Kingsdaughter613

It’s a bit further South and more East. 12 is in the Basin. They don’t converge in the same place, but the Temple is directly south of the same mountain range.

Winter can be a synonym for vacation, just like Summer, lol! That’s why it went so fast! Lust.

Yup. You can draw a straight line from the temple to the points where Leras’ direction lines converge. Interesting, no?

Minor quibble: A person can be very like something. “She was very like a cactus pear: prickly on the outside, but once you got past the thorns you’d find her to be surprisingly soft.’

Well, the common term is ‘tinfoil hat’. But here in the Cosmere aluminum is far more sensible.

Who got featured was basically decided by various citizens after TFE fell, based on their personal associations and the cards original names, with minor alterations. Which is where I just don’t see Hoid having enough of an impact to effect that process. Spook’s deck was just one variant of the deck everyone was using. (So everyone had the same people on the cards, but the cards looked different, if that makes sense.) Off world, it made a lot more sense for Hoid to be on the Cosmere/Worldhopper card. Quite a few decks put him on The Fool as well. Admittedly, tarot is not quite as popular off Scadrial as on it (with the exception of the Ghostbloods, who have regular tarot tournaments). Kind of like how it’s more popular in France (where it was developed) than in the US. The cards are typically not used for divination by non-Scadrians, with the exception of one particular Cosmere organization. Scadrian worldhoppers prefer to use a Scadrian deck for divination, but may use Silverlight decks for regular play. I want it to kind of sound like this could be a real deck with a real in-world history, if that makes sense.

Thanks. I HATE drawing beards. So I’m really glad this one came out looking semi decent, at least in rough. I had to look it up to find out what a ‘half-beard’ was. Turns out it’s the Scadrian term for goatee. So I went with my favorite version of that.

Kelsier actually designed only one card: The Steward of Spears, which features Dockson. And it was less ‘design’ as complain about Dox not being in the deck. Spook solved this by having his own deck feature Dox on a card and ensuring everyone in the Basin knew it. Most of the cards were designed by the freed Skaa during WoA and in the aftermath of HoA. The modern card deck follows Spook’s particular design, but who goes on which card was mostly a natural process (with the exception of the above). I don’t think Hoid played enough of a role on Scadrial for him to feature on a card. Now, if we’re talking Silverlight decks, Hoid tends to feature on the Worldhopper/Cosmere card. But this is a Scadrian deck, not a Silverlight deck.

We got that one already. We are now trying to get “reap”. Hunger

Well, I was winning until you summoned me... Here’s a Dockson (because I post my WIP on whatever thread I happen to be on...)

Brandon seems to consider it ‘semi-dead.’ And yes, I agree with that. But I already explained why Vin said what she did. She had no expectation that Kelsier would go. In fact, I think she - and Sazed and Leras - know something about Kelsier’s future that requires him to remain for now. Because I do think it’s quite interesting that neither Saze nor Vin even attempted to convince Kelsier to go. But I also think it’s important to remember that Kelsier doesn’t really think there’s anything Beyond. I think he likes to imagine there is, but he doesn’t believe it. So when he’s trying to convince Vin to stay he is - on some level - trying to prevent her from committing suicide. It’s an important factor in how he views going Beyond that I think people forget.

Note that the Bands allow you to push on trace metals which MASSIVELY ups the manouverability of an allomancer. And Nicrosil stores do NOT get used up, as they work like copper. And you’re still underestimating the speed. Paalm moved fast enough that she couldn’t be seen by the naked eye. That’s 1/250th of a second, MUCH faster than a Radiant can breathe in Stormlight.

The wrong one. I checked. It’s Southeast of Elendel, almost exactly opposite the indicated point. Which... could also be suspicious... @Aspiring Writer This is very true and many are suspicious of it.

