Elkanah

I may have been put into contact with a socialite (which is delightful), but there are a few people vouching for Xino right now. I told them that if Xino posted I would back off my war path directed at him for a minute. I'm hoping he will become active and he did kind of promise us a follow-up post looking into Venture this turn. It is interesting that you think the elims would change who they were going to kill based on his post. He shared some suspicion of Venture and Ventyl, but neither of them were especially trusted by anyone else, and at different points in the game I have already said I suspected each of them. I thought the reason we weren't going hard on figuring out lynch targets during night cycles was on the off chance the elim had (or now possibly have) an adjudicator. That's a rabbit hole I'm going to wait a minute to address Right, so I'm not sure the timing is actually that big of a factor, but I'm okay with being wrong if you can show me what I'm missing. I concede Xino is on a lot more than he posts. I don't think it's that he leaves a tab open while he's doing other stuff either because he's often on for about fifteen minutes and then gone again. I don't know what he has claimed, but there is a small coalition in favor of keeping him alive. That's as far as I'm going to go for the moment because I promised to start working on other leads. However, if any of this coalition end up to be elims, I'm right back on that train. Here's the rabbit hole: My contact claims to have received the adjudicator role after night one. This corroborates Lotus' claim that she is no longer an adjuntator. They both could be elims. I've realized, though, that even if she isn't an elim, the claim to have received the role does not mean my contact isn't an elim. Let's dig a little deeper here. Why would an elim claim to have received the adjudicator role. This took a lot of pressure off of Lotus at a key time so both being elims is still a real possibility. If my contact is an elim and Lotus is village, maybe they were trying to pocket me by giving me information? That seems to be a good way to do it. If my contact is village and Lotus is bad, then my contact wouldn't have known whether Lotus was an elim or not, but they did know the swap was the truth. Effectively this gives me nothing. I'm looking a little squinty-eyed at Lotus and my contact now, but it really could just be nothing. Edit Sneaky ninjas Ed2t Not a ninja. I just completely missed Matrim's post somehow.

Haha it definitely was for me! I think four is correct. I agree. If the odds of a false positive are one in seven, we're likely only to miss once over the course of the whole game. I say we lynch anyone who shows up as a traitor. I am. but more like "lynch like a reasoned maniac." I'm sorry I'm not more helpful. I am caught up in the LG and need to reread the rules for this game to be more help. I'll do that and post again in a bit.

Wow, It's quiet without Illwei or Gears. Thank you for your post! I realized I have tunneled on you pretty hard and I'm told I should not lynch you so I'll lay off for now. We've already had two very ill-fated bandwagons and you almost went the same way. If the people defending you turn out to be elims, I'll come back after you. In the mean time I'll respond to our post. :) Between the contribution crusade and past performance, I thought the vote was fair game, but you're right. I shouldn't harrass you if you are trying to come back after a break. Venyl's posts do feel off to me. So does their tunnel on Lotus. What I find weirder is that the last two people to seriously go after Lotus were both promptly lynched. That isn't necessarily indicative of either of them as the elims may want us to think the Lotus protection racket means she is an elim and we have another mislynch, but I'm not sure we want to lynch Ventyl over their vote on Lotus given we've already done that twice. I also am currently reading Matrim as village. Looking into venture is a good idea, but I am encouraged by his willingness to post and vote this game, so I'll wait to vote for him until I have some solid evidence of his guilt. I'll post this now and be back for more later

I appreciate this Ooh you right. I'll get started and post right before rollover.

Illwei isn't here to give me an idea of how to spend the long night. It's probably still not advisable to discuss our suspicions as that would give an elim adjudicator a good target... Does anyone know a good joke? Also a side note: I enjoy PMs if you're looking for something to do for your night action I might be. Are you asking for one?

That's a solid point. I even brought it up here I maintain that I doubt an elim adjudicator would have claimed where Lotus did... that could mean it's working. I don't mean to completely shut down the idea that Lotus is an elim, but I am willing to wait for a little more information (maybe more PMs) before coming to the conclusion that Lotus and an elim are tying themselves together so tightly. Ninja'd by Ashbringer Haha that was a close one XD XD XD No I'd like more info from Xino at least and he is my highest suspicion, so my vote is staying there for now.

