Wyndle88

Hello my favourite peeps,

I had a thought. We now that Adonalsium was shattered by 16 individuals a long time ago using 4 Dawnshards. Each of these individuals picked up 1/16th of Adonalsium and Ascended to being SHARDS. They had certain agreements in place and they left for their individual pursuits henceforth. 

We also know Hoid was present at the Shattering. He was offered one of the 16 and he refused ( maybe he was offered one he didn't particularly want). But we know that he was the holder of a dawnshard for a long time ( maybe even since the Shattering ). This particular Dawnshard is unique in the way how it alters the user's spirit web so that he can't cause harm ( I would say the irl Gandhi among the dawnshards preaching non violence etc. ).  I further think the 16 stipulated Hoid to be the bearer of non violent Dawnshard to ensure their own safety fearing Hoid would use offensive Dawnshard to attack one or more of the 16.

I also assume Frost to be another character present at the Shattering and could have possibly picked up another Dawnshard , maybe an attacking one. Maybe this is the reason none of the Shards had tried to claim Token as Frost is waiting there with a Dawnshard in case some Shards get the wrong idea. 

Now I'm thinking who took over the remaining 2 Dawnshards? Did one of the 16 take up dawnshards as well?

I hope this is the correct part of the forum to discuss this. Any thoughts? Plausible?

Cheers guys

In TotES, Wit explains how it takes true competence to feign spectacular incompetence and how that is the explanation for anything he ever does wrong.

Does that include the epilogue of RoW I wonder?

"Transitive property of ineptitude." Did anyone connect Wit' statement in TotES with Row epilogue. 

Hoid might have a better relationship with Whimsy than with all other Shards. I got this feeling after reading TotES. Though not name dropped 'whimsy' was suspiciously mentioned a little too much. 

Maybe Torment is the way to go forward to keep checks on unfathomable power. Maybe 'Torment' will be worked into the 'Oaths'/Bonds to prevent humans and Singers from using powers to normally defend instead of going into offensive with Godmetal weapons against normal ordinary foes.

Loved his presentation .....what a pleasant surprise...

So I was watching the sShardcast on BAM and I got this idea. What if the 3 original Spren of Roshar was Nightwatcher, Sibling and BAM.

We know from Stormfather and Dalinar' conversations that Stormfather was not sentient before Honor' death.

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During these days, Honor still lived. I was not yet fully myself. More of a storm. Less interested in men.

If the Stormfather was not interested in the affairs of men then how would he create a Bondsmith in those times?

So if Stormfather only gained sentience post Honor' death then originally Honor' Bondsmith was selected by some other powerful Spren.

Who could it be? BAM

Yes hence BAM' powers with 'Connection'...that is why Honor' Splinter chose a new Spren to reside in coz the original spren has been imprisoned.

Honor must have started going mad ever since Odium managed to corrupt Honor' own Spren.

What do you guys think?

Is it plausible that the experiments / torture Ishar was doing to the spren at the end of RoW could somehow be similiar to Hemalurgy and what the Inquisitors does to create new members with specific power filled spikes? 

Cusicesh is the Spren of Kasitor in Iri. Though of lesser power than Stormfather, Nightwatcher and Sibling, Cusicesh is a Unique Spren of great power ( assumed coz of size). 

Iri has an Oathgate. Is it possible that before being made into Unmade, all the Unique Sprens were also location based as in they were present in 9 different Silver Kingdom cities?

If Cusichesh was turned into Unmade would the Spren still appear outside the city at 7:46am everyday?

Can the Heralds even have kids. Ash was born before being made into a herald, so she doesn't count. I mean at Row end didn't Kelek confirm that Heralds are highly invested Cognitive Shadows and not actually human?

On 12/12/2020 at 1:33 PM, Windshaper said:

There's a WOB that says that naming (Child/Son of Tanavast) for Kaladin is significant...I also can't see how though.

Could it be that Kaladin is the Son of Tanavast because his spren is "the Ancient Daughter"?

1.How does singers tell time by attuning to Peace?

2. Is the process of Awakening similar to Soul stamp?

 In Row, when Zahel is explaining about himself to KAL, the way he talks about the Awakening process is similar to how Shai explains creation of a Soul Stamp in Emperor's Soul. 

So I was wondering if Endowment is actually Awakening people with the same process but with her own methods coz as a shard She can understand a soul much better than any human like Shai could ever and thus create an almost exact copy of the original Soul.

I have a theory that Sibling is a group of spren looking like the oathgate platform sprens. Head spren among the siblings of oathgates.  And not sibling in the sense of sibling of Stormfather and Nightcrawler.

