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27 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:
Possible? Yes. Likely? Probably not. I'm pretty sure the extra ruin is going into atium... but tbh it's not out of the question. I just also wonder if Harmony is even aware of Nightblood...
I would agree with this theory, but...
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/69-shadows-of-self-release-party/#e5874
QuoteQuestioner
I am also wondering, does atium actually still regenerate?
Brandon Sanderson
Atium does not regenerate.
Questioner
It stopped when--
Brandon Sanderson
It stopped when Ati stopped existing. Yep.
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10 minutes ago, Willshaping Crasher said:
Your comment caused a radical (and probably wrong) theory in my mind.
Is there any possibility that Sazed could be dumping excess "Ruin" into Nightblood? Alternately, Could Nightblood be a result of a inexperienced shardholder (Sazed) looking for an outlet (Nightblood) which just happened to occur?
Absolutely crazy.
I love it.
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11 hours ago, Calderis said:
Brandon has to start writing under a pen-name to prove his detractors wrong before he can do that though.
I can't quite follow your line of thought here.
(and yes I do realize I ask you to explain the joke here)
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37 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:
Trell and Nalt were brothers. (According to Sazed in The Final Empire). Nalt points toward Nalthis.
We also have the thing with the red eyes, which means relatively little except that another shard is involved.
And we have Trellian faceless immortals. Who has that power?
- Lightweavers from Yolen
- Lightweavers from Roshar
- The Returned
In fact the returned fit best as they change physically. So how about we take this legend literally? Trell is the brother of Nalt, whom Nalthis is named after, and Edgli.
We also have Miles Hundredlives involved with Trell, who healed, some argue, beyond the point his feruchemy should have allowed. Who has the best healing in the Cosmere? Actually Endowment in form of divine breaths - Stormlight or, presumably, feruchemical gold would not have healed Susebron, as his mutilation was decades old.If you had siblings and were a shard, would you just let them die from old age? I guess the answer would generally be negative. So Trell became a Returned and is acting as Endowment's agent.
Nalt and Nalthis, to me, don't seem related. Keep in mind that "th" is a different sound from "t"; just one that's depicted in a similar way in English. In Greek, for example, there's tau and theta to denote them. Brandon is aware of this, as the women's script (Alethi) has denotes th different from t. On top of that, an argument can be made for "that's not how language works", plus Nalt does not appear in Trellism, only in Trelagism.
And then there's one last thing. We know Warbreaker plays relatively short before Stormlight Archive. I'm not sure how long before, but I do know that it plays shorter before it than any other book in the Cosmere, so it plays after Mistborn Era 1. If I remember correctly from Warbreaker (it's been a while since I read it though) the First Returned appeared some 600 years before the story plays. That would place the First Returned somewhere during the Final Empire, and therefore well after Trelagism.
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Very recognizable, as another autist.
(I only wish I had the hyperfocus version of autism though; instead I've been cursed with the always distracted version)
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Sizable.
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7 minutes ago, lu-tze said:
When we're on book 9 of SA, we'll be in a similar theorycrafting position (and have a whole lot more context).
And yet, it sometimes seemed as if The Eye of the World was the most important book in such theorycrafting. So let's not give up and tell ourselves "we'll start trying in 20 years from now" but rather take a stab at it with what we have. After all, we're theorizing for fun (I hope...), no need to not theorycraft stuff because we'll be able to do it better later.
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9 minutes ago, Yata said:
It's a bit more complex than "17 godmetals" because in theory different Vessels's metals also with the same Shard could result in slighty different godmetal (example. Vinium would act differently from Lerasium) and in theory we don't even know if different Avatar of the same Vessel would result in different godmetals (Example: we don't know if Bavadinium and Pajium could be differents).... Mostly reasoning on hipotetical godmetals is a moot point
So we just have "infinity" instead.
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19 minutes ago, Yata said:
We knows it's possible for the WoB about the effect of an Atium-Lerasium alloy and the Lerasium-Bavadium Alloy.
Harmonium is not an alloy of the two but rather a new element made by both Ruin and Pres... There is a WoB on that too.
And of course there is the huge component (that others already pointed) on the inability of the usual Metalborn to burn something from a Shard he has no connection with.
So that means that 1. There's 17 godmetals if you include all of atium, lerasium and harmonium and 2. Godmetals can alloy with each other?
Oh man, that makes the numbers so much more ugly.
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16 metals.
17 godmetals (don't forget harmonium).
Every godmetal has an alloy with every metal. 272 alloys.
Assuming godmetals can't alloy with one another, that's 305 combinations.