I'll do you one better. What if no one votes and everyone can do all the PMs? JK, what you're saying makes sense. I might move to Silberfarben, but Ashbringer might move to Xino and it would be awkward if we missed each other. Also, allowing for an extra role block or body guard doesn't really concern me. I mean, if I get roleblocked over it I guess that kind of sucks, but no one is going to have enough for a seer contract this turn and the rest of the abilities except the exec sec aren't especially important. Further, the monk is as likely to block the elim kill as the exec's ability scan and if we catch a role blocker or bodyguard - presto we found the monk. Yeah, I've talked myself out of switching. At least until I find someone more suspicious or Xino makes himself less suspicious. Unless of course this is your way of trying to create a hammer whereby you save yourself. Hmmm well played :)

It worked . Yeah sorry. Allow me to repent Day 2 Reads Elkanah - Seconds Lotus' claim the adjudicator has been moved. Been Eerily quiet this turn. Votes Xino for the same reasons as last cycle. Definitely village Matrim - Does post by post analysis of Illwei. Stab votes Illwei. His posts sound honest to me and I am reading him as slightly village. Unfortunately, I always have and I'm worried that's my own bias. He does open the potential for a Matrim - Lotus elim team. Kings Way - Still feels off to me. It's probably because this is the first game that I have played with them... but I was perturbed by some of their posts day one and day two has done little to change that. Slightly elim Ventyl - So, what are your thoughts now that someone has claimed they received the adjudicator role? Do you still intend to lynch Lotus? I'm pinging you about your vote. @Ventyl Your first post felt weird in a similar way to some of your posts from Day one, but that really ins't enough to go after you. Very Slightly elim. Illwei - Has explained himself enough times that I'm not going to do it again. I get the feeling that they are a villager who is running out of patience. Gears had a similar feeling last cycle. Of course I've made this mistake before, but I think you're fine. Very slight village Ashbringer - I'm not getting anything from this cycle so far. You went after Illwei for a bit, but it seems like you are not voting for him. It's weird because I always think you're bad, but I'm not getting that this time. It's probably nothing, but I thought I'd note it in case it turns into something. I guess what bugs me is it feels like you're playing safe... which there is nothing wrong with that. I'm kind of playing safe as well because I'd like to be around to solve the game. It's just notable. Very slightly village Lotus - I repeat the call by Ashbringer for someone to refute the claim. I'd love to know if my source is lying. The silence so far could mean a couple of things. a) Lotus was successfully switched to the person I am talking with. b) Lotus and my contact are both elims. c) the actual new adjudicator is waiting to reveal via PM to someone to avoid being lynched or night killed for claiming adjudicator in thread. slight village Venture - Stab votes Illwei. Feels honest even though I disagree. very slight village Vapor - The shard is so mean! I'm excited for the more later. Null Mist - I am likewise excited for your reads list. I would agree that Devotary was a reputation kill... unless tags are fair game information. If they are, then "shenanigans" tells me Devotary was not in fact the target. Null TJ Shade - Ninja's like a pro. Votes Mist... which is interesting. Gives likely elim pool as Venture, Xino, Mist, Kings Way, and Lotus. I can get behind two of those with maybes on the other two. Xino and Kings Way are top suspicions for me with Venture and Mist as maybe. I don't know why elim Lotus claims when she did. Null Yet to Post Today @xinoehp512 @Lord_Silberfarben And an unsolicited vote count in case I become too trustworthy Lotus (1): Illwei, Ventyl Xinoehp (1): Elkanah Illwei (3): Venture, Matrim, Lotus Venture (1): Illwei Silberfarben (1): Ashbringer Mist (1): TJ Shade Looks like sociallites might get unlocked. I'm happy to talk

Those stab votes huh?

Soo, here is something you may find interesting. I have a PM with someone who is claiming either to be Iadon and switched Lotus' role or to have received the adjudicator role and told me what Lotus' new role is. I'm keeping it intentionally vague. It is still possible this person is an elim trying to cover for Lotus, but I am considering starting a PM with Lotus to see if the stories match up. Either way, I have a second witness that a switch took place.

As I see it, what changed was it no longer helps us to lynch village Lotus. Last turn lynching village Lotus "helped" us by avoiding a lynch restriction (that didn't end up happening). Lynching elim Lotus clearly helps us because lynching elim anyone is how we win. Given that lynching village Lotus is pretty irrelevant (although there is a neat rabbit hole. I would claim to have had my role switched whether it was or not). We have lost a lot of the reason to lynch them. I doubt the lynch takes off for that reason. I am sticking with my vote on Xinoehp for a minute, although he would have been a good target for an elim Adjudicator. My vote is from an analysis of his past elim games where he tends to be less active than his village games, and his relative trying to seem active without being alignment indicative in Day 1.

