Stick.

raincheck on that kas, i want to talk to mat first can you elaborate on why or is it just a gut feeling?

…you know what I’m gonna let u cook, not voting you today anyway what’s your thoughts on Illwei? Edit: a bit weirded out by the consistent bringing up of the fact that you are new tho. This is your third game

Whyd you say you had been sticking with your e!kas read when this demonstrably wasn’t the case?

really? it felt the opposite to me. no one seemed to have a clear direction c1. aeo was selfing, tkn posted twice neither post containing a single read, all mat did was case aeo when the votes were already set, illwei engaged a bit with aeo then launched a surprise attack on mat after not really having spoken with him all so much, and all ravens did was talk about you and im not inclined to view ravens as a tunneled villager - looking at their process (assuming im not massively misinterpreting our c1 interaction; theyve yet to clarify), this is what i think went down in the elim doc: ravens: im gonna sus this kas guy, gl me elim#2: ok, hf ravens: damn, other players think he's obv v and also he just wrote a thesis about why my argument is bad at 3 levels. guess i cant push him now. *goes into thread and posts this * ravens: ok, hedge committed ravens: damn, im being asked to declare a solidified stance. guess ill say villa. * posts this * elim#2: NOOO OMG dont do that!! villagers tend to STICK TO THEIR GUNS!!1!! you cant appear too trusting of other people's opinions or too flipfloppy, people will call you OUTED ravens: oh ok ill say that then * posts this * elim#2: it's kinda sus that you didnt actually vote kas after saying that ravens: ok * makes mental note to do this when new thread is up* some of that is a bit of a stretch, ill admit EDIT: Wdym by the third? also wdym by the blue bolded? EDIT2: Also kas it's weird you think illwei/stick is the most plausible team when you acknowledge we didnt interact in any meaningful way yesterday - because you know i like theatrics with teammates in-thread. e!me wouldnt just ignore them

i mean sure but like...why? 2 mislynches is a piece of cake with locked votes, i wouldnt risk having others back me up when i shade my partner. we've already seen this lobby is trigger happy when it comes to using their votes. it's way easier to just lock your partner v and move on. i call it my wolfy expansion of PoE How are those two things related? Temporarily breaking meta by acting detached to the game in order to emulate one's v-meta is extremely easy AND extremely optimal. And it serves a purpose because theoretically it should get them villa-read. Breaking optimal play for ??? reasons is not that clear cut and unless you come into the thread and see your partner under heavy fire already, i dont see why the other elim should shade them. are you talking about raven? if so, i think it's very clear if you read my conversation with them that i was trying to get them into the game because it felt like they had nothing to talk about/no one to talk to, and as talked i was starting to lean villa right up until this point where i got whiplash at their weird 180 backtracking. i think my process there is pretty clear if you wanna read through it again. If you mean aeori, i thought their behaviour was odd initially but i did chalk it up to NAI later, and acknowledged that their playstyle is inherently scummy. that should be interpreted as a signal that i probably will not be voting them. yeah, youve got my process all wrong. engaging with/questioning people does not automatically mean im sussing them - as a villager im way more worried about/scared of getting the more unreadable players wrong, so i will do my best to figure them out by forcing them to generate content. ------------------------ if im being real with myself, i floated an e!you world to mat because of that TKN kill - youve admitted before that TKN has one of the more accurate reads on you. Additionally, the kill suggests elims want us to maintain the status quo. That aside, i think you were villagery d1. I think illwei makes sense as a partner to you but ive also nodded along to a bunch of illwei's takes so im not too gung ho about that world. i am still leaning mat as my vote, unless he's about to obv village today. @Ookla the Destined talk to me about ravens and illwei. why was illwei so high on your c1 readslist? why was kas lower than tkn? VOTE SIGNAL: MATRIM'S DICE EDIT: Mat, what did you mean by this? what are you assuming re: elim numbers? how would exeing you c2 after exeing aeori c1 bring us ot lylo in c3?

Actually. @Ookla the Destined thoughts on a kas/Illwei team? If you’re village then that is probably the team exactly. Kas about your first question, this is a set up where the optimal elim strategy is to v-lock your partner early sod1 and work from there. Bussing is extremely suboptimal, and throwing shade at a partner is extremely suboptimal. Talking about this set up in particular. My view on JNV is that it’s very easy to temporarily break out of meta like that. Though I’ll admit I didn’t look at JNV at all last cycle because of the meta argument.

