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#3. As the Shard is shattered, and holderless I feel it would be attracted to those who crave it. It would be more like the shard finding out about Kelsier, #4. Kelsier is already Ambitious, Kelsier is aware of what shards are and as he held the Shard of Preservation, I believe there is every possibility that he is aware of the other shards and their nature. Sazed said that he knows the history of his power (the two shards he holds), even though it predates his birth. And Preservation had longer/further-reaching foresight than Ruin, I can see that Kelsier COULD have gained enough direction to begin plotting what to do to attain it. Kelsier knew he could not keep Preservation, and didn't feel kinship with that power anyway. But he wanted power, and wanted to keep it. Ruin and Preservation were the last to settle and select a system to invest in. They may well have been aware that Ambition was mortally wounded and lost. The collected Shard Knowledge of Iri of which Kelsier was aware of would lead him back to them. He was aware of the locations of the perpendicularities, and was now aware of the Iri. Assuming I am correct in that Sel is the resting place of Ambition, then the Iri would have knowledge of it. Also the Atium mines would be just about ready for Atium production again It had been 340+ years by the time of the second Mistborn series. So both of the perpendicularities should be operating for the past few decades, and Hoid was able to travel to the system post Catacendre so travel is still viable. Plus all these other groups have managed to figure out how to travel the shard worlds and they did not hold a shard for a few days. I see it as very likely and very like Kelsier to do so. He wouldn't confront a shard holder as he has held that power and knows how hopeless it would be to try. But if there was an unoccupied, even if damaged, shard he would go for it.

As to where Ambition is... Just do a word search in the book Elantris for the word "Ambition". That seems to be where Ambition is. Mentioned in the same manner and sentence as Devotion, and connected with the devotion faction Shu-Dereth multiple times. If you think that is a stretch, do word searches on the rest of the Cosmere books for the word ambition. You will find that Elantris is the only book which mentions it in such a manner, and also, given the size of the book Elantris, it is is more frequently mentioned per word, and more often than any other book other than Words of Radiance, which I believe uses it more but the use of the word is merely a description or used in the negative, not am implied capitalized word, and mentioned in such a manner as to leave small doubt that it is mentioned in a cosmere manner. Given Kelsier has a relation to the Iri, it would not be a huge stretch to say it was possible. However given that there is already a faction/being (Jaddeth of Fjordell) on Sel trying to reassemble shards there (Devotion and Ambition), he would have competition. However, competition is no bar to Ambition, it would rather be an incentive, and Kelsier likes nothing more than a challenge and the more Ambitious the challenge the more he likes it. Remember his first goal was killing a God (the Lord Ruler). Key Ambition quotes from Elantris:

Parasaphni = Cultivation (probably an Honorific name, not her real name) Nadris = Honor (Again an Honorific name) 10 Children = the 10 original nations of of Roshar This, somehow, is the trap that captured Odium. Parasaphi is suprisingly similar to both Parshendi or Parap-shenesh-idi. The Parshendi have a very strong affinity to spren, but Honor and Cultivation spren are very difficult for them to bond with, however they bond very easily with Odium Spren the bond is involuntary and almost automatic. What if Cultivation created a race that acted like a sponge soaking up odium spren trapping him in the Roshar System, but he cannot come to Roshar directly as the Parshendi would just steal more of his investiture. What if Odium needs all the Parshendi killed to free himself from the system? That I believe is the twist to the StormLight series... Save the Parshendi, Save the Galaxy! *EDIT* look up Greek Mythology Persephone, I believe this is the model or Archtype that Cultivation was built from. I wonder how much more was stolen from Persephone, Has she "Married" Odium? will she also rule Odium's "Kingdom" and present a more pleasing afterlife than Hades, I mean Odium was able to offer people?