I don't like to play that card, but yeah. It's because I don't think you have played a game with Devotary and therefore don't know how good they are. It doesn't mean you don't still have the potential to be an elim, but it helped your case... until I figured out that Devotary wasn't the target after all. It was probably whomever they switched. Besides, I'd be accusing you of Muder not murder :P

wow. Devotary was not at all who I thought they were going to attack. Who would have been worried about Devotary? I'm not saying there isn't good reason to be afraid of Devotary. They are very good at this game. I'm just guessing that would be the reason to target them. I'm not sure Kings Way would know Devotary's track record, so I don't think it was their idea. Time to go back and analyze anyone Devotary went after. Edit: I'm dumb. They didn't go after Devotary. Devotary took someone's spot. That gives me less information

Thanks! Well, in case I die, here is what I've got so far. Wow, copy and paste is really bad

Sorry, I'm a little over three pages into my thirty page analysis of Day 1 and I need somewhere to drop a bunch of links for easy reference... so here you go. The Pokes The Stabs The reasons The rest Ack! I'm out of time! Please don't kill me!

Don't tempt me

@Kynedath, do you have a current vote count?

Ha saame Edited down to the stuff I wanted to talk about. Shard eating posts is the worst. I almost had to write my last one twice. Could you imagine?! Well yes, but actually no. I am not looking to kill the spy and Kings Way is. He is using my argument but coming to a different conclusion. In my opinion, the spy is still a mislynch, so if we found out who they were lynching is right out. A lynched spy is a wasted lynch and worse because the spy takes two elim hits. we can deal with their vote really easily and they don't even know who the elims are so they're just as likely to hit an elim as a villager if they purchase a murder. It doesn't hurt that it's self preservation either amiright? Sorry, it was a little condescending to say I could absolve you of something. I meant that it made sense and I no longer found it suspicious that you didn't have very much reasoning in your first post voting for Lotus. That and I feel smart when using uncommon words. Absolve was certainly inappropriate there. It is interesting that you find chaos hampers your ability to analyze the game. I am really really bad at analysis. So I try to catch people off guard. I shake the tree for low-hanging fruit and it has improved my ability to help the village. Not without sacrifice. I once protected a known elim at lylo because I thought it was funny. (I didn't know it was lylo if that helps at all). but I wax metaful. My point is, chaos has been my best source of information recently. Maybe I should take a page out of Lotus and Venture's books and try something new. On that last quote, it was aimed at Illwei and not you, but I appreciate your candor about your thought process on removing and then re placing your vote on Lotus. That was a reasonable reaction. ----------------------------------- Not Game Related:

