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As for Hoid giving him to the Parshendi, I think if Hoid needed Galivar dead he would be easily capable of doing it himself, he also doesn't seem likely to ally with the Parshendi

Well, King of Kharbranth or Hoid or someone else manipulated Parshendi and achieved their goal. We don't know the goal under this agenda yet. Oh well, have to wait I guess.

If you didn't want to read it, let it suffice that being a Sliver hasn't appeared to increase anyone's power that we've directly seen. I can't speak for the Lord Ruler though.

Lord Ruler was a sliver of 1 shard for 1000 years and he got that much strong.

I don't know about you, but if I see 16 shards near me... I'll get at least one of them, or I will get partial power from all of them. And after several thousands of years my powers would be awesomely Kick Arse!

The guy who doesn't have this kind of power cannot challenge Odium.

I don't really think Stark would have had much choice, for example.

Now, I) strongly recommend you to read Mistborn 2 and 3, even though I think you will enjoy them less than you could have, given that you have already read wiki information about them and so won't be so surprised but plot twists. But oh well - nothing you can do. Don't do it again in the future!

1) Stark should have been smart enough at least not to send his people to ranging when so many of them were mysteriously disappearing. He should have been smart enough to stay at the Wall defending it when strange things were happening there. He chopped the head of a 40 year veteran whose eyes were filled with fear! A 40 year Veteran can be feared of what?!! if not for Others? Stark should have been honorable enough not to confess for the things he didn't do ! He should have been smart enough to at least consider: They fooled me once (King's wife) They fooled me twice (City garrison) So now they'll fool me thrice and kill me even if I confess!!!

I do truly hate STUPID main characters

2) As for Mistborn 2 and 3... Now, after your words, I'm considering to read Warbreaker first and then read those 2. This way I may be able to forget a bit Wiki content

this isnt true either. while eddards stupidity caused robb to rebel, there would still have been a war. if eddard used joffrey as a puppet stannis would have attacked. if eddard joined stannis he would have to fight the lannisters. the reason for all of the deaths was the fact that the kinngs children were illigitimite. it was not eddards fault that he was unable to stop the war. but his death wasn't the cause, just the catilist.

He could have done many things:

- He could've stayed behind in his region saying to his old pal King: Brother, sorry I can't do that.

- He could've stayed behind in his region explaining to King that there are very bad things happening near the Walls.

- Even if he went with king. He is a Hand of the King. The Second person in a Kingdom. He could've gathered all the main people near King and stated to them that all the king's children are bastards and gave them the proof. This way nothing happens.

As for the King himself. He is stupid as well. How come he couldn't notice that his children from his wife didn't look like him. While his bastard children looked like him

I like my kings especially main characters to be smart

I wonder what will be the difference of making love with and without using pewter.

P.S. Dear admins, if the sentence above is considered obscene, please feel free to delete it.

Greens: Kama Sutra

Lmao, that's neat.

Personally, I'd give Blue Ajah: Branden Sanderson's "Complete Cosmere Series" which includes more than 30 books upon finishing.

I just happened to notice that this coming Monday (the 23rd) is Chinese New Year. This coming year is the year of the dragon. Is it fate or coincidence that AMoL is being released during the year of the dragon?

Off topic:

Is there a chance that Jordan wrote one ending and TOR could persuade Harriet/Sanderson to change that ending to make it look better for financial purposes?

I've noticed a small inconsistency in the first book that gets weirder every time I think about it. At the end, when Rand destroys all of those Trollocs, he gets there from the Eye of the World by just closing his eyes and wishing to be somewhere else. He does not mention a slash of light opening, or moving through anything, the way portals and deathgates work in later books. And, in the prologue, it sounds like Lews Therin does the same thing. Am I missing something, or is there another way to Travel that we don't know about?

You may consider it as a side affect of sheer awesomeness of using the Eye of the World!

If Brandon decides not to write those additional books, I'm pretty certain that there will be people/fans who's gonna be tempted to write them unofficially

Definitely start at book 1. Even in High School, I was able to knock out 10 books in 1.5-2 months. You don't notice the slower pacing in the middle books quite so much when you have several volumes all together.

10 books in 2 months? That's insane!

