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3 minutes ago, MoS03 said:

I think that's been the strongest theory on Plate anyone has put forth yet. It's been the popular theory since WoR I think?

To expand, Lifespren for Edgedancers, logicspren? for Elsecallers. We've seen Radiants attract large amounts of these, except the logicspren, that's more of a guess.

Have Renarin or the Dustbringer/Releaser ever attract large amounts of a particular spren?

Well we don't even See Renarin's spren till part 5 and we've only heard mention of the Dustbringers spren.

We will probably see shardplates in the next book I'm guessing. Maybe as late as the Avalanche

 Since we know we'll be having an Eshonai book and she's dead. Safe to say it's her that Brandon was talking about. 

Unless you count Szeths half death ? But unlikely. We can bet on Eshonai.

Man was that a horrible scene. Sah, Beard , Noro all in seconds. 

Almost as bad as finding out what happened to Evi.

I had to put the book down and take a few minutes.

6 minutes ago, BarrileteCosmico said:

KalAzure doesn't seem impossible, in that she's the only other available age appropriate woman he seems to have an existing rapport with. 

We don't exactly know if they are around the same age. It has obviously been many years since Warbreaker. Also iirc Kal and Vivenna didn't exactly part on the best terms

Pattern though,

    “Inappropriate?” Pattern said. “Such as … dividing by zero?”

 “Very well, you two,” Pattern said. “No mating. NO MATING.” He hummed to himself, as if pleased, then sank down onto a plate.

Then of course Syl,

'He tried—unsuccessfully—to banish the image of lying in bed with a woman, Syl sitting on the headboard and shouting encouragement and advice'

Now that Shalladin has fallen through , what's gonna be the direction of Kaladin's story ? Since that whole affair is done and Kaladin seems to have dumped his emotional baggage about Roshone , Tien and Amaram he's actually free to live like Syl wants him to.

It's obvious that he no longer has any feelings for Laral ( that whole chapter was kinda disappointing).

Maybe Brandon might pull a Dalinar-Navani in the later half of the series ? 

Of course most of us would hate to see anything happen to Adolin 

Personally I would love to see Kaladin and Jasnah get together . They're like perfect opposites of each other. Kaladin's decisions are driven by his emotions and passion while Jasnah makes cold , calculated decisions. Then there's that moment they shared in Urithru, we've never seen Jasnah banter with anyone like that. Or am I just reading too much into nothing? Of course there's just the tiny problem of the huge age gap xD

4 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

I actually was a bit annoyed by how everyone was picking up surges on first try and excelling after 5 seconds flat. Kaladin needed weeks of practice to be even able to use surges reliably, and days more of practice to be half-way competent with them. But in OB everyone just used surges immediately as if they'd had weeks of practice, from Bridge 4, to Amaram (okay he was kind of clumsy but still used several things on what was obviously the first time he ever had the power), to Moash just Lashing at the end as if it were nothing. 

Yeah that's weird since Moash was never a squire.

But Bridge four did have a few weeks of training and Lopen and Teft practically helped Kaladin learn his surges in TWoR.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how Vathah and his team turn out since Shallan never actually trained them in light weaving.

On 11/15/2017 at 1:47 AM, RShara said:

The first part, maybe.  But bees?

Nope that's supposed to be humour .

Renarin trying do describe the Tower as a sentient thing but can't find the right word for it

5 hours ago, MoS03 said:

I think we have several Radiants who are very close to Plate, and by their actions, and attitudes, we're seeing them draw the building blocks of that Plate to themselves. Kaladin attracting windspren, Shallan creationspren, Dalinar gloryspren, etc.

Oh I really like this idea. Specific spren being drawn to each order of the KR and forming their Shardplates. I've been thinking about why so many Gloryspren in particular were drawn to Dalinar at his semi Ascension and why the windspren kept being drawn to Kaladin so much and this might explain both.

