Fuchsia Ostrich

If anyone has steel tonight, maybe shoot Albatross so I don't need to spend time figuring their slot out.

Yeah no. 5 hours ago, Heron claiming Vanilla: Many hours before that, me constantly advocating v!Heron and pushing "bv"!Vulture: I could link 20 more posts but that should be sufficient

I will attempt to entertain a v!Iguana world tomorrow. Problem is, I don't really get why a vote was soothed off of Vulture otherwise. Possible it was a Sooth meant for a different wagon and the player changed their vote before the order could be changed (so a Soothe on Scorp?) but idk. If the relevant Soother is somehow Village, I would appreciate a claim in PM so I can hop off a potentially unnecessary tunnel. Anyway goodnight (I hope I can actually sleep tonight >> last night was rough)

Oh right. I forgot that Mouse hinted to me who Iggy was. I had been sus of them earlier and Mouse said a very similar thing and I dropped it. Not sure if the divergence is good enough for me right now though. The notable absence of post-survival Vulture talk from Iguana just seems weird to me from a v!PoV, especially from a v!thatplayer!PoV

I mostly just remember low-investment + RP fixation. But you've stepped up on the NKA & reads front, so that's a stark enough contrast for me to give you a pass. Unless you want me to drop you down into my immediate PoE...

Italicized are my independent village reads. When removed, that leaves: Scorpion Vulture Beagle Zebra Iguana Penguin Kangaroo My question is, where are the elims here? If e!Vulture, Scorpion looks better than the rest for nearly pushing them over the edge. If v!Vulture, I don't know why e!Scorpion would be so hedgy about their exe. I'd prolly give them a tentative v!lean until I can assess them deeper. Y'all know how I feel about the Vulture slot, but a self-pres vote is excusable either way. Beagle is someone I need to look into deeper, going forward. Haven't retained much from their slot tbh I really don't love the fact that Zebra was literally the first vote of the day and the first vote on Heron, that they never moved their vote later when presented options (like Kangaroo, whom I recall them sussing in the past), and that they pushed for consensus specifically on Heron while I was begging for Vulture voters. The vote stability there is shady af to me. Y'all know how I feel about the Iguana slot; overt ties to Vulture + honestly I'm convinced Dingo voted Iguana D1 as an e/e poke/distance/get-in-the-doc-Mr-Sleep-for-17-hours-we-got-things-to-discuss vote. I'm mostly effort clearing Penguin because of their player ID (the fact that they're not Dingoing again). Willing to relook and reconsider Kangaroo could go either way probably, but they're definitely the least egregious slot in this list

Thank you so much for those spoilers, holy crud. I was lowkey about to try brute forcing a similar chart to reinforce my Vulture resistance point.

I guess my thing here is at a certain point, the content of posts is less important to me than the deliberate actions taken. Most specifically, votes. I at least spent 6 hours trying to get people to vote Vulture. Every time, either Heron, or Cham, or an entirely new candidate would receive votes, while Vulture was only really met w/ resistance until the very end. Some cases (like Kangaroo or Albatross) would overtake the Vulture wagon I created within literal minutes of the options being presented. That felt & continues to feel very off to me, even if I can recognize why some villagers might be resistant to the exe. Regardless, what it tells me is that the elims didn't want to jump on the Vulture wagon to muddy the waters, which leaves me asking why they had no interest in splitting the wagons further (if V!Heron, V!Cham, V!Vulture). The most logical conclusion is e!Vulture And no one was more blatant about this than Iguana with their D3 voting record, so rn I'd rather pursue that lead than waste my time reiterating my same Vulture sus

Yeah you got Heron killed and voted literally every wagon other than the slot that survived a non-elim kill and was saved by a Soother. That's my case. Anything more is irrelevant fluff Sorry if the tone there feels aggressive. Not my intention. I'm just firm on my stance here. There is little else but me Seeking you myself that could dissuade me at this juncture

In fact, Iguana posted a ton last turn and avoided Vulture talk nearly the entire time. The few posts they did talk about Vulture, it was to push against my Vulture push. Regardless of Vulture’s alignment, it reads as a rand!e position to me

I was in thread for literal hours pushing against the Heron exe and constantly looking for consensus alternatives I was comfortable with, and I signaled my v!read of Heron near the start of the day before Heron became stubbornly kept wagon. Don’t understand how I’m overstating it, but will concede that “a remnant of the player behind the anon” is a likely factor. Aman do be Amaning. Mostly that Iguana voted everyone but Vulture + if Iguana didn’t vote Heron last minute, Vulture would be dead

Elim Distro Guess: Mistborn Thug/Lurcher Seeker Tineye Soother If there’s a 6th maybe a Smoker. Suppose Mistborn and Tineye could be a Smoker instead, but no Mistborn would imply Lurcher over Thug to me.

I’m just grateful my read of Heron was accurate. Sorry you died friend. Can’t say I didn’t try. (And try. And try. And try.) 17 players left. Best case scenario, 13 vs 4. Worst case, 12 v 5. Large number of Village Smokers seems more beneficial against elim vote manipulation than elim Seeker. Iguana looks terrible rn. Lion less so but idk. I have respect for the player I suspect is behind the slot, which has influenced my v!read. Don’t think e!Lion would abandon a bus last second, although the fact the Vulture was saved by a Soother implies to me at least one of those votes enabling this situation was aware. Don’t want to necessarily preflip Vulture but as someone who’s spent the last hour questioning my world view, my confidence feels sufficiently reinforced. I’m probably voting a Heron voter tomorrow, starting with Iguana. Vulture can wait now imo since it’s possible elim!Soother wanted to frame them for the next exe. Or the least likely world of a second village Soother deciding to save Vulture

Ugh

Whoops

Again, I was sus of Vulture before their survival, I believe Cham is more likely a V!Thug between them, we have two Mistborn (one dead and one who shot Vulture) which prolly means the elims have protection, & since Vulture survived a night kill we can't even prove they are a Thug rather than protected by a Lurcher until they flip. And everyone else up for the exe is village from my PoV, for one reason or another. Alb I have less compunction about but I don't feel it's a hit either

As just stated by others, someone claimed to be a MB that shot Vulture. We have no evidence of a CS

I wasn't told the Thug's identity but Mouse warned me about a Thug cycles ago who he had no idea how to read, as well as a potential fake green scan gambit. It checks out for Cham either way

Ugh. I literally cannot fathom why we are ignoring a player who survived a non-guaranteed-elim kill over the rest of these trains, but I guess it's out of my hands. Mouse I miss you

Well until we force them to use it we can never know for certain, let alone who they prefer. We put them on the backfoot now and we gain more info than just a consensus flip. Plus we don't even know if a Theoretical e vote manipulator is online rn to make a difference

IMO let it rand at this point, I have zero faith in thread consensus atm and wherever it does congeal is more likely to be V than not

All Kanga votes are gone after Lion's move, yeah

5 Heron, 3 Vulture, 3 Albatross, 2 Chameleon? Because they don't seriously think Heron was the CS. It was deflection to prevent them from getting exed, and ever since the Heron wagon has not dissolved

If you're village, your protest self vote is doing more harm than good. Please just choose literally anyone else. Eh you're old news, we moved past there. Vote Vulture with me instead?

4 on Heron, 3 on Vulture. @Pearl Chameleon and @Coral Swan either of y'all willing to switch votes?