Full Metal Rithmatist

Id of thought the blades were alloys of honor and cultivations metal.

With windrunner blades being pure tanavastium and edgedancer blades being pure.....cultivation.....iumiumiumium....

And the other 8 being varying alloys of the 2

But brandon has said theyre made entirely of honors power which seems....odd to me.

On 16/03/2017 at 8:18 AM, Krandacth said:

Whilst I generally agree, I have to point out that Voidbinding is definitely not what is happening when Listeners bond with Voidspren, or their use of the powers this granted to them. This is implied by the fact we have seen that happen and the following WoB says that we haven't seen Voidbinding: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1152#71

Other than that, the OP is interesting, and I'm not sure it can be disproved as yet... But I believe more than five forms of power (other than Stormfather) are listed in the various Listener song snippets we have, which would indicate more than 16 Spren types capable of granting that level of power. (Having said that, I can only remember Nightform, Smokeform and Decayform off the top of my head...)

I would say the fact the surges the orders possess form an unbroken circle is reasonable evidence that there are only 10 surges.

I believe they all had one originally but several have been killed and left their shards unheld.

On 07/04/2017 at 7:41 PM, Pagerunner said:

No confirmation, as far as I'm aware. In fact, you can make a decent case that Harmony has two because of the Shadows of Self broadsheet. We see a Southerner exiting a northern Shardpool; how did he get to the Cognitive Realm to begin with? The simplest answer, they have a Shardpool in the south as well. We've also only seen god metals near Shardpools (lerasium at the Well, atium at the Pits above the dark lake), so it's reasonable to suggest the Southerners need a Shardpool to get their harmonium.

I think when you parse Rock's description of the Horneater Peaks, you get multiple Shardpools underneath the lakes, as well, but I may be misremembering.

Lastly, we know of three Perpendicularities on Roshar: one in the Purelake, one in the Horneater pools, and Honor's, which is mobile. Odium isn't on Roshar; he's on Braize. So, either one of the Shardpools is his (and it's just on a different planet than he is), or we have multiple Shardpool associated with Cultivation.

Would be cool if harmonys perpendicularity ran all the way through the center of scadrial down its axis

The real question is can i use spikes to transfer, radiancy ( ?!?k,;ld) to a HAMSTER.

Flying Gravity Hamster.

On 15/01/2017 at 5:12 PM, Spoolofwhool said:

Opposite doesn't mean they're incompatible. I was just referring to what their intents push them to do, where I presume Cultivation is about natural increase, while Ruin is about natural decrease.

I think being opposites does in fact make them MORE compatible.

Brandon has said Honour would be the most Compatible with Odium.

And ruin is very compatible with preservation and cultivation.

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Even if spikes were not a problem, I think plate would be more likely to be useful as a skeleton depending on how malleable its forms are.

The thing is: why would you use a shard skeleton when you could just use it as armor and protect yourself better? I suppose in that sense you would use it as some sort of exoskeleton,

Makes me wonder if this is going to segue into something about Ashyn given how diseases work on that world and it is basically next door to Roshar.

Imagine if through some convoluted process of investiture hacking a Kandra became a knight radiant.

They said the vows and their spren gains the ability to become a Shardblade.

The kandra has the spren transform into a shardskeleton to use as their body.

Hell yeah thatd be cool.

If you thought this thread was building to some kind of point.

You were wrong.

We know the purelake has recently become plagued.

I thought that this may be because of the 3 guys from the interlude. stomping through it with their alien bacteria and viruses that nothing on roshar has any resistance to and infecting everything.

Has anyone asked brandon about something like this. because i dont think ive seen any posts about it.

Adonalsium is sometimes refered to as a person. Specifically as "he" or "him" 

I think Adonalsium had a vessel that is now unequivocally dead.

SO even if all 16 were gathered into a new vessel. It would be different to the original because the vessel would be different and many of the shards have been badly affected in various ways.

Also the original adonalsium seems to have been a unified whole. not a conglomeration of 16 conflicting pieces like a new one would probably be

22 hours ago, VirtuousTraveller said:

I just found this WoB...I'm feeling more convinced that the Iri once lived on Nalthis.

Maybe alethi have black hair because everyone expects them to have black hair.

The returned look the way they do because thats how theyre EXPECTED to look.

It has been generally theorised that Ishar has turned against if not all the other heralds then at least against Honor and the oathpact.

Given Ishars trait of Piety and his order the Bondsmiths evidently bonding "god"spren i think this alone would make him VERY likely to turn against honor for one very good reason.

Honor is dead. Ishar needs a god to worship and has decided a dead god isnt good enough and in the rosharan system there is only 2 others who could fill that void in his soul.

Odium and Cultivation.

Anyone familliar with the lore of the warhammer 40k universe should know of the Primarch Lorgar who had a similar religous need. and when the emperor refused to allow Lorgar to worship him as a god Lorgar instead turned to worshipping darker gods.