That was dead shardplate... I have a pet theory that just as Syl had cousins in the windspren the other KR spren types also had cousins (creation spren for the Lightweavers, lifespren for the edgedancers) their shardplate is formed of the cousins of the KR spren. That is how they summon and dismiss the plate piecemeal without putting it on or taking it off. Some of the KR might never have shardplate, as only about 1/4 were strictly military in function according to Jasnah. And most of them were Windrunners. The KR Windrunner that showed up in Dalinar's vision dropped from the sky in shardplate, so either he assembled the windspren into Plate midair (I believe this IS possible) or else Living ShardPlate not only doesn't inhibit surgebinding but rather helps amplify it. Thus the glowy aspect.

So, not Hoid... Not a Main storyline Character. Either the GhostBloods, a stone shaman, or another of the heralds... perhaps Taravangian predicted the event in the diagram. but as Taln is still honorbound he should be able to pull the blade back to him, shouldn't he? Shalash did mention that she should get a shardblade... Even though the heralds were supposed to put them down and never meet again. Except for Nin who was to be on Surgebinder execution duty.

Damnation! HOID, your RatFink! That is yet another bit of investiture you stole. He upgraded from a regular shardblade to an honorblade. I missed that, thanks for pointing it out. I completely forgot it screamed as he unbonded the blade.

I wonder if this could be why the Shard Blade that Dalinar was carrying at the end of WoR (acquired from Taln) was just a shardblade for Dalinar. Taln did not break his Oath. Thus the Honor Blade wouldn't work for Dalinar. But then again either Dalinar was nascent-stormlight-using to heal during that battle or the Honor Blade was working for him. So, given these facts it either definitively proves or disproves your thoughts. All we are missing is whether Dalinar used stormlight because he was nascent or because he was wielding an Honorblade.

Okay, I wonder if topography, color, and contrast aren't the only things mirrored in the Cognitive realm? Perhaps Size is as well. Exhaustion spren in the real world are very small, but in Roshar's CR they are startlingly large, so much that Shallan couldn't recognize them, then we also have the Grinders from the quasi-cannon Jasnah micro-story. We have the large luminescient strider spren that walks the highstorm in the real world on spindly legs (Oathbringer- Dalinar flashback of the Party). I wonder if in the CR it would be Mouse size, has anyone got a good theory as to what that spren was? The StormFather manifests as a sky sized head, but the thing does seem to fling a boulder at Dalinar, so it could be the StormFather. I presume it either retreats to the CR between storms, as I didn't get the impression that the storm goes all the way around the planet... I got the impression that it is born in the east and dies in the west, but does not actually completely circle the globe, or if they (Highstom and StormStrider) do then they might drop into the cognitive realm so the storm is always over land. Do we have quotes of the Highstorm in the CR? I'll search later, if someone doesn't have them handy.

I wonder if that means spren glow brightly to a shard vessel as metals do on Scandrial? We haven't had any shard holder view points on Roshar to date so it will be interesting.

Agreed, my theory on shard numbers only deals with the quantification of the powers, not their qualities and it relates them to the number of purposes or attributes, if the shards all don't identify them as purposes. I believe it was stated that Preservation viewed them as gifts, I'll have to look that up, though. And I'll have to look up the info on Focuses and what Brandon said about them. I see many quotes that deal with the quality of powers, and everyone seems to jump to equate quality with quantity. One good fact can topple 1000 best guesses.

Well, technically those are the names of the character, they are not spelled out, just as we pronounce the letter "H" as aCHuh, but write it as "H". It could be that it bears no relation, but if we are going to run with this point it holds also that many real world languages do have a single letter such as Arabic and the other semetic languages for SH and TH, and KH and Persian also has one for CH I believe. But those foreign languages also have solo letters for diphthongs so the Shao and Sheo could then be written as 2 letters each. One for the SH sound and one for the AO or EO sound. In arabic if you wanted a diphthong for AE you would put a diacritical mark over the Aleph. However it is often omitted and the reader just has to infer the proper vowel form for the letter. And Pictograph languages like Chinese are not Phonetic, just symbolic with what amounts to a separate letter for each word.