Also that 17 is ugly, so perhaps harmonium is an atium-lerasium alloy? In that case godmetals can alloy with one another, let's assume they can with any other, but no triple or more alloys. In that case, there are 17*8=136 godmetal alloys.
Can they alloy with normal metals? If not, there are 256 (note that harmonium, in this case, can't alloy either, as assumed for the 272) pure godmetal-metal alloys plus the 16 normal and 136 godmetal alloys, for 408 alloys.
If they can, there are 136*16=2176 alloys metal-godmetal alloys on top of that, for a total of 2584 metals and alloys. (8 metals, 8 normal alloys, 16 godmetals, 136 godmetal-godmetal alloys, 256 metal-godmetal alloys, 2176 godmetal alloy-metal alloys)
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2 hours ago, lu-tze said:
Add to these Wit's exchanges with Dalinar.
On the destruction of Roshar:
(Edit) Just to be totally beat-you-over-the-head, but we know from Wit's letters that his goal is really to get Rayse out of the picture for good. Not necessarily splintering the shard of Odium, but to have it inhabit a better person (or, perhaps even better, to have it tempered by the impulses of another shard).
On re-assembling pieces of a soul:
So we have some foreshadowing for both theories. Perhaps Roshar will be destroyed in order that Dalinar combine Honor and Odium; with the alternative being something even worse (like the destruction of all life on Roshar).
(Edit) It's also worth noting that the foreshadowing in Mistborn is necessarily incomplete. The ending is not in the prologue, but the major ending setups are there
("I'm not the hero everyone thinks I am;" "future of the entire world on my arms")
These are things that make little sense without much more context. They're obvious foreshadowing only in retrospect (which, I suppose, is what a good foreshadowing is). I worry that we're being perhaps too explicit with what we're reading into, and that the "ending in the first two books" is present in the same way. Things like
- UNITE THEM
- Sphere with purple light
- Scouring of Aimia
- Truthless
- Feverstone Keep
And many more oddities that seem to recur. We have 8 more books for the context around these to nucleate, so I suspect that piecing together a coherent narrative likely involves much more supposition than close reading.
You should see the Wheel of Time theorizing. We (well, they, I only showed up in like the last year) had basically everything figured out that was still going to happen, sometimes just from single lines. Of course there were also a lot of theories that were false, but everything that happened in the last book had been theorized.
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6 hours ago, Quantus said:
2)The fact that the Metallic Arts that Leras and Ati created can (uniquely in the cosmere?) Invest Aluminum.
That's a really good point actually.
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A valid theory.
Another common one is based on a deathrattle and Dalinar's vision at the end of WoK, and is that Roshar may be completely destroyed at some point.
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On 28-9-2018 at 6:45 AM, Chaos said:
I'm going to move this to General Brandon Discussion
Wouldn't it make more sense to put this in Cosmere Discussion?
On 28-9-2018 at 4:34 PM, Gauntlet104 said:I'm not an expert by any means, but I think Nightblood might be able to do it. Seeing as how it destroys things in all three realms I think that means it would be able to kill a shard or at least its host.
Not gonna work:
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/96-holiday-signing/#e3194
QuoteQuestioner
Hypothetically could Nightblood Splinter a Shard?
Brandon Sanderson
Uh, Splintering a Shard takes more power than Nightblood has.
On 29-9-2018 at 7:27 PM, Sunbringer said:OK so I was just looking at the letters to Hoid we find in Oathbringer and I found something interesting. In Autonomy's letter to Hoid, she refers to him as the "Bearer of the First Gem" so I looked at what the first gem was, and apparently it was used in the original shattering of adonalsium. Not sure what this means, but there are definitely some things that are able to do things like this.
Where do you have this from?
The only thing the coppermind has on it is that it's been theorized to have been used in the shattering (https://coppermind.net/wiki/First_Gem), with a link to this WoB:
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/355-idaho-falls-signing/#e10439
QuoteValhalla [PENDING REVIEW]
So, you talked about a weapon made by the enemies of Adonalsium, and you said it doesn't exist in it's original form. Do any remnants of it still exist in the Physical Realm?
Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]
Yes.
Valhalla [PENDING REVIEW]
Have we seen any of those remnants on-screen?
Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW]
*pause* RAFO.
In current continuity (and people would know this), Hoid's immortality comes from this. People who have read Dragonsteel know that.
Which doesn't really tell us much. In fact, the First Gem isn't even mentioned in this WoB, and arguably the coppermind shouldn't even mention this.
It's a theory, but it's gonna be hard to find something that hasn't been theorized.
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I think we're going to find ourselves breaking down because we don't know who too root for anymore as we'll be finding the surviving former protagonists fighting each other.