Shardplates of different orders of the KR do seem to have different glows as seen in Dalinar's visions

2 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

She was probably too busy opening the Oathgate to Kholinar so voidbringers could attack Urithiru .  Well, maybe they used the Honorblade, but maybe that was just misdirection and they used Malata anyways.

The chat between the 2 of them was the most missed thing of Ob for me. 

Its possible that Dalinar sort of trusted Szeth there and ignored Malata since the spren seem to draw the KR together. 

Of course it may be simpler. At that point Szeth was on the battlefield apparently fighting for them. Why look a gift horse on the mouth? And Malata was nowhere to be seen.  

 

Doesn't Taravangian say (to himself ) that they stole the Honorblade to open the Oath gate ? Besides of they had used Malata then it would have raised obvious questions and Mr T still wouldn't be part of the coalition.

I guess Dalinar accepted Szeth because he seemed to fight on his side but still I too was looking forward to their conversation, especially since Szeth killed Gavilar. Their missing conversation is one of the things that make the finale look a bit too hurried . But then it is the Avalanche so I guess it's to be expected 

Isn't it weird how Dalinar easily accepted Szeth without a word nor did he ever think of Malata ?

Also unrelated but , am I the only one who dislikes Malata and is glad she didn't get to be part of the Battle of Thaylen Field?

I know we don't know much about her , but even disregarding the fact that she is probably a traitor , she seems like a very dislikeable person

Yeah that fight was anticlimactic. Surgebinders could heal from most wounds that would have otherwise been fatal ( Shallan gets shot in the forehead ffs). So why does  someone bonded with Yelignar, one of the Unmade have such an obvious weakspot that he got rekt by 2 arrows ?(albeit really big ones)

I was fully expecting that fight to end in a kind of stalemate so that Amaram could return to torment Kaladin in the next book but he got tied up really quick and Moash got set up as Kaladin's big bad villain 

12 hours ago, Bliev said:

I also think that it might have felt like Elhokar was becoming a squire to Shallan. She draws him the photo, she encourages him to think of himself differently, an illusion of sorts, and he begins to grow into that illusion, like shallan does.

Nah Elhokar starts seeing Cryptic spren even before Shallan arrived at the Shattered plains .

His bonding with the spren may have been delayed because of his fear of them and maybe because as he says , the cryptic spren we're scared of when Kaladin briefly became Elhokars bodyguard. So he's not one of her Squires. We already know Squires swear the first Ideal and then attract spren

Though Shallan's sketch of Elhokar definitely seems to be a catalyst to him swearing his Ideals as he is looking at her sketch when he tries to swear the first ideal .

So considering chapter 86 epigraph , where it is implied the 4th ideas conflicts with the Windrunner natural tendency to want to protect everyone 

-Tarah saying he needs to start letting go of the dead and prioritise the living 

-Lirin saying he needs to grow calluses 

-Tukks saying he needs to kill to protect his squad who are his family 

     -But Kal secretly says he instead              fears easily he kills

- Kal freezing up in the fight at the palace because he wants to protect everyone/doesn't want to kill anyone

- Then refusing to swear the Fourth ideal (though he knows what it is at this point presumably) even though it would allow him to save Adolin.

We can probably narrow it down to 2 principles 

Either the 4th ideas involves him swearing to kill some people to save some others ( greater good or lesser of two evils type dilemma?)

Or it involves him swearing to accept to let some people to die to save others

I'm not able to see a common factor between the various appearances of the windspren though other people here seem to have :/

1 minute ago, Darvys said:

What worries me most about Moash is that the one thing that would cement him on Odium's side would be the murder of a fellow bridgeman, and i don't think i can take that. So if he could just trip into a pyre offscreen and the first Venli pov is the parshmen mourning around his ashes, i wouldn't blame you Brandon.

Ah I wish.