Well, I am glad you have a theory, even though you hadn't posted it on this thread, if anywhere. But as I see it your theory is just "because". Because each world has a number, done. That doesn't give us any clue as to what will happen if another shard shows up. If Preservation uproots himself and shows up on Roshar suddenly there will only be 10 allomantic metals? It has to be metals, unless the entire nature of Preservation changes. Such as, if it were to change to gems then gems would be blinding to Preservation. Other shards will be showing up on other planets later in the series. Ala, Autonomy on Scandrial. But Honor had his purposes before he ended up on Roshar, and those purposes were 10 in number. Scadrial didn't exist prior to P&R, so why did that planet get the number 16? The answer seems to be "Because". I don't see that as a rule of the cosmere... Perhaps the numbers things has nothing at all to do with the Cosmere. But I rather think a god would make the planet the way they want not the other way around. We haven't yet seen a planet with no prior shard involvement present with a number. That is why this theory never presented in my mind. But we do have 2 shards explicitly stated that they have number s significant to them. However feel free to explore this and if you start a thread (let me know). then I will report any planets i find presenting numbers. If you do not start a thread then I will reply to this post.

And many more times, you state that you don't understand what I am saying. you state repeatedly that you don't see it. Not once has anyone doubted this. I believe you wholeheartedly that you do not see it. It is not my purpose to try to make you see it. All I want are references to numbers of shards in the stories. I stated why i wanted the numbers for context. While there have been people who have pointed out information to continue this effort (I may have never spotted Endowment's number as it was more subtle), others just seem to want to downvote any post I make about this. I really do not understand why. Is that the purpose of this site? Downvoting a theory because you do not understand it? Or are you supposed to downvote a theory because you have a competing theory? If there is a competing theory about the number of magic systems that has a relevance on the Cosmere other than "because", why hasn't it been mentioned along with the downvote? I have never used the downvote button as it seems counter-intuitive to promoting a discussion. If someone came out making hateful comments, using foul language, or trolling another poster, then I could see downvoting someone. But not just because I don't see their theory as they do. I see that act as trying to silence anyone who doesn't think as you do. Which would lead to a forum of only one voice, which would invalidate this entire site. What would be the point of having people come here to discuss the books if only one viewpoint were allowed? You have repeatedly put up arguments against this theory, I have countered them with my interpretation, my interpretation is not baseless I am not blindly throwing thoughtless arguments out as I have given reasons, quotes, and references for my points. You just do not see it from my perspective. You read things differently. Great, that is what I want in this site! But I also want this site to ALLOW another viewpoint to be expressed as well as my viewpoint, which it seems is not what at least 4 other posters want. But as I stated before, the way you see things does not change the way I see things. There is actually a real world theory that everyone who proclaims a favored color, each all see the exact same color in their mind. It is just that they were taught different names for it, as their brains translate the light frequencies differently. A blind person sees color differently, than one who can see. I would rather be lambasted for following my convictions than be lauded for abandoning them.

I said he does the Math in a different way, for the sake of writing. and that quote from him plus his class on writing shows he had to come up with a way to "Go Deeper with Magic instead of going Wider" specifically because of Stormlight Archive, as otherwise his magic would be all over the place and would lose its value to the reader. The Structure he had in place, if you follow my logic (which it seems you don't and that is fine by me), does support this kind of structure. Magic System combinations when shards mix have to be a mathematical function of each other (add, subtract, divide, multiply, square or root). So far in every system in which we have a pretty good idea what the shard numbers are, this system seems to yield a workable solution, when a book comes out that flagrantly spoils this illusion then the theory dies, like so many before it. You say you see things differently, that does not change the way I see things. I don't think it is wrong for two people to read the same book and come up with different meaning and interpretations. In fact there are many quotes from Brandon that state that this is one of the things he loves about reading and writing. I promise that I have not killed your dog with any of the words i have written. Do not take offense at them, this idea poses no threat to you nor any of your beliefs or theories you might have. Please try to let other people have theories in a forum that they can be discussed without someone demanding everything must be proven... If everything were proven it wouldn't be a theory, it would be written by Brandon in one of the books.