I’m not an elim simply because you can’t make a viable team with me in it: - I wouldn’t have forced my teammate mat to use his double vote when I had made grounds to vote Raven there yesterday. So can’t be teamed with Mat - was going to vote Raven. Cant be teamed with Raven. - was blindsided by illwei’s vote. Too disorganised to be teamed. - kas is prob village so can’t be e/e with him lol - guess could be teamed with JNV. if you’re looking for e!me worlds then me+JNV is your team. Im pretty sure mat is one. Second could be ravens if they acted on impulse SoD today without consulting, but could also just be JNV. JNV+Illwei is another team, since I doubt Illwei is with ravens due to shade directed there during c1 but I’ll have to check how serious that was. what is this @Ookla the Destined? You’re saying one elim in 5 people out of 8 that signed up. Seriously? that’s just statistics and doesn’t sound like a real legacy to me. @Ookla of Ravens can you answer my question from yesterday? What takes were you referring to when you said there were takes you felt were easily refuted that you’re sticking with.

Matrim's Dice @Ookla the Destined joining this because id rather force a competitive vote wagon formation to occur. I also just read all mat posts and i got no village pings. will be spicy to see if elims decide to use their vote manip @Kasimir id recommend you dont negate that poke vote even if wagons get close actually idk what your read on me is. im a villager btw I also feel bad thinking of voting raven cuz they said they got ML'd D1 in their first game so i think theres a chance their process may naturally come off as elimmy

ok now what LOL we have one on me, one on aeo, one on mat if i place one on ravens then uhhh jnv, tkn, ravens, mat are left with votes

okay i need to go now... im going to place a vote on ravens soon. im sorry ravens if youre village, your last post seems to lack a coherent progression when you said kas' post was villa, then jumping back and saying you have been sticking to your guns, it's not true unless im misinterpreting something

yea it's why i said im gonna drop it, it's not fun to chase after that weird angle anyway. i dont village read him and still want the answer to my question but im prob not voting there today

missed this - my initial line of thought was the former, then i read it again and realised it doesnt have to be intentional, and that elims couldve misunderstood the mech just the same. so it cant be a derp clear in any case. i assume theres only two elims, and i assume they hadnt gone over every detail of the game that early into the cycle, so it's possible. edit: and imo the first post doesnt match his claimed line of thought in the follow up explanation post which makes it come across as wolfily phrased if true

ah, gotcha. that's fine, youre good edit: actually no wait, i assume what youre referring to here is the elim!kas take that kas and i argued against? but you just said you villa read his response. so are you sticking with your initial read or? @Ookla of Ravens

Really? none of your explanations sounded nonsensical to me so it's interesting you have that self perception. What posts are you referring to? ah yea we can vote 3-2 hours before eod so the person dying has time to leave a few last words ill be asleep tho so ill vote in an hour or so and then dip i think locked votes in a game this small have the potential to swing hard in one alignment's favour depending on how d1 goes

what do you think of illwei trying to potentially kill you? i noticed you didnt have a reaction to that

but (in your own words) people can say things, right? so it is a good argument - is it a villagery argument? 1. is that a village read or? 2. is that an elim read or? @Ookla the Destined whats your actual nonhedge stance on tkn? 3. my bad yeah, what jnv said their wim seems to match with...what? both their elim and villa games? please do bro whyd you phrase it in the most elimmy way possible: but eh, ill move on for now but ill ask you this, at the time of writing this post, were you aware of the elim wincon being parity and not overparity? @Ookla the Bald i dont really care how people use their vote doubling/negations, but ideally we come to a consensus wagon before eod so that elim vote manip cant affect anything

thanks. @Ookla of Ravens what do you think of this response?

could be!! but based off personal experience im leaning against that possibility atm. appreciate your thoughts tho elaborate pls

he thinks only mafia can double their vote, and has only talked about mech thus far. wet sock energy if you ask me

nice!! welcome! wanna kill tkn with me?

oh sorry is this your first game? if so, you generally just talk to other players and share reads etc, and eventually you will be able to see blatant agenda and/or nonsense takes from members of the elim team, and then you kill them to verify their alignment and work off connections etc.

what is confusing you? im willing to work with you, and i want to understand your thought process. i dont think pacifism is a good idea because there are 2 elims and 6 villagers which means we only get two shots at eliminating an elim because their wincon is parity Edit: yes i am assuming elim numbers. 1 or 3 makes no sense so it is 2 Edit2: fact of the matter is youd have read the rules if you were mafia :p.

I think an elim would hesitate to place an actual vote so early into the cycle, especially onto a player they dont actually intend to kill. This is because their vote is better used elsewhere, in a way that is constructive to their wincon (i.e. to get a ML or to save a teammate/themself). By locking in a useless vote at sod, they risk compromising their wincon. Do you disagree?

why?

@Ookla of Ravens who do you want to kill today? I'll let you do your thing full disclosure, I was really hoping to rand elim this game because im not really in the mood to solve so if i exude wet sock energy, this is why what does this one mean again? :p.