During Thaylen City battle, Odium instructs destruction of city Oathgates and it's gem stones be brought back to him. He also says with the gemstones they can rebuild the oathgates at a different location.

So my theory is that Sibling is slumbering somewhere inside a perfect gemstone and it is that gemstone that has to be brought in touch with HP by a Bondsmith.

So glad Yalb survived. One of my fav. Character from Wotk. 

I hope Rysn' ship Wandersail doesn't loose it's crew as Sleepless cook from Kaza' ship is likely to get involved. 

The novella name and with the information from new release chapters of RoW, a Dawnshard is definitely confirmed to be in Aimia and access to it could be the reason humans have done much better in the war against Odium than previously thought possible.

Waiting for Adolin to appear and divulge to Shallan on a serious note about a serious conversation he had with Syl, coming to him for fashion advice and how good a friend he is to Kaladin for taking care of these kind of things. 

Last we heard Kaladin's ex gf back from Amaram' army was in the same town as the Mink was in OB. I wonder if she is one of the refugees.

I didn't like the new fused mentioned in chapter 1 appearing to fight kaladin. The beard mentioned made me think about Gavilar. 

Obvious misdirection or coincidence?

When the group was onboard honorspren ship in Shadesmar, kaladin makes windspren appear on shadesmar which never happens. 

Now I'm thinking that ability is of supreme importance, kal can make wind (air) appear in vaccum. Might be useful in space travel in later arcs.

As per below Wob:

So if Endowment is half terror half laughter, and Nightblood turned out to be a failed experiment like this coz of the Intent of Endowment. If the experiment has to be done right and to actually "Destroy Evil",  the intent of the shard used to create the sword should be Honor. Maybe that's why Zahel is here? 

What do you guys think?

I got Truthwatcher.

And interestingly my alignment list almost coincides with my favourite list of characters in their order. 

Unite them as in " Odium and Cultivation" imo. Merging Cultivation with Odium could be how O's power can be kept in check and could be the Ultimate reason why these two Shards came to Roshar in the first place since they knew Rayse would come looking for them. 

The aspect of seeing the future makes a major impact on the life of a Shard. Some shards have better future vision than others. Then wouldn't that make the "father/mother" of all Shards the ultimate future vision with the powers of all Shards within? 

With that logic Adonalsium must have let the shattering happen. Ado knows it doesn't matter if it gets shattered, Ado knew Hoid wouldn't take part in the shattering, even if You'd himself didn't know at that time that he would refuse. Hoid wouldn't have the weapon if he wasn't planning on taking part in the shattering. So hoid had a change of heart by himself which Ado knew so He let the shattering happen.  

It's Salas. I thought you guys were correcting me regarding Silver Kingdom city. Thanks.f

If the case is indeed like @Jofwu says, like a person standing on Shinovar would see the moons at the same time as a person seeing them from Shattered plains as people throughout the series signifies this by calculating the timings using the passing of these moons.

Day and night happens rue to rotation of the planet in relation to the Sun. So on Roshar, the moons appear every night at specific timings. What if they were geostationary? Would that explain it? Their speed of rise and set individually could be explained by the distance at which they are placed maybe ?

Or my other theory is that, since the land mass of Roshar is in the S.Hemispere, maybe the 3 moons would have been visible at the specific timings at night, if there was land in the N.Hemisphere would the moons be visible during the day?

Also from what I understand, Roshar system was made by ADO prior shattering. So the whole Roshar system was made "naturally".

So what would make the moons "artificial", that should mean it has to be made by someone other than ADO. And with the colouring specific for the moons is the reason I suspect Honor did it.

Our moon glows because sunlight is reflecting off it. So why does these moons have special colours? Maybe these moons are reflecting Honor's part of visible spectrum. 

Well green is a mix of blue and yellow....so mishim being green is because Cultivation took a hand in making it as well. 

I also noted something else

https://coppermind.net/wiki/File:Shadesmar_(TWoK).jpg

....in the colour artwork showing the map of Shadesmar, the frame of the picture shows a woman in the centre of the four sides with arms flung out. 

So top half of the picture is all blue colours (violet , indigo and blue) of the visible light and bottom half is yellow ( yellow, orange and red) colour of visible light. Green appears lightly at the point where blue and yellow meets. Maybe North part of the landmass is where Honor is concentrated and South to Cultivation?

Also in the Cognitive Realm we see a sun and shadows pointing towards it...is it the actual Sun of Roshar we see? If it is the actual sun, then why are the moons not visible in Shadesmar?

Do you guys think there is significance ?