I love the activity! [2 hours and thirty ninjas later: you are welcome or maybe even encouraged to skip to the part about you. I'll come up with a TL;DR of all of my posts because if I can't parse my own arguments you shouldn't have to.] As Promised Interesting. I now have the benefit of analyzing this after you removed your vote... Good thing I ran out of time earlier. I believe your logic here is flawed. It presupposes too heavily that there is an elim adjudicator. While it serves them best, we still are far from sure about that... three ninjas, you have gone back on all of this. I don't know yet how to read this. I'd vote for you, but this too - I don't know- easy? You are easily my top suspect at the moment, but I really don't want to vote for you because I want you to be village. I also disagree with everyone else's reasons for suspecting you. If I vote for you, does that mean I agree with the others even though I don't agree with their reasons? Gears Posts Post 1 - Rules Recap and elim claim. completely NAI Post 2 - Prefers to let the spy do as he will. Still NAI Post 3 - Distribution guessing. NAI Post 4 - Good post analysis where he almost trusts me and Matrim and almost distrusts Kings Way. Post 5 - Votes Lotus Post 6 - Reconsiders vote Post 7 - Reaffirms vote Post 8 - Asks for reason Illwei is voting for him Post 9 - Offers advice. NAI Post 10 - This one is the one that starts setting off alarms for me. Lynching someone is important, but... jumping on the first person who you think can get lynched is... disconcerting. I agree lynching an elim adjudicator would be nice. I still am not totally convinced Lotus is an adjudicator. let alone an elim. Post 11 - This does resolve my concerns from my last post well. Total sense. NAI Post 12 - No other person was a good target is a big pill for me to swallow. This line of reasoning isn't working for me. I need to do this post more justice so I'll come back to it. There is a lot in here. Post 13 - Backing off here? Not backing off back at post eight? or eleven? The rest of the post is completely NAI. What changed?! The Iadon plan had already been produced for a while. Post 14 - Back to consistency. Post 15 - Revoted on Lotus. NAI Posts 10 and 13 have thrown me for a loop. Honestly, I think you're the spy, so I'm not especially out for your blood. Even so, that makes it so neither lynch is especially good for me right now. If it comes down to it I'd probably vote for Gears over Lotus for the moment. ------------------------------------------- On to the rest of the things. hahahahaha. I need to stay out of this one. That leads to so many theories that are just better brought up once we have a few role flips. Yeah, TJ said he'd have less time this game due to being a functioning person with a job. Hello Xinoehp! Welcome to the fray. Madness-dot-game. It looks like Venture has removed his vote as promised. I'm glad we got you here. I am going to leave my vote on you for a bit longer as you have given two tells of being an elim so far. I do appreciate the vote count, but providing one unprovoked is a good way of looking like contributing without actually adding anything alignment indicative. Also as has been mentioned, you tend to be quieter as an elim than as a villager. Generally I agree with your analysis of Lotus and with Gears as the other real lynch choice, I will leave my vote on you for now. I'm likely to remove it if it will get me PMs, or someone goofs. Ah right, this post. Thank you for your answer. This helped me to understand your reasoning a lot better. Great argument! Gears 1) This is true, unless he voted because of the talk of a likely elim adjudicator. Either way that was a fair enough call to vote for him based on the lack of information made in the post with his vote. 2) I'd say Lazy is taking it a bit far. He may not have had a better lynch target and decided to wait a minute until he did. I would be more amenable to lynching Lotus if that did make voting next cycle harder. I'd like open PMs and the adjudicator death trigger is a good way of getting there. I'll explain that in more detail in a minute. Lotus A) That is an interesting point. We probably should write Lotus' comment about trying a new playstyle as NAI. However, it has become centerpoint to the lynch and that's why we are digging so hard at it. 1) I'm not sure what protection Lotus would hope to gain. Our best option at the moment is taking their role and swapping it with something else... although there's an idea. 1a) Why does the monk want the adjudicator dead? 2) I'm still not seeing available protection. 3) Now there's an idea. This makes more sense than either of the other two. May I submit: 4) Lotus is an actor trying to draw and redirect an elim kill? or perhaps: 5) Lotus is the monk and is trying something convoluted that I haven't realized yet? Private Messages Plan If I vote on either of the current candidates, I break the tie and one of them is majority lynched. This brings the gift of PMs. We are capped at starting two ongoing PMs each. If anything were to prevent us successfully lynching someone once PMs were opened but limited, we lose the limit. One thing that would make it inconvenient to lynch someone is an adjudicator being night killed. Thus we start PMs cycle 1 and remove limits on PMs cycle 2. Therefore, I propose we do nothing to protect Lotus except not lynch them. How'd that poke vote feel? ahh now that's not fair. I've caused my share of chaos and it was great! Interesting. I appreciate the clear lines you draw here. You are actively aligning with Lotus and against Gears. such tasty information. Fair call. Gears knows the risks of claiming elim, so you are welcome to try to lynch him for it. 1. If I understand the underlying argument, you voted Lotus to not hit Iadon or the Exec sec more than because an elim might have the adjudicator role? That is a different argument from what you said, but now that I read it for the 27th or 28th time... It's not that adjudicators are not useful, it's that they are less useful than other roles. Don't let me put words in your mouth though. I'm not afraid of being wrong or offended when I am. 2. I mean, I gave you Xinoehp didn't I? I thought you were the spy!!! Vindication! Ah going to your computer is why you didn't have reasons in your vote post. I absolve you of that one. 3. I think you said it better when you said you didn't think Lotus was an elim, but you didn't not think that either. 4. Not to cause chaos? spoilsport . There is a pattern there huh? By all means play how you like. But see, I think PMs can be as useful a tool as a singular lynch. Especially if we get them early on in the game. Claiming elim is the new poke voting? I disagree. If I claim elim I may get a little information based on who is looking for excuses to lynch someone. However, that information is slow moving and frequently no better than circumstancial. It also requires an almost intimate knowledge of each other's playstyles. Some people (as evidenced) don't like the playstyle and will vote Gears out for even considering the playstyle. Of course It worked in a recent game where we caught Vapor for jumping on Gears, so it definitely can be a useful source of information, but it is definitely of the wide-net variety. Whereas when I poke someone, I demand a timely answer that could fluster or trip them up in their words. It's very much fishing with a spear, but the information I find tends to be more focused and I don't have to do as much cleaning to get to the meat. I really appreciate you trying it my way. If it's not to your liking, then by all means go back to yours. I am a fan of voting and lynching. That is a fair call about the claiming elim playstyle, but chaos is waayyy more fun! If I can keep the elims guessing, it takes away their best tool. Their plan. You remember how sacred to me my plan was back in the cultist game? *puts on my best angel face* I don't know what you're talking about Lenkai has realized that with law comes order and what is gooder than order? I'm with you on this one. Except your vote. which you agree is weird. But you don't change it back . . . . Thank Goodness that's done. Now to decide what it all means