Sharders! The point of posting this isn’t just to show off the art. It’s to get some thoughts about the mock-history of Tarot I’m creating for Scadrial. Some things that I’ve decided are set: The game Tarot came into popularity in the third or fourth century of TLR’s reign. It’s unclear when exactly the game developed. It plays similarly to French Tarot in our world. As in France, Tarot is very popular in North Scadrial. The Skaa began playing Tarot sometime between the fifth and sixth centuries of TLR’s reign. This was mostly done by city Skaa. The game trikled down via Skaa thieves who learned it so they could better fit in among the nobility. Most Skaa created their own decks, as printed cards were harder to acquire. It is unclear when Tarot cards began to be used for divinatory purposes. The first known use was in the late 8th century. Ironically, it seems the practice began among the Skaa and trikled upward to the nobility. Following the fall of the Funal Empire many Skaa began redesigning the deck. There were multiple redesigns, as most decks were customized following the Skaa tradition of making their own. The modern Scadrian deck is based off The Lord Mistborn’s personal deck, with two exceptions. The cards utilized for tarot and divination are the same, with many utilizing the same deck for both purposes. Most decks in modern Scadrial are printed. The Sovereign card replaced the allomancer card after it was revealed that Kelsier was the Sovereign. Around the same time a spike was added to his image on the Cosmere card. This occurred around the time of Era 2, possibly a little later. Scadrial has developed a few unique tarot rules that separate it from French Tarot: The Survivor’s Hand: Tarot has three bouts, The Fool, The Sovereign and The Cosmere. If a taker holds The Sovereign, The Cosmere and The Survivor the last may be used as an additional bout. At least one of the three cards must be in the taker’s hand when The Survivor’s Hand is called. (The other two cards may be in the tricks pile.) The Hand may be called at any time during the round. The Survivor may not be used as a bout if it is being used as part of The Brothers. The Brothers: If both the Survivor and Ironeyes are held in hand, the taker may call The Brothers. If called, and the taker wins, the Brothers are worth an extra 30 points. If the Taker does not call The Brothers, but wins the round with them in his Trick pile, they are worth fifteen points. If the Taker loses the round the points for the called Brothers go to the other players. If the Taker calls the Brothers, subsequently loses one, then wins the round, thirty points are deducted from his total. If The Survivor is being used as a bout it cannot be used as part of The Brothers. The Imperial Pair: This hand is formed by The Lovers, The Ascendant Warrior, and The Last Emperor. The rules follow those of The Brothers, with the exception of a called hand being worth fifty points and an uncalled one being worth twenty-five.

CS’ don’t get fully reattached though. They just fake it really well. They’re ‘stapled on’ by some method (specifics vary). They don’t age, while Elantrians do (albeit quite slowly). Shadows in bodies do not die of natural causes (aside from being ‘killed’). Elantrians can die of illness. Shadows’ are also shapeshifters and cannot have children normally, while Elantrians can. A Shadow’s child will have some oddities, such as mild shapeshifting. An Elantrians child will be human (assuming both parents are human). And if a CS’ body dies, they still remain a Shadow. Elantrians would have to become a Shadow to remain after their Physical ties are cut. TLDR; CS’ are Cognitive Beings. Elantrians are Physical ones. There is a way to reverse the Shaod entirely, which is not the case for Shadows: Chris King Is there a way to reverse the Shaod? Brandon Sanderson Um-- *pause* There is a way to do basically anything. Chris King So it's kind of a RAFO? Will we ever find-- Brandon Sanderson No that's not what they asked, they asked if there is a way. Yes there is but how reasonable a way that is is very... vague...

Ah, thanks. I knew I was remembering something but couldn’t recall exactly what. Wax didn’t have his ties to the Physical Realm severed at any point. Cognitive Shadows did. That seems to be the difference. Elantrians do not appear to have had that Connection severed either, which is why they aren’t Shadows.

Sharders! The point of posting this isn’t just to show off the art. It’s to get some thoughts about the mock-history of Tarot I’m creating for Scadrial. Some things that I’ve decided are set: The game Tarot came into popularity in the third or fourth century of TLR’s reign. It’s unclear when exactly the game developed. It plays similarly to French Tarot in our world. As in France, Tarot is very popular in North Scadrial. The Skaa began playing Tarot sometime between the fifth and sixth centuries of TLR’s reign. This was mostly done by city Skaa. The game trikled down via Skaa thieves who learned it so they could better fit in among the nobility. Most Skaa created their own decks, as printed cards were harder to acquire. It is unclear when Tarot cards began to be used for divinatory purposes. The first known use was in the late 8th century. Ironically, it seems the practice began among the Skaa and trikled upward to the nobility. Following the fall of the Final Empire many Skaa began redesigning the deck. There were multiple redesigns, as most decks were customized following the Skaa tradition of making their own. The modern Scadrian deck is based off The Lord Mistborn’s personal deck, with two exceptions. The cards utilized for tarot and divination are the same, with many utilizing the same deck for both purposes. Most decks in modern Scadrial are printed. The Sovereign card replaced the allomancer card after it was revealed that Kelsier was the Sovereign. Around the same time a spike was added to his image on the Cosmere card. This occurred around the time of Era 2, possibly a little later. Scadrial has developed a few unique tarot rules that separate it from French Tarot: The Survivor’s Hand: Tarot has three bouts, The Fool, The Sovereign and The Cosmere. If a taker holds The Sovereign, The Cosmere and The Survivor the last may be used as an additional bout. At least one of the three cards must be in the taker’s hand when The Survivor’s Hand is called. (The other two cards may be in the tricks pile.) The Hand may be called at any time during the round. The Survivor may not be used as a bout if it is being used as part of The Brothers. The Brothers: If both the Survivor and Ironeyes are held in hand, the taker may call The Brothers. If called, and the taker wins, the Brothers are worth an extra 30 points. If the Taker does not call The Brothers, but wins the round with them in his Trick pile, they are worth fifteen points. If the Taker loses the round the points for the called Brothers go to the other players. If the Taker calls the Brothers, subsequently loses one, then wins the round, thirty points are deducted from his total. If The Survivor is being used as a bout it cannot be used as part of The Brothers. The Imperial Pair: This hand is formed by The Lovers, The Ascendant Warrior, and The Last Emperor. The rules follow those of The Brothers, with the exception of a called hand being worth fifty points and an uncalled one being worth twenty-five.