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2 hours ago, Yata said:
What magic did honor take?
Stormlight/Surgebinding have been altered by Honor for his purposes.
In fact, for all we know putting it into gems may be part of that.
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7 hours ago, Yata said:
Trell was the name of a Taldain dude a centuries before Mistborn era1... But we don't know how much before/after the actual trelligism.
That dude and his name was deliberated enough to have them trasposed into the GN without change...
White Sand plays approximately a millennium before MB1, right? That would place Trelligism before it, as White Sand then plays around the time the Lord Ruler came to power.
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26 minutes ago, Calderis said:
What? Where is being subject to a shards intent ever an aspect of the magics? People can use allomantic powers for what ever destructive mean they wish.
You're getting things confused here, I wasn't talking about the magic at any point. I'm just talking about how Shards can 'break' their own Intent applied to themselves (and only then) in order to apply it to others, and how that extrapolates to Autonomy.
28 minutes ago, Calderis said:I don't think Trell wants isolated planets? I don't think I've said that?
Here:
4 hours ago, Calderis said:Because that was a turning point? Control and containment was the original goal. Technological advancement suddenly meant that containment was no longer a feasible plan.
On top of that, I also find it hard to understand why Taldain was isolated from the rest of the cosmere by Autonomy unless she wanted to stop worldhopping, so if Autonomy = Trell that is certainly a hint in that direction.
33 minutes ago, Calderis said:In what way would that be any more "Trell's Servant" than bleeder? It's an entity if its own.
I don't see how this is related to Bleeder? I'm saying that there's little reason for a servant of Trell (which that being surely was, as it was recognized as such by Edwarn) to lie to someone who's about to die. Refuse to talk, I could see that, but telling them a lie, not so much.
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16 minutes ago, Calderis said:
Except from Autonomy's view it wouldn't be interfering, it would be interceding. By these arguments, it wouldn't have changed either. Its just that the things it normally prevented in Adonalsium have been pushed outward into the other Shards. It's doing the same thing it's always done.
But nowhere have you properly explained why Autonomy's "avoid interference with mortal lives" no longer applies to Autonomy's own interfering. There is a fundamental difference between the "not applying to self" which you consider to be the same. A Shard, as we know, is not subject to their own Intent; Preservation gives up a little piece of himself to preserve an allomancer's body, to take the most well-known example. This is, as the example makes obvious, to make sure that who they are dealing with is subject to their Intent. And in Autonomy's case, if Autonomy works as you theorize (which I very highly doubt, considering this very contradiction), then making sure that those the Shard is dealing with is subject to the Shard's Intent means not interfering.
29 minutes ago, Calderis said:If you weren't talking about the blockade, then what were you talking about? What do we know about the cosmere awareness of the average person on any shardworld? It not huge. And a foreign invader using locals to assault kind of has to go for people that are both dissatisfied with the current state, and either stupid enough not to ask questions, or intelligent enough to realize what is going on. Whether you're talking about the emergence of a new God, or simply an influx of cash and weaponry, someone is going to start asking questions about just where all the money/power/whatever is coming from.
Even if all of Autonomy's worlds are like First of the Sun and seemingly ignorant, which we don't know, using locals to wage a war by necessity can't operate the same way.
I wouldn't quite call Trell a foreign invader, as that implies a Worldhopping army. That's semantics though.
My point is that it's perfectly possible for Trell - in particular if he were to want a universe without interplanetary interaction - to set up the Set (pun again not intended) without ever telling them there are other inhabited planets; something that he has actually told at least people of the rank of Mr Suit, who we know is not the highest rank. That implies, to me, that Trell is not aiming for isolated planets.
33 minutes ago, Calderis said:Except previously that was all either relegated to people where the Metallic Arts are seemingly rare naturally, or in the hands of people that Trell was using. That did change, including the Bands themselves being in the hands of Harmony's servants.
As I've previously argued, even Ruin would be able to see well enough into the future to know that, as soon as an Industrial Revolution breaks out, it will not stop until the world is as small as our modern world. There is no way the civilizations weren't going to meet just because the Set (and Trell) would be in control of Northern Scadrial. Even at current technology levels it would be a matter of time; after all, we saw it happen. And yet the setback from the Set (you know what, pun storming intended) was what made Trell change his mind.
36 minutes ago, Calderis said:And that's not needed, because we get that aspect from both bleeder and Harmony itself. The set are tools. They don't care about Harmony at all. The events throughout the books make it clear that Harmony is the target of Trell's assault though.