It's like non stop reading and doing nothing else?

P.S. If you use Ipod and listen to audiobooks and spend at least 6 hours a day listening to the books. It takes 53.5 days to finish the book N10. So I guess you are right

Well, the Urteau article just got expanded by a couple hundred percent. I am, however, sure that it could have been phrased way better.

Good work.

R u planning to continue?

Chat is good.

People can share their reading methods skills, seducing skills, allomancy skills

I'm still working on the Atomic Array one (I know, I'm being slow, I'll finish after church today).

I just started at 58 minutes, where the interview with Brandon actually starts. Do you want me to go back and listen to the bits with the game designer etc. to see if anything important is in there? And are there bits of the actual interview we don't care abot (for example when he talks about how he first got into role playing)?

Lyssie,

TYVM for all your hard work.

I got to know him only after he started writing WOT. He does a great job in WOT and WOK.

Who is Hoid?

- He is the one who knew shard holders from before Adonalisium (spelling) has shattered to 16 pieces. That's thousands of years ago. So he lives long.

- He is the one who can travel through Worlds and can take people with him to travel.

- He is strong enough not to worry about assasination attempts to his life.

- He is the one who was present when Adonalisium shattered to 16 pieces.

- He is the one who openly tries to fight against Odium.

If I made any mistakes please correct me. And if you have something to add please do so.

Therefore, taking into consideration all of the above facts, one can assume that maybe when he saw 16 shards he was hesitant to possess one particular shard as he was afraid of responsibility and hold and released each and every one of the shards and became sliver of all?

Only this kind of powerful being can fight Odium and not be afraid.

I understand what you mean about Mistborn being centered in one city, although I rather enjoyed the change of pace. I love big epic books, but in my opinion it was nice to read such a concise story that didn't leave my trying to remember all these separate places. I think if you go the opposite direction and have to show too much of the world, you sometimes end up on sort of a grand tour, rather then in the important places. Another reason Brandon wrote the books as he did was because he wanted the Mistborn books to be plot based, instead of setting.

Have you got around to Mistborn 2 and 3 yet? If not I think you'll enjoy 3 more, you have travel scenes as well as two major new locations, Urteau and Fadrex City, both of which have some unique characteristics. If you'd like expanded world information I'd suggest you check out the RPG. You can get the digital edition for only 15 dollars, and you get all sorts of cool world information, (Brandon had all the world information you seem to be missing, even if it didn't make the books) as well as a short story by Brandon entitled the Eleventh Metal, about Kelsier finding malatium. I must confess that I haven't purchased it myself yet, I plan on remedying that oversight soon.

Not started Mistborn 2 yet. But planning to read it.

P.S. Wind, can you check the thread "In Topic: Cosmere 101 & Basic Q&A" I have some questions there.

I seriously doubt that he would have then given over the oathstone to the parshendi if he had it originally. He would have just kept the Oathstone and told Szeth to do what the Parshendi told him.

You have a point. But, how did he end up knowing so much information about Szeth? And how did Parshendi end up with Szeth's oathstone? We need to fill the gap between Merchant owning Szeth and Parshendi owning Szeth. It is a huge and important gap

What if it was Hoid who gave an oathstone to Parshendi? Hoid definitely do not need Szeth's services and his oathstone. That's for sure. However, he may had to kill Gavilar if he found out some important thing about Gavilar's plans in using that black stone.

Hoid:

If the author of the famous letter is indeed Hoid, it means that he knows shard holders intimately. Therefore, he lives for thousands of years. He is writing to one of the shard holders to help him in his quest. That suggests that Hoid is a very powerful person/being. So, I guessed that he is a sliver of all 16 shards.

You've interacted with two directly. - This refers definitely to Endowment, where Lightsong interacts with the Voice. Also, Devotion, when Raoden went in the pool in Elantris.

One is a tough call. You've never met the Shard itself, but you've seen its power. - This probably refers to Dominion, the second Shard on Sel. We see his power from the Dahkor monks.

The other one you have not met directly, but have seen its influence. - This certainly applies to Odium, who went to Sel and killed Aona and Skai (Devotion and Dominion's holders, respectively). We haven't seen his magic--at least, at the time of Hero of Ages--but his influence was definitely felt on Sel by the time we saw it.