So with honor being dead, it seems quite logical that Ishar would maybe turn to Odium.

There is some holes in this as Honor was eivdently killed sometime after Ishar started acting suspiciously.

On 16/12/2016 at 3:43 AM, Pagerunner said:

That "manifestation of the way shards combine" gives some interesting insight into the possible origins of Feruchemy.

Thanks for following up on this and getting clarification.

That was the first thing i noticed. Its like the entirety of feruchemy is a resonance caused simply by being scadrian.

Given brandons like for golems ill be very disapointed if stonewards cant fuse stones together to create golems.

Im pretty sure at least one of the deathrattles comes directly from Taln in Damnation.

17 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

This is true. But chances are that they are also better at Elsecalling in general, so that they can access Shadesmare more easily, and therefore be effective liaisons. 

well some of the  ability to enter shadesmar from transformation probably bleeds into their elsecalling so yes.

on that thought Elsecallers probably have a strong "resonance" since both their surges do similar things and probably synergise well

3 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

Few points. Kaladin was unconsciously performing surgebinding of the surge of gravity for a awhile before we saw him use full lashings. He was using reverse lashings on the bridge so that the arrows would miss him. In any case, he learned both concurrently, but it seems fairly clear that he favours gravity surgebinding.

There's an unreleased chapter about Jasnah and elsecalling.

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She couldn't elsecall properly before the ship attack because Ivory wouldn't help get to Shadesmare properly. So it seems like she learned soulcasting first because she was mechanistically unable to elsecall because Ivory was limiting her, not because she had an affinity to one.

Also, there's the fact that Elsecaller were referenced as being the better liaisons for the spren than the adjacent orders, in the in-Roshar book Words of Radiance.

 

Elsecallers are the liaisons to the spren because they possess both of the surges that let someone travel into or affect shadesmar. whereas the adjacent orders only possess one each

In the arcanum khriss seems to imply worlds with multiple shards are not the standard. so considering 3 of the words weve seen have 2 shards i would hazard that most others only have 1

I also at one point thought thought dalinars wife might of been a herald because of one very strange sentence somewhere in WoR i think that seems to suggest dalinar has forgotten about one of the heralds but the same forgetfullness of heralds isnt repeated anywhere else so i decided it was probably just a very weird coincidence.

Also given that apparently shalash is one of the only 2 heralds who will be the focus of flashbacks in one of the ten books we can assume she is certainly more important than most other heralds.

On 27/11/2016 at 1:18 AM, Djarskublar said:

I like the idea of having threads like this. Helps the newer lurkers learn what might seem to be common knowledge to the rest of us. Cosmere Theories sounds fine for location to me, unless someone else has a problem with it.

I have to cautiously disagree with you @Spoolofwhool. For him to not be concerned about having his head chopped off would take more than standard immortality. I am mixing this WoB with the in text bit where he isn't afraid of Jasnah at all. With gold compounding, I can totally see it, but normal gold Ferrings or people with lots of Light probably wouldn't be able to grow a storming head... They take too much time, or you lose too much power to a stronger tap. A suregebinder may not be able to even hold that much Light. Lopen got almost nothing added to his stump from his sphere.

I feel like he has to have something abnormally powerful (read: a hack like compounding) to survive it. Maybe he is just incredibly Invested, so he can just straight up resist Blades anyway. Who knows.

The lord ruler had his entire body pretty much incinerated down to the bones and he still survived. hell it didnt even phase him. so a fullborn can certainly survive decapitation

1 hour ago, Argent said:

 

I think it's incorrect to claim that the ten gas giants are named after the Heralds - at least not directly. The planets bear names that match the names of numbers in the Alethi language; they are literally called One, Two, Three, and so on. What is interesting is that the Heralds' names share linguistic root with those same numbers, but considering that we know some of the Heralds' original names don't sound very much like the numbers (e.g. Nale), I think it's likely that the Alethi language and culture warped the Heralds' names to look more similar to the numbers' names. In other words, I believe the names of the numbers came before the (modified) names of the Heralds, and not the other way around - though it would've made a certain amount of sense for the Alethi to change their language to emulate the Heralds' names. 

With this in mind, I am reasonably confident that the gas giants were named after the numbers 1-10, not after the Heralds.

its not about what their named

Its that there are EXACTLY TEN. and all seemingly identical or very similar.

12 hours ago, Landis963 said:

Harmony doesn't have Ati's or Leras' memories, nor has he read the Stormlight Archive.  

he knows what other shards are

a herald returned and claimed their sword again. if the skybreakers were indeed the order that remained it would be reasonable to assume it is the skybreaker herald who reclaimed his sword.

Does harmony not say he doesnt know what the thing surrounding Scadrial is ? if it was odium i think hed know.