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    Oh really? So much for that theory then. =P I still think the compass rose glyph is suspicious...
  2. Harakeke
    &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Ah! In which case the next line probably starts with "Were" "If such a thing / were possible..." Here's my latest interpretation. Words in [] are pure speculation based on context & length. Words in <> are close to what I see written in the original text. The statement that intrigues me though is that of King Nohadon which implies Urithiru could be reached [from] [within] cities. If such a thing were possible, evidence of the roads [could] be in place among the Kingdoms of today. I <have> since <visited> <the> [shattered] [plains] and found what I believe to be gateways there, but the [______] [____] [____] ones and how to work them is likely too dangerous to activate them <in> the center of a populated city as I [_____________] planned with my uncle. I hope to find them in unpopulated [__________] I just posted some speculation on Urithiru in my glyph translation thread that you may find interesting. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6487-thaylen-and-alethi-glyph-translation-spoilers/page-3#entry109296
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    @ Marianmi: Yeah, see p. 2. Though most of them are still too tricky for me to make out. ~~~ Speculation time! I believe the "Compass Rose" glyph is pronounced "Urithiru" -- or is at least somehow associated with the lost city. I don't have a good reading of the sub-glyphs yet, but the first syllable is very plausibly "uR", followed by what I'd tentatively say are "iTh" and "iR". I speculate that Urithiru is/was located where the "Compass Rose" glyph is on the map of Roshar's southern hemisphere. "Though many wished Urithiru to be built in Alethela, it was obvious that it could not be. And so it was that we asked for it to be placed westward, in the place nearest to Honor." The "latitude" markings on the Frostlands map don't correspond to a bearing derived from the equator -- but rather from an arbitrary 0 mark at around 68°S. Roughly the same latitude as the Compass Rose on the Southern Hemisphere map! A non-glyph compass rose shows up at about the same location on the map in the full-color WoR endpaper (ceiling fresco?). What other bearing would be important enough for maritime cartographers to use as the basis of their maps? The seat of the Heralds! If Urithiru was out in the middle of the Southern Depths, this would also explain why the ship in Kharbaranth harbor has a Compass Rose glyph on its sail. I had assumed that Shallan had done the drawing, but it really isn't in her style. The presence of a ship from Urithiru implies that it is much, much older. It even looks like there are some storming glyphs hidden beneath the caption! The Compass Rose glyphs on the various maps likely represent the locations of gateways into the "road" or "rapid transportation" method mentioned by King Nohadon. We see them all over the Frostlands map -- most notably in the Shattered Plains. The Map of Alethkar likewise has a Compass Rose at the location of the Shattered Plains. Shallan notes that the gateways are very dangerous to activate. Perhaps a gateway mishap is what shattered the Shattered Plains.
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    The Ten Fundamental Glyphs are the big colored glyphs (Knight Radiant symbols) on the Surgebinding chart. They're tricky to make out, but I'm pretty sure the Truthwatchers glyph is pronounced "Vedeledev" (as in the Herald). Good catch with Amaram's writing. Kluging glyphs together phonetically is exactly what you would do to create novel words if you didn't know how to write properly (i.e like a woman). It's interesting to note that Kaladin does know how to write glyphs properly (mentioned in WoK, I believe as part of his nerdy surgeon's training -- and evidenced by the Bridge 4 emblem he came up with.)