I was actually thinking in/near the horneather peaks which were just outside the border with Alethela, and which might house the Honor Pool, but either way was trying to make a joke at my mistake about where Szeth said he left it, as I didn't look it up before posting. But regardless, I believe Hoid has it and that is the element he spoke of in the letter. Silver Kingdoms map

Brandon Sanderson - 318R - #8 (Magic Systems) Third Law, about 41 minutes in. also from his web page about the third law: Seems like making an exception to strengthen the storybuilding is exactly what he would do.

My response to this is: YES, that is pretty much exactly what I am saying, but don't take it much, if any further than that. Adonalsium was a Pie of all flavors. When s/he was sliced up there were 16 slices, each of a different flavor, color, size. The First Slice was 1X big, the second slice was 2X big, ... , The 16th slice was 16X big. The size does not indicate Volume or mass, but rather another quality (I could have said purposes, but it wouldn't fit the pie analogy), just as any fraction of infinity is still infinite, no one slice is more or less powerful than another. the shards seem to have specific numbers associated to them, we have enough info on enough shards to begin seeing a pattern, This may be a false supposition, but every supposition that is never so posed will always be false. If you never take a guess you will ALWAYS be wrong. I don't see anyone else talking about this type of quality of the shards. That is why I wanted to see how many other people might have noticed what I did. And if they did, then they might point out other things along this line that I might have missed. This has no bearing on what planet they land on. This is an attempt to determine what the intermingling rules are for shardic powers. I didn't really want to get into any of this type of discussion on these boards because this theory is still baking... All I wanted to do was say hey I started noticing this number thing, has anyone else seen this and maybe spotted other things that I don't have on my list? I never expected so much flak, for posting a simple number theory on a theory board. If I could delete the whole thing I would. My response to this is: NO and only the first half YES. 1. I have 2 brothers that I share nothing in common with. We are still related. We just were not all born at the exact same time, that would have been very traumatic probably to both of my parents, and probably to each of us boys as well. 2. Each magic system in the Cosmere has a specific distinct Ordinal and Cardinal number. The 16th shard has 16 attributes (I haven't heard Preservation refer to them as purposes as other shards have) the 10th shard has 10 purposes, the 1st shard has one purpose. The connection I am seeing is that the 16th shard has a base16 magic system, the 10th shard has a base10 magic system, the first shard only has a one function magic system. It so far seems the 5th shard can only create 5 forms of life if you count humans as one, and as each human is born with a Breath on Nalthis I believe you have to count that, right along with the other 4 forms of Breath-Created life. If Honor and Endowment were on a planet you would have either a 15 or 50 power magic system, depending on whether Brandon went additive or multiplicative (he might go subtractive in the future, for reasons below). I think he tends to go additive when the shardic numbers are high as creating and making a 240 magic power system on one planet just because shard 15 and 16 showed up on one planet would be VERRY difficult. We may see squares of powers on a planet with 2 low number shards just to give a more diverse magic system if that ever occurs in the series, and on Roshar I think it has been stated that Void Binding will be very similar to Surge Binding, mostly because there are just so many powers and making them all be interesting AND wildly different would be super duper hard. Actually, I agree with @The One Who Connects, I didn't read his comment as a refutation, nor did I read it as a subscription to my cause, It just sounded to me like he saw what I was saying and tried to say it better. I actually thought he kinda nailed it quite eloquently ("nailed it quite eloquently", such an eloquent statement). No he didn't. That is what he said. One of those rules might be shard numbers. He did not elaborate, but neither did he say "Hawkido is just dumb." If the 30 magic systems include Odium I stated that it would probably be shards 9, 10, and 11. I also said if Odium's void bindings were not in that thirty, then it would be 3X10. As I stated that I am unsure as to exactly what numbers cultivation and Odium are. We have strong hints but nothing that nails it down. The old Magic might very well be (partially due to its name and due to it possibly being the origin of the original spren) be a power of Adonalsium, left over from the original shattering as has been theorized by people better than me. That is why it is difficult or possibly spoilery for Brandon to talk about it in "certain" language. On Scandrial there are 16 allomantic metals, the Feruchemists have 16 powers based upon the 16 allomantic metals, but hemalurgy only SEEMS to play by these rules, but doesn't. Ruin has the exact same powers as anyone he steals them from... Ruin only has one power, the power to steal at a loss, and that power seems to be very unique to his shard. It also matches up with his one stated purpose, atrophy. We end up with 3 systems on one planet with 2 shards. a 16 power system which is Preservation's, a one power system which is Ruin's and a mix system that also has 16 powers which is feruchemy (which might be rebranded as Harmony's magic system as it is balance, and was formed by the interaction/friction of P&R). But how do we end up with a mix system with the same number of powers? 16X1. this also shows up nicely with how Ruin can take from anyone a power and repurpose it. The medallions in GEN2 Mistborn, are actually Feruchemy, not Hemalurgy. They are not powers acquired through theft and loss but rather gifted for free, with the source of the power being linked to via connection. Now do you see why it could be considered that same power... it is a power that is mirrored by a power that steals it and they mixed to create a power that is a power and its own reflection. 16X1=16 While talking with you has helped my theory along, I didn't want to drag other people, who might see this thread, into this messy theory-baking process, I just wanted a data collection point. It seems this might not be the place for me to post. In your signature, you seem to indicate that Preservation makes things go, actually Preservation makes things stop. Ruin Makes things go.

