Just another guyn

I can see having a lot of connection being able to make people worship you.... or at least respect you a lot and obey orders fairly consistently, but connection might do other things.... 

according to mistborn book 1 , the lord ruler has a perfect memory, which I assume is due to compounding copper.

Also, just to make sure I understand the original theory, you are suggesting something like how there are the groups of four metals (physical, mental, temporal, etc.) that there are groups of shards like this?

On 4/6/2017 at 0:38 AM, Thanatos said:

Well he does team up with Hoid in Mistborn era 4. The space one. 

But i dont think anyone but a shard can assemble a shattered shard. 

Also how do u reply to someones post?

I need to find the quote, but I know it is possible to reassemble a shard. Difficult, but possible.

16 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said:

Shard intents don't twist them against themselves. Ruin didn't want to ruin himself and Preservation didn't preserve himself so I don't think Odium would hate himself. 

I'm pretty sure we have a WoB that odium hates himself. Preservation did try to preserve himself... he just wasn't successful. And in a way, ruin did ruin himself. As ati was a good person before taking up the shard, he was ruined, becoming the advocate of destroying everything (something most good people would disagree with) 

NounEdit

odium n ‎(genitive odiī);

1. a hated thing
2. hatred

I can see spook as an edge dancer, serene as an else caller, and hrathen as a windrunner (he came to save them)

Interesting theory. Are you saying honor used hemelurgy on himself? also, how then could the Soren mimic what he did? Did they themselves steal parts of honor and cultivations spirit web?

On 11/12/2016 at 0:10 PM, Landis963 said:

Assuming that "Intent creep" affected all the Shardvessels the way it did Leras, I don't believe Honor would have been capable of it.  (mitigating circumstances e.g. Preservation splitting off half his mind to make a prison for Ruin notwithstanding).  Which means Cultivation is the only remaining suspect.  (As I'm assuming that Odium can't backstab himself that way)

Note that hatred can include self hatred, and odium backstabbing himself and blaming honor would be a very interesting twist

Harmonium is ettemetal

I don't remember where, but in some quote somewhere Brandon confirms that using any investiture... changes you in some way.

The oath pact has something to do with odiums binding, also since odium is basically investiture, then you couldn't really invest him... Brandon has confirmed that using investiture on investiture is problematic (for example, you can't lash shard plate.)

18 hours ago, Oversleep said:

Do you think there is a difference between lerasium alloy of malatium and atium alloy of lerasium-gold alloy?

Anyway, I think you may want to take a look at that.

18 hours ago, The One Who Connects said:

Not exactly

I suppose if you want to go purely theoretical, then there would be quite a few. I'll let someone else check the math, since I am either misunderstanding what you wrote, or the equation in the image, but I feel that the number should be lower than that.

See http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1181

If the coin shot pushes on the bits of metal the edge dancer has, then steel wins hands down. In addition, acording to mistborn book 1, there is no upper limit to how much speed a ferring could use at once if they have the ammount of speed stored. For a compounder, this wouldn't be a problem. Add to that that they can more or less fly, and investiture makes you immune to downsides that a regular person would experience if doing the same thing, so long as they are still using it, (atium brain enhancements,  pewter making it so you don't fall on your face, etc etc.)

edit: I did find a quote from Brandon that indicates friction would eventually burn a steel compounder up

14 hours ago, Oversleep said:

Do you think there is a difference between lerasium alloy of malatium and atium alloy of lerasium-gold alloy?

Anyway, I think you may want to take a look at that.

I do, since the metals themselves do different things

In response to 1.

https://www.tor.com/2016/02/05/brandon-sanderson-answers-your-audible-live-chat-questions/

Question: Is the metal on Scadrial specially invested? Can an Allomancer use metals from other planets?

Brandon: Metal is a key, not the source of power itself. Most is not specially invested. It glows because of the power seeking to come through it, not because of the power within it.

this means that metal on non invested planets can be burned. There are other quotes to support it. This also means that the shard doesn't need to be around for its metal to be burned, thus if one were on roan are, atrium would still work.

In response to 2 . 

The new God metal can steal multiple properties, where areas atium can steal any one ability. But even so, something having similar hemelurgic properties, doesn't indicate anything of its allomantic abilities.

in response to 3:

im talking about the equivalent of harmonium for other shard combinations. E.g. Dominion and devotion combined to make Unity,  would have it's own metal separate from its individual shard metals, and so it's not an alloy (in the normal sense) it's essentially a new shard metal from a new shard.

finnaly, that could be metals available on scadrial, not including other planets. Millions of powers allomantically grants each bit of the powers of creation, I would assume, and that could explain why some of the known powers seem more random.

sorry if that doesn't make sense, I'm terrible at typing

I need to find the quote on this, but for the person who said aluminum was useless to a misting, they can also prevent other forms of investiture from effecting them (for example they could stop lashings from windrunners from effecting them). Having calculated out the possibilities of every God metal combination and the resulting alloys with the basic metals, we get well over a million possibilities (1,048,576)

Is this correct:

Every shard can combine with the regular 16 metals to form 16 new alomantic alloys plus every shard combination because harmony and harmonium then there are a total 1,048,576 possible alomantic metals and powers if all sixteen shards and their combinations are used. This includes the known god metals.

this is based on the facts that: It has been confirmed by Brandon that what ruin is to atium, Honor is to shardblades

Based on the formula

File:Https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/images/cn.svg

Where N is the number of shards and are can equal any whole number between 1 and 16 (sixteen shards) plus the additional non god metals as one more combination, the following determines the maximum number of allomantic alloys

(65535 + 1) * 16 = 1,048,576

support for this theory 

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=692#28

I assume Every shard can combine with the regular 16 metals to form 16 new alomantic alloys (as can every shard combination because harmony and harmonium) then there are a total 1,048,576 possible alomantic metals and powers if all sixteen shards and their combinations are used. This includes the known god metals.

this is based on the facts that: It has been confirmed by Brandon that what ruin is to atium, Honor is to shardblades

Based on the formula

File:Https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/images/cn.svg

Where N is the number of shards and are can equal any whole number between 1 and 16 (sixteen shards) plus the additional non god metals as one more combination, the following determines the maximum number of allomantic alloys

(65535 + 1) * 16 = 1,048,576