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Wow, now I just feel blind. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Apparently, its been a long day

Is that what that like champagne but not comment is? I've never had champagne, so I wouldn't know what it tasted like (I don't drink, don't see the point).

Hm, doesn't say what the flavoring was

Who is peggy carter?

Contrary to, what I'm sure is, popular message board etiquette, I have no trouble being incorrect. Thats half the reason I come to message boards, to verify facts, confrim understandings of things discussed in the novels, and compare ideas. So, if I'm wrong, feel free to point it out to me. I might put that in my sig

if I'm wrong on the color, then yea mountain dew

In order for that to happen, we'd have to know what problems there are to solve. Coin shots would have trouble getting up things that steadily go inward while going up. Like steps, since they can only push. What problems would a lurcher have to deal with? Same with the other metal borne folks.

She described it as having a gold color. So my thought was cream soda, or root beer

Hidy ho all, I have a $30 bluetooth head set I picked up from radioshack, back before they were bought out by sprint. its fantastically usefull while driving, but sometimes I need to use it while at work. And, sadly, It doesn't have any noise cancellation to speak of. I wanted to know if you guys knew of any good bluetooth headsets I could use while driving and/or while working in a construction yard. Something that would reduce the noise from my surroundings

That was my thought as well. She's a bit like Q from james bond in this series. So some rudementary reflex sights for pisols. Some scopes for rifles, ect.

When does tan say he met iron eyes? I don't recall that

Far enough, I'll have to give shadows of self another run through. Thanks for the feedback all! Question to the mods, after I do another run through, and if I find that this topic still has merrit should I resurect this thread or start a new one?

No worries. Also, I have no trouble being wrong (it happens alot). I'll have to start going over the chapters tonight, and work on getting you the exact scenes. One last thing, I'm not sure if its ever said exactly that harmony forced her to be in front of the bullet. I think it was said that harmony forced her to do something she really didn't want to do. And then that harmony forced her to convince wax to head back to the city. But, if memory serves, its re-iterated during the fight on the bridge, then while hes sobbing on the bridge after its all said and done. Like I said, when you read that novel once, head over to 3 dresden file novels, and then a lost stars novel, things tend to fade. Edit: thats from the party afterward, right?

My citations would be all from the audible versions of the book. But I think they're from when Tensoon meets wax on the bridge, after he shot her and she killed herself. Like I said, its been a bit of time since I finished it. Edit: and I've read other things in the mean time, so its not as fresh in my head /edit Would you prefer chapters, scenes, or would you like me to try and paraphrase the lines?

I need to look over shadows of self again. But, from what I remember, it wasn't harmonies idea to seduce wax, but he gave his blessing at (insert bleeders kandra name here) suggestion. Then, when (insert bleeders kandra name here) refused to convince wax to head back to elendel, harmony took direct control of her and set it up to where she would be shot by Wax's bullet. I have a theory post in shadows of self to where bloody tan might acutally be a kandra. But thats neither here nor there. Getting forced by harmony to do something she really didn't want to do (convince wax to head back to elendel), drove her up the wall. That is what got her to remove one of her spikes. And that spike removal is what drove her to try and destroy harmonies "control" over the people of elendel. Harmony wanted wax back in elendel after being hardened by the roughs. And he choose to do this, by forcing him to shoot Lessie. Then, withheld the fact that it was lessie until she died in his arms a second time. I'm not saying it wasn't necessary, and I'm not going so far as to say that it was unavoidable. That might have been the least bad of all the possibilities, but it doesn't make it a good outcome. Then we see those that have a direct line to harmony, act so dismissively of what happened. And even going so far as to make it seem like it was wax's fault that it happened. Finally we see harmony talk with wax about what happened, and the only thing I saw (which I might be wrong about, I'm only human after all) was him saying 'stop hating yourself'. It got him to move on from that day, sure. But I would have expected some expression of remorse for manipulating him like that. It kinda makes me feel like Harmony is a psycopath. A genuine lack of remorse that he has to mess with peoples feelings like that, in order to get an outcome he needs. And a willingness to kill friends or loved ones to get the outcomes he wants.

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what means. Who met who? And who gave who instructions?

lol, I need to read more carefully then

I think I'm looking at a different cover then the rest of you. Could you take a picture of the cover your seeing?

I thought that was wax and Steris on the cover

For those who didn't follow my first post on this in my Shadows of self thread, I commented how Harmony seemed messed up. Mainly for what he did to Wax. First allowing a Kandra to seduce him, then tricked him into killing her. And, at no point during this, really messed up series of events, did he come clean/apologize/try to make it right. In this book, we don't see harmony's servants (the kandra), who have a direct line to harmony, apologize. Heck, they didn't even acknowledge that what happened was wrong in any way. Maybe they don't see the need to apologize, as they didn't get bleeder to seduce him, then trick him into killing the woman he loved. But when the first guy, who interupts the wedding, mentions it he refereed to it as if it were somehow Wax's fault. Then, we our hero died, instead of saying something like "I'm sorry it had to be done, and I'm sorry I manipulated you like that" he asks how long wax is going to hate himself for having to pull that trigger. During this conversation, I got the impression that harmony saying saying something like 'you need to forgive yourself and move on'. Without any nods to what happened as being a bad situation, or wrong. So, does anyone else think that harmony might be a few fries short of a happy meal?

good question. To me, the excisors were spikes. I was under the impression that they were using the spikes to create compounders for their medalians. Though as to where they got original metal born, that I couldn't say. Maybe the lord ruler did have a harem, and a bunch of children as a result.

Woo! I'm back, just finished the book. And yes, just yes to her. I wasn't a fan of her in the first book, and I started warming up to her in the second. But by harmony, I love her now. I honestly think shes a good counter balance for wax, and shes clearly grown enough now, to where the two make a good couple. For my two cents on this subject, the way that scene was written was odd to me. She came across as almost a bit psycopathic. Her seeming indifference to his suffering, her seeming emotional numbness to helping his crew. I was expecting a bit more from her then that, not much mind you, but a bit. It almost was as if she couldn't care if he lived or died, and given her recent adventure, it did seem out of character for her. That said, it could have also been her emotionally curling in on herself, due to her being overwhelmed by everything recently.

Right. I'm from New York, so that makes me a New Yorker. Your from Elendel, so what does that make you?

I have the audible version of the book, so I never saw that blurb. That said, It does kinda spoil most of the plot. Theres still a big thing at the end (not going to spoil it for you), and the actual investigating is pretty interesting overall. If you can, I would still read it. You don't have the how, or why of it yet. And those two pieces are pretty big deals in the book.

Not me, at least not yet. I haven't finished CH 14 yet, so I'm not sure who ends up with who permanently.