Odium is forced, in his Broken state, to absorb Honor and turns into Justice (due to Righteous Anger). Then he is forced to kill himself in a bout of SelfJudgement. Szeth picks up the Combo Shard, and tries to continue the Cultivation romance as she seems to be interested in Just Plants. LOL that was Bad, Kaladin's Mom would be ashamed of me.

Wow, I just saw what you are talking about... Somehow I really goofed the quoting on that post... I'll see if I can fix it. Thanks for pointing it out.

Jezrien murdered Talenel'Elin to execute a plan based upon Ishar's theory that the OathPact could still be kept with only one Herald holding the Pact, other heralds (not including Taln) might have been aware of the plan in advance, I do not believe that Nale was one of them as he would be forced by his nature to Judge Jezrien, and the conspirators (if there were more than one) felt sure Taln would die anyway, and wouldn't give up the Pact even if made aware of the plan. The conspiracy required Taln to die, if not naturally in combat then it would need to be arranged. This betrayal of Taln by Jezrien, has caused him to be wracked by guilt that eventually drives him mad. Thus the Quote from Nale about Jezrien drooling. Jez might not have literally put a knife in Taln's back, but merely arranged for support to be just a bit too slow, in the way of historical kings eliminating local rivals while on the same side of a battle (ala, Dalinar and Sadeas)... The above death rattle seems to be from Jezrien, as the Chapter pictures are of Jezrien and Taln this is a hint that the death rattle is about them. The part about "is that his blood or mine?" seems to be a realization that he has killed both of them. Shalash seems to have recently been made aware of the plan and has begun a crusade to remove her image from the heralds so as not to be judged with the other heralds as she was not part of the plan, else she is cowardly trying to hide the image as she was part (could also be, much like Shallan, she just doesn't want to be recognized as it "makes it more difficult to fool people", perhaps she has been doing this for millennia, but you would think people would have caught on, "Huh, make a statue or painting of Shalash and it mysteriously gets defaced a month or two later, wierd!" Anyway, this is what breaks the OathPact, as with honorspren when you break your oath you kill your spren. When the Heralds break the oathpact they kill what is left of Honor, (which I believe died before any of the 10 Human races made in Honor's image were birthed via Cultivation's last ditch effort to save something of Honor), this causes the WindRunners to break their oaths, either because they were lied to by the Heralds, or they felt something change and threw down their weapons (Spren Blades and Shardplate) in protest of the Betrayal. The False Knights Radiant pick up the shards and try to continue the Knights but they are flawed and the flaws compound after a few generations, a tradition begins, Kill a Shard Bearer gain his shards, Having shards changes Eye color, therefor Light eyes are Superior to Dark Eyes. Then the False Knights fall into ruin Uritheru is lost the Heirocracy happens, then ends, and a thousand years later here we are awaiting the final true desolation with no OathPact to protect what is left of Honor remaining in "the Hearts of Man" This will be revealed in Book 5 of The StormLight Archive.