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    @Pattern: Excellent summary! You might also mention that we compared the Code to the numbers that make up the dates in the Ch. ?? epigraph and determined that the Code doesn't seem to be dates. @ RShara: Good catch! That's the same Ketek that's on Navani's Notebook. The Way Of Kings part headings also form a ketek: Above Silence, The Illuminating Storms, Dying, Storm's Illumination, The Silence Above. This is the same Ketek that Mr. T's Silent Gatherers collected from a dying Herdazian in the Endnote: "Above silence, the illuminating storms -- dying storms -- illuminate the silence above." So, there's our connection between Keteks and Mr. T. The Endnote also gives us explicit instructions for how to write a ketek: "The ketek not only reads the same forward and backward (allowing for alteration of verb forms) but is also divisible into five distinct smaller sections, each of which makes a complete thought. Which supports the various 5-line palindrome-based parsings Pattern and I have been playing with. Pattern's parsing: 111825 -101112-71249-151-2-10-101114-10-2-151-17112-101112- 1713448311107-151-4254-14341-09-161-49-1-49-341-212-254-10101-2512710 -151-9-101112-34-12-5511-52512157-5511-12-34-101112-9-151- 21061534 My parsing: 118 25 10 11 12 71 24 9 151 2 10 101 114 10 2 151 17 112 10 11 121 71 34 48 31 110 71 51 42 54 14 34 109 16 14 91 49 34 121 22 54 10 10 12 51 27 10 151 9 10 11 12 34 12 55 11 52 51 21 57 55 11 12 34 10 11 12 9 15 12 106 15 34
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    &nbsp; &nbsp;Those are numbers denoting latitude. Unlikely to be directly related to the code. See http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6487-thaylen-and-alethi-glyph-translation-spoilers/ for more info.
  8. Harakeke
    Edited the first post with a thorough summary of translation efforts (across multiple threads) thus far.
  9. Harakeke
    &nbsp; &nbsp;I've mostly bowed out of the Ch. 84 deciphering to focus on glyphs, but I feel like you folks are making solid, if incremental progress. Don't lose heart! It might be helpful if someone (not me) compiled a summary of what we know, what we speculate, and what's been attempted so far for Satsuoni to put in the first post. That way people who are interested in the code don't have to slog though dozens of pages to get up to speed.
  10. Harakeke
    You're right! Been staring at those glyphs for too long... Fiddled with the Alethi key some more: Syllables in black are the ones I'm reasonably sure about. Grey are speculation based on rotation, and blue are Thaylen letters for reference. I put the Thaylen Sh in for Z.
  11. Harakeke
    [uns] at the start of line 6 could also be translated "ones", which on reflection I think might make more sense than "once"
  12. Harakeke
    @Aminar: Great observation! I just got to that part recently in my WoK re-read (I know, I'm slow...) and was wondering about that door. It seemed important. I'm not sure how that would help with the code though...
  13. Harakeke
    Oh look - suddenly posts appear. Yeah, I've been trying to update my post. [impl _ _ s] --> implies It's definately "The" [ThU]. That word, at least, is very clear. "Two" [TUO] would look very different.
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    Great eyes! I noticed that the words are written phonetically, whereas Navani's spelling was much closer to English. For example: the vs. thu. Perhaps this is an indication of Shallan's Veden accent? I did some tweaking in Photoshop to try and improve the contrast: I got something pretty similar. Just a few words different here and there: Thu Statmint That Intregs Me Thou Is That Uv Keng Nohudan hch implis Urithiru Kod Be Rechd If [__ __] [uv___ Md__] Sites If [_____ __] [Thaag] War Pasibli Evadins Uv Thu Rods [__________] Be In Plas Umung Thu Kengdums Uf Toda I Lav Sens Vitod [Th_________u] [s______] and Faond Wut I Belev To Be Gatwas Ther But Thu [____ba] [_dgr] [A____] m Uns An Hao To Work Them Is Likle To Dangerus To Aktuvat Them On Thu Senter Of a Populatd Site As I [Ag_________du] Pland With Mi Unkl I Hop To Find Them En Unpapulatid [_________] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The statement that intrigues me though is that of King Nohadon which implies Urithiru could be reached if [_____] [_________] sites if [____] [__] [_____] War possibly evidence of the roads [__________] be in place among the Kingdoms of today I <have> since <visited> [________] [_______] and found What I believe to be gateways there but the [______] [____] [____] Ones and how to work them is likely too dangerous to activate them on the Center of a populated city as I [_____________] planned with my uncle I hope to find them in unpopulated [__________]
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    No wonder most Alethi men are illiterate! Fixed a couple typos on the Thaylen key.