I have an aluminum hat theory that Edgli and Koraveli are dragon sisters.

Yes, but in other places he uses the term to refer to anyone who fully dies and then sticks around. Which is what he is specifically saying Elantrians aren’t. They also revert to regular humans away from Elantris, I believe. I think this was mentioned somewhere. Wax is not a CS. He was resuscitated.

It’s straight north from Luthadel, so it couldn’t have been where Leras was pointing in WoA. And Elend - and, more importantly, the text - state that he’s pointing in the same direction: north-east. I didn’t use a proper tool, but I tried to have the lines follow the same angle from the approximate locations as I’m assuming ‘same direction’ to be exactly the same. The fact that the text went out of its way to point this out makes me suspicious, especially since we never DO find out what Leras was pointing to.

Tathingdwen.

I disagree that Kelsier should go Beyond if he doesn’t want to. He doesn’t really believe anything is Beyond. He doesn’t think he’d be with Vin if he goes Beyond; he thinks they’ll both cease to exist. Should Wax have killed himself to stay with Lessie? Kaladin to stay with Tien? Of course not! So why should Kelsier kill himself to stay with Vin? Because he died once? So did Wax. So did Szeth. So did Susebron and Vasher. So did every other Cognitive Shadow! Do you think they should all kill themselves? I see no reason for Kelsier to perform an act that, on some level, he views as suicide just because everyone else thinks it’s a good idea. No one is suggesting the Heralds, the Returned and the Stormfather kill themselves. I’ve yet to see anyone arguing that Seb should leave Siri a widow or that the Stormfather should go Beyond, making all these arguments rather hypocritical. And, just to note, Returned CHOSE to come back and Tanavast chose to stick around. Just like Kelsier did. Just as I think many others would if given the opportunity. Nazh implies that at least some Threnodites deliberately became Shadows. It also wasn’t said that sticking around was a bad thing. What people noted was that it was ‘inexplicable’ to them that Kelsier wanted to stay. Kelsier, quite reasonably, doesn’t want to commit suicide. Maybe if he really believed in an afterlife we could argue. But he doesn’t. That’s made clear right at the beginning of Secret History. And that means there is absolutely no good reason for him to go Beyond. Nothing awaits him there but cessation of existence. Oh, and asking your daughter not to commit suicide with her husband - which is how Kelsier views this - is a perfectly normal and rational thing to do.

They are not Shadows. Brandon said this at one point. If they go to far from Elantris they revert to normal humans, I believe, which is probably why they need to constantly replenish themselves.

But why point to the exact same place? Why was it the last thing he did? Why not try and tell Elend about the earring? I just don’t think it can be that simple.

Love always hurts more. The example I’ve heard is as follows: When you neighbor’s kid makes noise in synagogue/church/mosque/whatever, you just ignore him. When YOUR kid does it, you tell them off. Why? Because you care about YOUR kid. The neighbor’s kid doesn’t matter to you. We care about the ones we love. Their opinions matter to us. Their actions matter to us. Love always hurts. But the pain is worth what we gain from those relationships. My older daughter almost died at two months old. And while we thought she was going to die my dad asked if, knowing what was to come, I’d have still had her. And I told him yes without hesitation. Because those eleven perfect months - nine where I carried her below my heart and two where I held her in my arms - were worth the pain of losing her and I wouldn’t give those up for anything. Love is worth the pain it brings. Love is worth the pain of loss. Love is worth being betrayed, being hurt, being broken. Because life without love is meaningless. And since a picture is worth a thousand words: Here she is as a newborn in the hospital Her first smiles, less than a week before she got sick In the hospital a few days later And here she is now, four years old, my little miracle girl. My little survivor. And despite everything, despite what all the doctors claimed, she finally began smiling again a few months ago. And those smiles were worth every tear, every bit of pain, every grief and every fear, and all the sleepless nights playing nurse. Love is pain. But it’s worth it.