Besides Moash is now Vyre , god killer and Windrunner ,I doubt he's gonna have an insignificant role to play (in the next book at least)

2 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

I'm a bit sad we got no new Gavilar information, as he was another possibly very dark character.

 

Other than that Eshonai prologue , which was imo completely useless since it only told us what we already knew.

And since we've already seen Dalinar's backstory and the only part of Eshonai's that might have involved Gavilar , the only way we're gonna get more info on Gavilar is through a Jasnah or possibly a Navani (probably not) backstory.

One of the things I was really looking forward to in this book was Kaladin's return to Hearthstone ,but it turned out to be extremely unsatisfactory.

I had hoped it would at least take up part one of the book but it barely lasted more than a single chapter and seemed primarily focused on quickly (and disappointingly ) tying up the minor plot threads of Kal's relationship with Roshone, Laral and his parents.

I had hoped that he'd at least return at some point , especially considering his vow to protect his baby brother ( and I did not see that coming wow) but he never seems to think about Oroden after that chapter and only once even thinks of Hearthstone after that. 

1 minute ago, Calderis said:

Considering he's doing exactly what Dalinar rejected, that was my interpretation. 

At the very least he's being set up as Kaladin's nemesis especially with Amaram and Sadeas out of the way (and Roshone being kinda forgiven). 

1 minute ago, Calderis said:

 

Moash... Vyre.... Whatever you are now. What the hell snapped in tour brain man. You're so much worse than I thought you could possibly be. 

 

Ikr , I thought we'd seen the end of Moash's errant meddling after he killed Elhokar and finally got some closure (especially since he salutes Kal after killing Elhokar) but then no he has to go and kill storming Jezrien and then become some whole new villain.

Speaking of that what are the odds of Moash becoming Odium's Champion ?

He sure seems to be getting a lot of built up seeing as how he has the support of both the Singers and the Fused plus seems to be almost as good as Kaladin in fighting , not to mention the whole killing Jezrien (with some kind of special knife which seems only he can use) and then taking his Honorblade

18 minutes ago, HarryKal said:

After so much wait...finally finished the book. Need to do a reread slowly to find what I missed the first time. 

Things I liked in the same order

1. Dalinar...wow just wow.. he is broken in so many ways but still the way held himself against Odium. 

2. Kaladin..i too liked that he didn't said the next ideal and saved everything all by himself. The scene where he froze in the middle of battle unable to decide what is right is really heartening 

3. Adolin...he proves to everyone that you can be a hero without being radiant. Also I think he will bring back his Spren alive.. already got the name.. 

4. Jasnah...both brainy and really can kick bad guys with style.. I really thought there will be something between her and Kal.. still not discarded that theory

5. Bridge 4... together they are good and can face anything with joking around

6. All conversation between the sword nimi and Lift or szeth

Things I have complaint about

1. Shallan..even though she is one of the main character there are lots of chapters with same kind of internal discussion between different avatars of her... also I felt like always she is able to achieve her goals without much difficulty 

2.  Moash...why do we need this??? It's similar to kaladin chapters from book 1.

3. Very less Kaladin POV.. many people are seeing kal as main protagonist of SA series...but in book 3 his POV is less

4. Many people from bridge 4 becoming radiant is too convenient

 

 

 

 

Well Dalinar is the main PoV character for this book just as Kal was the main PoV character for TWoK and Shallan for TWoR. So it's obvious why there's an imbalance. Then there's also all the new PoVs we're getting.

As for Bridge 4 only three of them are Radiants as of now. The rest are just Kaladin's Squires. And it isn't really all that convenient since the parshmen have tons of Fused and these are only the less experienced ones. 

On 11/14/2017 at 0:00 PM, Leyrann said:

 

I think he's gonna be a Radiant, actually. Just not yet, though. Sure want to see how this is going to develop in the future!

I hope not . Seeing how much time was devoted to him exploring his relationship with his deadeye and it's eventual psuedo awakening , I'm kinda hoping he becomes something else entirely.