There's not a hint of talk about Harmony from Trell's servant. The only way you can talk this right is by saying he straight up lied to someone who was about to die in five seconds.
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5 minutes ago, Calderis said:
No it doesn't. If the purpose of the intent is to separate sapient beings from the influence of the Shards, and that intent is not self directed, than Autonomy is by nature a hypocrite who sees the interference of others as a problem that it must intercede in. Preservation is not about preserving self. Ruin is not about ruining self, Cultivation is not about cultivating self. And if I'm right Autonomy doesn't care about autonomy from itself. Just the others.
But Adonalsium was a single whole, not a 16-piece Wheel of Intents or something like that. There were no pieces of him before the Shattering, so Autonomy cannot have applied to just a part of himself.
And let me, again, quote Bands of Mourning, with different bolding (mine) this time:
Quote"But you need us!" Suit said. "To rule, to manage civilization on--"
"No longer. Recent advances have made civilization here too dangerous. Allowing it to continue risks further advances we cannot control, and so we have decided to remove life on this sphere instead. [...]"There's not even a hint of talk about Harmony or it's influence on the people. It's about civilization itself and whether Trell rules it.
Also I finished my previous post.
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9 minutes ago, Calderis said:
And why should it have stayed the same? Ruin didn't. Odium didn't. Preservation didn't. Removing the Shards from the whole that they were a part of irrevocably changed them.
And as I said previously, if Autonomy is about maintaining the autonomy of individuals, it should be more shackled than even Harmony. All action that effects something impinges upon its autonomy.
I'm not arguing Autonomy's nature, we already know we disagree about that. I'm just arguing that you're not internally consistent in your argument. If the idea of Autonomy is to protect from self, then the idea of Autonomy remains to protect from self even if the rest is stripped away. Autonomy interferes, which you say is the opposite of what the Autonomy part of Adonalsium would have done.
Ruin stayed the same - all things have to pass, it's just not balanced out by 15 other things.
Odium stayed the same - divine hatred is still needed, it's just not balanced out by 15 other things.
Preservation stayed the same - it still tries to preserve, it's just not balanced out by 15 other things.10 minutes ago, Calderis said:What did change? Medallions already existed in the south. The meeting of the magics if not the people was inevitable. And yet something did change.
My point exactly. Clearly, the technological change was not the point, as you've been arguing.
11 minutes ago, Calderis said:This is not true. We know that Taldain was blockaded from travel for a time. We don't know the reasoning for it. We also know that that blockade has ended.
I never talked about the blockade. I talked about the cosmere awareness of the people on Autonomy's worlds (under Autonomy's control; serving autonomy) versus the cosmere awareness of those following Trell.
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1 minute ago, Calderis said:
Because that was a turning point? Control and containment was the original goal. Technological advancement suddenly meant that containment was no longer a feasible plan.
What is unclear?
And where, before, do we see the Set trying to stifle technological advance and contain Scadrial? In fact, the Set has some of the most technologically advanced devices we see. Phones, for example. The machinery used by the Vanishers. They were trying to reverse engineer the airships.
Knowledge of Southern Scadrian technology didn't make Trell decide that Scadrial should be destroyed. The setback of the Set (no pun intended) and the South and North getting in contact with each other is why Trell now wants to destroy the planet. Clearly it's about controlling the planet, not stopping it from becoming spacefaring.
This also comes back to the argument I made in the opening post, how Autonomy's other worlds do not have any cosmere awareness, while it is strongly implied in the Bands of Mourning epilogue that the Set is cosmere aware, at least to a degree where they know that other inhabited worlds exist and that some people - if perhaps not them - have contact with those worlds.
6 minutes ago, Calderis said:Did you miss the portion of the conversation about how the intents are not self directed? Yes it's hypocritical, and that is completely in line with that rule of intent.
If Autonomy was what I think it was pre-Shattering, the what was "me" in Adonalsium has become "them."
But logically, "me" should have either stayed "me" or have become "us". It's about the autonomy of subjects not being influenced by Adonalsium, according to you. Autonomy is, quite literally, part of Adonalsium. There's no reason why there should at once be an exception if the autonomy is breached by Autonomy himself; that would only be the case if the Autonomy part of Adonalsium had as goal to avoid interference from other sources than Adonalsium, which is the exact opposite of what you theorized.
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I like it. I could even see Brandon refuse to say anything about Cultivation's name because he wanted to hear someone guess it correctly.
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[OB] There's something - or someone - missing
in Stormlight Archive
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I like the idea of identifying the Broken One as Honor. It would basically be a new theory though, as this one has been thoroughly RShara'd (that's what it's called, right?) with the focus on a fourth shard.