 2. Azure Mouse 3 10 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26365-azure-mouse/ 3. Amber Vulture 5 13 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26352-amber-vulture/ 4. Charcoal Hyena 3 3 Villager http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26369-charcoal-hyena/ 5. Chartreuse Penguin 2 7 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26367-chartreuse-penguin/ 6. Coral Swan 19 19 Lightweaver http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26370-coral-swan/ 7. Cream Tuatara 6 15 Villager http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26350-cream-tuatara/ 8. Emerald Falcon 3 4 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26351-emerald-falcon/ 9. Fuschia Ostrich 4 10 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26353-fuchsia-ostrich/ 10. Indigo Weasel 2 10 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26374-indigo-weasel/ 11. Ivory Dragonfly 26 42 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26375-ivory-dragonfly/ 12. Magenta Albatross 7 14 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26372-magenta-albatross/ 13. Mauve Crocodile 6 12 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26373-mauve-crocodile/ 14. Melon Dingo 6 6 Edgedancer http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26355-melon-dingo/ 15. Mint Heron 2 10 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26357-mint-heron/ 16. Onyx Flamingo 15 32 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26359-onyx-flamingo/ 17. Opal Lion 2 8 Villager http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26371-opal-lion/ 18. Oxblood Beagle 41 74 Willshaper http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26366-oxblood-beagle/ 19. Pearl Chameleon 5 9 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26376-pearl-chameleon/ 20. Plum Rhinoceros 0 6 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26377-plum-rhinoceros/ 21. Quartz Zebra 1 16 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26358-quartz-zebra/ 22. Saffron Iguana 5 5 Lightweaver http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26360-saffron-iguana/ 23. Sage Kangaroo 5 11 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26361-sage-kangaroo/ 24. Salmon Meerkat 10 10 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26362-salmon-meerkat/ 25. Sapphire Elephant 6 12 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26363-sapphire-elephant/ 26. Scarlet Octopus 6 6 Edgedancer http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26378-scarlet-octopus/ 27. Sunburst Toucan 8 20 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26356-sunburst-toucan/ 28. Taupe Gecko 13 18 Villager http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26379-taupe-gecko/ 29. Turquoise Gorilla 2 10 Dustbringer http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26368-turquoise-gorilla/ 30. Violet Axolotl 9 19 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/profile/26354-violet-axolotl/ Average Min Max Mode Median # of mode instances 14.83333333 3 74 10 10.5 I haven't updated the post counts yet but I dont think updaing them at this point will be super helpful anyways as this should help us gauge activity during the cycles so far.