Velnica

I'm so glad lots of people mentioned Sword of Truth... I friggin held out until book 8 then I started reading book 9 (Chainfire) and holy hell is Richard just the most one dimensional, preaching, patronising hero there is. He's quite literally got no flaws! And Kahlan does whatever Richard says even though, you know, she's THE Confessor. The amount of crap that Goodkind put the less fortunate through (including Jensen and others like her) is just ridiculous. But only 3 more books you say? Well, screw that.

Did Hoid muddle with Taln's mind? Maybe made him think that he was at another time? (hence the ancient Alethi accent) Or otherwise someone is sedating him hardcore that he was pretty much not there. The Taln that appear in the epilogue of WoK was fairly articulate.

Adolin's actions most definitely would throw a wrench into Dalinar's position. As it Dalinar IS the Alethi king in all but name, so a death in a city during routine patrol will fall squarely in his responsibility. I'm guessing that Renarin's power might foresee (or have already foreseen) something that connects Adolin with Sadeas' murder, so that would also kickstart their conflict. Paranoid!Adolin would be a welcome change from his rather spoilt personality so far. Szeth's gonna go ballistic at his old Shin masters. Though I'm sure they had a trick up their sleeves to explain why he was made Truthless. Hopefully Szeth's sense of self is strong enough to contain Nightblood from wanting to kill everyone. Kaladin's gonna have a bit of issue coming home with light eyes. Maybe his family would be uncertain? Though I don't imagine Kaladin acting any differently to his parents. Bonus point: He starts ordering Roshone around since he's now got a Shardblade AND very very light eyes which makes him possibly several rung higher in dahn than Roshone. Better yet if Elhokar gives him a letter that states his ranking. Hopefully he meets Jasnah and Hoid because a meeting between these 3 crazy people are overdue. Also Jasnah will be able to tell him more about Spren theories, and maybe Syl can also meet Ivory. Shin has no mountain on the West, and therefore will have a tough time with the Everstorm. If Nightwatcher is the uvber Cultivation-spren though, perhaps we might see some pure Cultivation power being utilised to save the nation? Elhokar will either step down or crown Dalinar King Regent. I think after the last convo with Kal he might be more open to the idea that he's got shitton to learn before he can be a good King. I would also wager that due to the Riots in Kholinar we might finally see his wife. Shallan will be helping Dalinar and Navani as their right hand woman. By night she goes around as Veil. I'm expecting her to not leave Urithiru for a while, or if she does it won't be on a prolonged adventure.

Aww yes another person in the Jasnoid camp! That epilogue is all kinds of epic "Did they-" "Yes" "Did he-" "Yes" "Do we need to=" "Sure do!" Can't wait for someone to write "Jasnah and Hoid - There and Back Again"

That would put them almost smack-bang in the Navani/Dalinar comparison too. Navani was frightened of him, and she dared not approach Dalinar pretty much until the point where she was sure he'd changed. Also people do love Navani/Dalinar, why is a very slow burning Shalladin suddenly not a good relationship to come true as well?

Since the quote related to Taln, I always thought Reya was someone who might've been closed to the Heralds but not specifically Cultivation.I do like the idea that Rhysa is Cultivation's name - just so I can make the connection of Rhysadium = over-cultivated horse

Jasnah confirmed as Worldhopping Elsa from Frozen.

Jasnah needs no man. I'm actually rooting for her to be a character that doesn't end up in a romantic entanglement. That or she becomes immortal like Hoid and they have wacky Cosmere adventures where she continually challenges his notion of life. YES TO JASNOID

... From the Maps discussion I found out that the Purelake equivalent area is mountainous. What if the hole under it is actual rather massive. Perhaps even housing a gigantic Shard-spring?

To those who are already disheartened by Shalladin... Journey before destination

Hoid is like everyone's crazy uncle that pops in unannounced, acts younger than he actually is, insults everyone, gives out predictions on who's gonna die next, impart strange stories that make no sense, give you gifts that are seemingly useless, hugs all his relatives in an awkward "I've not seen you in years for a reason" kind of way and everyone has at some point noticed him talking to the candelabra. I support Hoid X Everyone/Everything.

But Shallan already had a blade beforehand (that she used to kill Mrs. Davar), which means she must've performed the 3rd Nahel bond. Unless I'm reading this all wrong?

Ooh I like this theory. What if it was actually a separate pool, that's kind of overflown into this very shallow basin and created the Purelake? Totally unsupported, but I just like the idea of it being a very diluted shardpool where magical things happen, haha.

Well damnation, how am I supposed to do work today when Peter's stoking the flame like crazy? Might print the maps on huge A3 papers at work, maybe it would provide a clearer view

Edit: ugh it triple posted... Mod can you pretty please help delete? >.<

Edit: phone, Y U double post?

Whelp my explanation got ninja'd haha. Yes Pattern was helping Shallan with Teleimaging, but the fact that the screaming was only heard when Kal touched the Shardblade was a dead giveaway of the dead spren screaming. Curious though why Relis actually heard words, but IIRC other times the KR just heard pure screaming.

The Ghostbloods offered Veil the truth. What's the chance that we'll find the rest of Shallan's pas through them? I agree though, something must've happened before the red carpet as it seemed like Pattern was already a sword before he went into the box.

The map of Roshar is symmetrical at the diagonal axis. References to Odium rebranding the world as his? /tinfoil hat on

Very good point you have there. I've honestly forgotten about that one. I do however have this question: Can Heralds properly die after they broke their Oathpact? Heralds were only roaming the world during the Desolations, and if they died they got sent back to Damnation until the next Deso-cycle rocks up. That was part of the deal. I suppose there is no precedent for the oath breaking. This was why I was cautious about Vasher being an ex-Herald. Thoughts anyone?

I don't buy it simply because in his interlude, Vasher made no mention of the desolation whatsoever, or even referenced any of the Heralds. He even mentioned the Highstorms as "one of those storms", as if he isn't used to it at all (he probably would've if he was a Herald). I know there's nothing explicitly mentioned that he wasn't a Herald, but based on his current state of being, it's really not apparent in the slightest that he could've been one.

I would agree that Hoid took the Honorblade. From the sound of it, no one else knew the innate difference between an Honorblade and regular Shardblade save for Kal/Syl, another Herald, or that annoying sharp faced man. Makes no sense if the Kholinar force exchanged the madman's blade for another one.

I think Nalan just meant that Jezrien is so deep in his cups that he's sleeping away the rest of the time and acting like an idiot.

He isn't going bad, as in turning evil. I believe that he will be more secretive and maybe a bit paranoid. The whole point of Dalinar's war campaign was to have the moral highground over the other Highprinces. Well, Adolin's action just undermined everything that his dad worked for. It would be awesome if Adolin is the 'evil prince', but even if he isn't he's still gonna have a whole lot of issues to go through.

If Shallan and Adolin get together now, it would be for all the wrong reasons. Adolin just wanted a girl that wasn't complicated, but he has yet to actively pry Shallan's outward persona open (while Kaladin sure did). Adolin has a lot of maturing to do before he will ever get with Shallan. Similarly Shallan wanted Adolin's connection to save her family. Though now that she is part of the Ghostbloods I dunno how this aspect would play out. They both like each other in a friends, maybe more sort of way. But until they actually figure out WHY they want to be with the other one, I don't see it happening. Especially because their story I think is diverging fast. There was a much more natural connection between Kal and Shallan, shared pain and all that. And that's why I believe in this one a lot more, because in a relationship you shouldn't be fake to each other.