  16. Harakeke
    Thanks Pattern! Here's the fixed Thaylen key, along with two new keys for Vorin numerals and Alethi Glyphs. File uploading seems borked, so here are the links: http://imgur.com/ecGa6fX http://imgur.com/oeG6fPO http://imgur.com/dAVRpED I'm calling them Vorin numerals because the same numbers are used alongside Thaylen, Alethi script, and Alethi glyphs. The Alethi Glyph key is still in progress. In particular, I'm unhappy with *K, *N, *L, u*, and i*, but I've used up the glyphs that are easily readable. So it'll take some puzzling over the little tiny glyphs and nasty calligraphic glyphs to fill in the rest. I've spotted some symbols that may fill in the missing spaces, but I'm not sure which -- or even if they're just parsing errors. @Windrunner: By all means! Especially since the forums keep going down. Though you might want to hold off on the Alethi one until we have it finalized. The little caligraphic glyphs are particularly difficult to read, since the print resolution doesn't capture the details all that well. I can make out what look like a K and an L in the Kaladin banner glyph, so I'd guess that it reads "KaL" For Dalinar's glyphs, I'm just getting gibbersih, which either means that I'm not parsing them right, or that they are based off of monkey noises: aKaKaK?KaK?????? aShuHoN?VoNaRiK?LK
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    I made a nicer version of the Thaylen key and an illustration of the three styles of glyphs: edit: K is backwards - will fix in next upload
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    Precisely. Though you're right -- they should be rotated 180°. (See the numbering in Navani's archer tower diagram.) Interestingly, the 0° marker on the Frostlands map doesn't correspond with the latitude on the southern hemisphere map (the Frostlands are around 65°S), but it DOES somewhat correspond somewhat with the lines in the endpaper maps.
  19. Harakeke
    @ Pattern: Yeah, that's how the numbers work -- except I think you have them upside down. The tattoo illustration also shows us a bit of how to write hundreds and thousands. I renamed the thread when it became evident that there was more to it than just a map... http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6487-thaylen-and-alethi-glyph-translation-spoilers/page-2
  20. Harakeke
    @Pattern. A fair bit -- I posted the basics of a working key in the other thread. I've exhausted most of the easily legible glyphs, and the calligraphic ones give me a headache. So I'm taking a break for a while and just reading. Glyphs can be written three ways: "standard" blocky glyphs that are similar to Thaylen. e.g. Name labels on the battle maps "radial" circular glyphs that are warped rotationally e.g. The glyph on the Kharbaranth illustration "calligraphic" glyphs that are warped artistically e.g. the Bridge 4 Tattoos. The one underneath the cartographer's signature says something like "ReR<squiggle-squiggle>" The "Compass Rose" glyph says something like "?S?N?K". That one uses some letters I haven't pinned down yet. 6. The Ketek on Navani's notebook.
  21. Harakeke
    I agree. Alethi script, Thaylen script, and Alethi glyphs are all extremely simple in their execution. While automation is certainly helpful for testing out keys, I doubt Taravangian had a computer at his disposal. My gut feeling is that the code is syllable based, and the decryption key will end up resembling something like this: edit: And I think the number parsing will look something like this: 118 25 10 11 12 71 24 9 151 2 10 101 114 10 2 151 17 112 10 11 121 71 34 48 31 110 71 51 42 54 14 34 109 16 14 91 49 34 121 22 54 10 10 12 51 27 10 151 9 10 11 12 34 12 55 11 52 51 21 57 55 11 12 34 10 11 12 9 15 12 106 15 34
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    I still think the most important clues are the palindromes...
  23. Harakeke
    It's the green glyph in the lower middle, according to this updated diagram I found: The glyph is heavily stylized, but could plausibly be pronounced "Vedeledev", which would make sense. Edit: There also seems to be a forum topic dedicated to this topic: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/6383-knights-radiant-orders-and-surge-combination-theories/ , so the folks there might know more. (I've been trying to avoid other discussion threads until I actually finish the book...)
  24. Harakeke
    1118251011127124915121010111410215117112101112171344 8311107151425414341091614914934121225410101251271015 19101112341255115251215755111234101112915121061534 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lc
  25. Harakeke
    Full-resolution versions are now on the official site at: http://brandonsanderson.com/books/the-stormlight-archive/words-of-radiance/stormlight-2-maps-and-illustrations/
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