Doh! teach me to post from memory. But where is Urithiru? Szeth knows where and is shown visiting the place at least twice in the series, and if he wishes to keep that black sphere from other's hands where else would you hide it except a place that you are pretty sureonly he, in his mind, can get to. If it is in Jah Keved, then Hah! Otherwise, thanks for the correction. Well, that whole branch of my thought was based upon the supposition of the OP (which I don't follow, but thought it was interesting enough that I want to play with LiquidBlue's thought, so have a cookie OP!), The section where Szeth says he hid the Sphere, mentions a story by his drunk Oath-Stone holder where he claims he stole a black glowing Sphere from the NightMother. Perhaps, Gavilar did the same, or this drunkard (Took was his name, in case there is a later mention in the series, as we are promised King G viewpoints at a later time) was with Gavilar's retinue when King G acquired his black sphere and Took creatively adapted the story to give it more "Pub Appeal". As to Whether you can alloy it, we just don't know enough about the black sphere and shardic mixing using the Lerasium bead. Another thought: It seems to me that Honor died before the current batch of humans (humalikes counting Amians, if the Amians aren't a pure cultivation species that even predates the Honor humans, which I kinda think they are) as there is the story of a Womanly being using a stone to birth 10 peoples with her dead lover's seed. That Places Honor's death many many thousands of years in the past... way before the recreance, having trouble finding that quote right now, not getting the word search close enough to it, will edit with the quote when I find it, if HighLord HyperFingers doesn't beat me to it) Another Another Thought: If Honor and Odium Combined would the result be Justice? That would be righteous anger would it not?

Hmm might have also answered one of my questions about what happened to one of Bleeder's spikes, Hoid has it in his pocket of many things. Assuming it is a blend of Odium/Autonomy godmetals.

Perhaps I am just way off base, but I thought the element that Hoid was protecting was the black sphere that Szeth got from from King Gavilar. I believe Szeth said he hid it, and implied that he hid it in Urithiru, but that pretty much means Hoid has it, as you really cannot hide anything from Hoid. Hoid probably had it minutes after Szeth left it in Urithiru. This might have something to do with reviveing dead spren or might be part of Honor. It might be Tanavastium. But I don't believe that it is the bead of Lerasium that Hoid is talking about in the Letter (unless there is a WoB stating otherwise that I have missed). That being said, let's say he is alloying the Lerasium... who says he always has to alloy it with a mistborn metal... what if some of it was alloyed with whatever that blacksphere was? or perhaps some other planets investiture that cannot be simply picked up, unlike Breath, which is relativly easy for a world hopper to acquire via trading. I don't know that a spren would bond with Hoid as he doesn't have Honor or cultivation "in his heart", and Odium doesn't seem like he likes Hoid too much.