My understanding was that the question and answers were regarding Mistbron and not Elantris. So, I put the answers in this light:

You've interacted with two directly. Preservation and Ruin in Mistborn with their powers - Allomancy and Hemallurgy.

One is a tough call. You've never met the Shard itself, but you've seen its power. Shard is unknown but its power is Ferumchemy.

The other one you have not met directly, but have seen its influence. My guess is the shard's influence is mists themselves. But i may be wrong.

Its all guess though.

You do make sense, but we can't necessarily assume that he actually held onto any Shard. It's all very mysterious what happened when Adonalsium Shattered. There are a lot of different possibilities. We don't even know how the Shattering occurred.

So, Hoid could very well have simply been an outside observer to the Shattering, but never had a chance to hold onto a Shard. That's certainly a possibility, but yours is also a possibility. We can only speculate madly on the subject

Thanks for your answer. Can you give me your opinion for my second question about Feruchemy as well?

As for Hoid,

If he is not a sliver, how come he has an ability to live a long life and travel through Worlds ?

Heralds were gone thousands of years ago, yet Hoid knew them personally and he greeted the tenth Herald as an old friend.

First of thanks Shiv for editing.

Secondly,

Hmmm... Break down of mistborn: eat metal and gain magic powers

I must confess. I've read WOK and enjoyed it very much. Then, I've read Mistborn 1. Enjoyed it. But, came to conclusion that the World itself centered around 1 city and it affected me negatively. So, after reading wiki pages of Mistborn 2 and 3, I decided against reading them. I came to conclusion that the main characters acted unreasonably yet again

After this I came here.

And fun things started happening to me as I've learned that Mistborn, Elantris, Warbreaker and WOK are happening in one universe. And each one was a small sample of a huge goody, which made me to change my mind on Mistborn trilogy. Now, I decided to read each and every book of Cosmere Universe.

The only negative part about it though... TIME... I wonder when this whole thing will be finished. Dragonsteel - 7 books, Mistborn - 6 more books, WOK - 9 more books... That's several decades at the least...

One question.

Can one assume that Hoid is a sliver of all the 16 Shards? If he was present during the creation of 16 shards, and if we know that he is not a holder of any one particular shard, can we assume that he temporarily hold on to every 16 shards and became a sliver of them all?

Do I make sence?

*************** second question*****************

This quoate is from wiki

Ruin and Preservation are the only Shards on Scadrial at the moment.[29] By the time of the Hero of Ages spoiler thread (before the Way of Kings release), Brandon mentioned that there were four Shards other than Ruin and Preservation that have been seen:

“You've interacted with two directly.

One is a tough call. You've never met the Shard itself, but you've seen its power.

The other one you have not met directly, but have seen its influence. ”

— Brandon Sanderson[30]

this quote is from "The Hero of Ages/Epigraphs"

Rashek wore both black and white. I think he wanted to show that he was a duality, Preservation and Ruin.

This, of course, was a lie. After all, he had only touched one of the powers—and only in a very small way at that.

Allomancy, obviously, is of Preservation. The rational mind will see this. For, in the case of Allomancy, net power is gained. It is provided by an external source—Preservation's own body.

Hemalurgy is of Ruin. It destroys. By taking abilities from one person and giving them to another—in reduced amounts—power is actually lost. In line with Ruin's own appointed purpose—breaking down the universe into smaller and smaller pieces—Hemalurgy gives great gifts, but at a high cost.

Feruchemy, it should be noted, is the power of balance. Of the three powers, only it was known to men before the conflict between Preservation and Ruin came to a head. In Feruchemy, power is stored up, then later drawn upon. There is no loss of energy—just a changing of the time and rate of its use.

Can we take into consideration the bolded sentence from the first quote and apply it to bolded description in the second quote and consider that Feruchemy comes from the third shard's power? Just asking...

Windrunner,

This theory of yours is brilliant! good read. thanks a lot !

Recently I enjoyed listening to Brandon Sanderson's interview. And Brandon said that he couldn't finish reading The Game of Thrones for whatever reasons. Well, I was waiting to read this series by Martin for a long time. But, Brandon's comments made me to take a look at it.