Yes, 1*X what ever ruin is up against he can hijack in order to inflict ruin. Thanks for finding this quote, I couldn't remember it enough to find it again. While not conclusive it does not exclude my guess and does not break my theory, might even play exactly into it. Currently we have only seen one being that used foreign spikes on Scandrial, Each were made for her, where are the other spikes she used? perhaps she had a minion collecting and placing them near her for easy swapping/retrieval. We don't have clear confirmation as to which shard provided the material/intent for these spikes but autonomy seems to be most likely, but others believe that each shard has a unique color associated with them, and the red mist and red discoloration on the spikes places Odium and Ambition at odds if that is the case. Unless the red discoloration was for Odium and the other metallic color was of Ambition, then the aluded-to coalition between Autonomy and Odium and the unique shard color coordination would match up. I wish we had more information about Autonomy as I would have picked Autonomy's shard number to be 1 as individuality and 1 are symbolic, but it seems Autonomy has more than one purpose, so the symbology there has to be deeper than just surface meaning. Another thought on Ruin and Hemalurgy, Ruin cannot control someone who is in the act of destroying, It goes against his very nature to stop those who destroy. Marsh exploited this. This would mean that Sazed cannot stop someone who uses Hemalurgy to destroy. Interesting.

Well see that is the problem, I am not trying to examine things that are alike. I am counting Oranges on one planet and Apples on another. The powers are presented differently, used and passed on differently, and have completely different rules and laws. Why would they be categorized the same? I categorize my paints by hues and pigments, and my nuts and bolts by size and thread. Why would i try to categorize my paints by size and thread? Again, why would they be categorized the same. When none of them are. Again, this is the third example of you not escaping the trap of thinking everything must be judged equally, Do you always check the exact same places when looking for something? Even if you do not find it? Why not look someplace you have not looked? Example time: three farmers all brothers, the first son had only one tree, the second son had two barns and the third son had three children. I am saying 1 = 1, 2 = 2, and 3 = 3. I can see why you think I am not judging things the same, and understand why you have problems with it, but this is the problem, expand it out to 16 brothers... and lets judge them all on the same variable... number of children, how is it possible that the 16th brother did not have 15 children before he had 16? you get a violation of the relationship of a number to a shard before being able to reach the shards number. So I am comparing each shard and what it has to another shard and what it has. The problem is there are planets that have more than one shard, Sanderson has said that usually having more than one shard on a planet will cause more magic systems, and also corrupt some magic systems so they work and/or behave differently. So we have 30 magic systems on Roshar, but on Scandrial we know preservation is 16 (self proclaimed) Ruin seems to be one, as he has only one purpose, ruin, and his power plays directly into that purpose, the corruption between the shards create other magic system, on that planet 1x16 makes sense. The rules are not the same. This is very much like an IQ test. it doesn't have to be the same rule that creates a relationship on every question. Each system in the cosmere is a different question, a different rule or relationship will apply to each question. What I am looking for and beginning to find and looking for help for the rest of the shards is that the answer to question 1 is 1 the answer to question 16 is 16 the answer to question 10 is 10. And there you are... saying "Question 1 is about boxes and Question 10 is about cars! You should count the boxes in question ten..." There are no boxes listed in question 10. I am comparing the answers to the questions together with the number of said questions... and the answers are matching up both cardinally and ordinally. Yes there may be inaccuracies, I will be making errors (have already at least twice, and acknowledged them and made corrections and additions to the list.) But I have also received feedback from a few different people catching things and pointing out significance that I was able to re-read and find those same hints and patterns. But if you do not want to help then ... don't. If you want to find something else in the books then ... please do. That is what Sanderson said is so great about writing and reading, everyone is free to find what they want in the books. That is why he said he doesn't want to tell people how to pronounce names or places in the books. I now see what you are calling a double post, I had always thought that was somehow posting the same comment twice. I had presumed that somehow the forums had put my comment up twice the first time, and someone deleted it. I will refrain from making back-to-back comments. I have mostly been a forum lurker all my life, few times have I ever posted. I will acclimate to the forum protocols.