I read first 10 chapters. Then some comment in the book made me to take a look at wiki pages of The Song of Ice and Fire. I started reading wiki and found out that The King will be murdered, Eddard Stark dies stupidly, then his sones and many good people. And the reson for all these deaths is Eddard's stupidity.

- Eddard Stark goes to capital. leaving behind an enemy Theon in his family! Who later kills his sons!

- Eddard Stark hates the family of the King's wife,

- He knows this family is treacherous and doesn't know the meaning of honor,

- Stark is considered a great general, as he fought many battles alongside King. He should be smart, no?

- Yet Eddard Stark tells King's wife that he knows that her children are illegitimate.

- King's wife kills her husband, and all hell breaks lose.

After wiki pages, I couldn't continue reading that stuff. I just don't like stupid actions by main charcters.

Maybe I'm wrong to judge so fast. But I like my main characters to be reasonable.

Edit: Edited your topic title to mention that there are spoilers within. Some people have issue with those, for some reason. -Shiv

I would think that T would have been smart enough to have people watching outside the castle for Szeth to appear so that they could follow him if the parshendi ended up not giving the Oathstone back. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to let an asset like Szeth disappear for 6 years when they could easily have set multiple people around the castle to trail Szeth (who would then lead to the person with the Oathstone).

Fact: Parshendi people value Honor in battle and killings

Possible action: Parshendi people were somehow tricked or misguided to hire Szeth and kill Gavilar

Possible reaction: Parshendi people did not want to continue to deal with Szeth and did not want the person who gave them Szeth to reclaim him and therefore threw away the oathstone while retreating.

From what I can figure, it's very very very improbable that Taravangian had anything to do with Szeth's part in the assassination. There's only a chance (I think the chance is very small) that he was part of the assassination at all. He more likely learned how the assassination went down later on.

1) Szeth is sold to a merchant 7 years ago in Shin Lands,

2) Merchant made a HUGE profit selling it to someone who knows the value of Shin assassins,

3) ?

4) Shin somehow ended up with Parshendi and kills Gavilar.

Logic states that the third point above should be filled with some very powerful man's actions. And why not if it is the King of Kharbranth?

Welcome!

Thanks all again!

This cookie tradition reminds me of someone from Online Poker 66 community.

3. Szeth did not know the King, but that simply means he could have worked in the sidelines. However, it is obvious that the Parsendi knew about the Oathstone, which is interesting and leaves some unanswered questions. Since the majority of people outside of Szeth's homeland do not know about the oathstone, then how did some random people not knowing the language months prior learn and find the one person with the oathstone and know he was capable of succeeding?

The quotes from book below prove that behind Szeth's actions were not some random people... those were very informed people. Therefore, I think, King of Krarbranth was behind hiring Szeth through Parshendi. My thought process looks like this: Odium->King of Kharbranth->Parshendi->Szeth->massacres.

"Who are you?" Szeth repeated.

"An admirer of the arts."

"Do not call me by my father's name," Szeth said. "He should not be sullied by association with me."

King's people know Szeth's father's name.

"This from the man who nearly toppled one of the greatest kingdoms in Roshar?"

"This from the man who committed one of the most heinous slaughters in Roshar," Szeth corrected.

King's people know that Szeth was the one who killed Gavilar

"You have done your work well," the king said, still not facing him. "Leaders dead, lives lost. Panic and chaos. Was this your destiny? Do you wonder? Given that monstrosity of a Shardblade by your people, cast out and absolved of any sin your masters might require of you?"

King knows that Shin people gave this blade to Szeth. It means that he knows pretty much everything about Szeth.

Szeth frowned. And then it began to make sense. He knew what would happen next, even as the king reached into his voluminous sleeve and withdrew a small rock that glittered in the light of two dozen lamps. "You were always him," Szeth said. "My unseen master."

The king set the rock on the ground between them. Szeth's Oathstone.

At first, I thought that Szeth's remark "You were always him," was meant for the most recent deaths of High princes. But then I came to conclusion that the word "ALWAYS" in this remark included Gavilar's death also.

I may be wrong but its something to think about.