Here is the dreaded multiquote I actually really appreciate that. It gives me a lot more to work off of and your vote is a valuable asset in both providing to me and obtaining information for yourself. I didn't think that your poke of Xino was suspicious. Quite the opposite. I just don't want that to be the only thing you do. That's what I meant by skating by. By all means keep your vote on Xino. I'll probably join you to see if extra pressure gets him here. What do you think of the other things going on in the thread? Your comment on Gears' playstyle is a great example. What are your thoughts on Lotus' claim? I honestly put you as slightly sus to get you to post again and it worked. That didn't even take a full vote. I'm hoping you'll spur others to post in the same way. You don't even have to change your vote from Xino to point something out that someone will have to respond to, so I understand how you felt about poke votes. I like them because they give my accusations a little more umph, but they shouldn't be necessary. Gosh! that's an exodus. Sorry for hounding you so much, but thank you for this post! Ignoring the spy makes the most sense to me as well. Are you trying to pocket me? Again? Thank you for your reads! Illwei I am very interested to see how we end up on different sides this game. Our first game together I threw you under the bus as an elim. Last game I took too long to trust you. Maybe this game it'll be the other way around. Or maybe it was nothing. We'll have to see. This is interesting and fun and I like it very much! Thank you for trying something new. It'll be interesting to see how this works out for you! Please let us know in the aftermath what you thought about the experience and whether you think it's worth trying again. I did a very similar thing in my first game. Right down to misspelling the role. Except, I lied. I honestly don't believe that you are an adjudicator and I don't want to vote for you. I'll admit that it is a little selfish on my part in that I really like PMs. If we lynch someone with over half of the voters on the same person, we open PMs. If you are killed tonight and are an adjudicator, it will be difficult to have a proper lynch next cycle. If we fail to kill with the lynch, I get my open PMs. So by all means, I am interested to see how your ploy works out. Interesting. I was assuming that Option 1 was your favorite and the whole reason for your vote. After all, your character said Everything to gain, Nothing to lose. The adjudicator isn't a huge role for us as it generally benefits the village to get their lynch. The only exception in my mind is if it opens a new avenue of information (like opening PMs). Normally, a no lynch benefit the elims marginally more than the village. The village doesn't lose a member, but they also give up info. But we're not really giving up info in the long run by allowing the elims to kill Lotus for two reasons. 1) it doesn't actually have to cost us the lynch. I have no doubt we will reach the 50% of voters this turn and it is far from impossible next turn. 2) If we are worried about not getting a lynch for a turn, Lotus is capable of making that happen more than once by actively blocking our lynch target. Once they have unlocked unimited PMs, adjudicators are more of a liability to the village than than a help as a role. Sorry for the block of text. TL;DR I like the idea of ignoring Lotus for now. If they die, we might get unlimited PMs. If they live an adjudicator isn't that big of a problem to deal with as long as they let us know who they are protecting and murders are available if they don't. Was this for his rash vote for Lotus? What do you think of the analysis he and I have provided since? As I say above. That bonus isn't really that strong. We can still pretty consistently reach that benchmark especially if some people don't vote at all... if we want to. I am all for getting PMs. Just did I'll present one Xinoehp now has two votes. I hope he gets on in the next eight hours, but we'll see. @xinoehp512 I'd respond to this one as well, but I'm repeating myself at this point. Would that really be a bad thing? Yeah, he started playing this way about three games ago. It's an aight strategy. he usually dies early for it though. So it sounds like you would be okay with a Lotus lynch? You left that option out and I wonder if that was on purpose. You doubt Lotus is an elim, but lynching them is far less inconvenient than trying to swap her role and you make it sound like it might be less inconvenient than getting a fifty percent lynch next cycle. I just don't know why you didn't go that far. Clearly I'm not bothered if we get a lynch next cycle or not, but if you think it's overly inconvenient, why not vote for Lotus this cycle? Ooh this is spicy. wait, which is the elim move? Gears voting for Lotus or Lotus claiming to try to get us to not lynch them? Or you voting for gears? But you also misremembered the rules, so Gears is clear? Yeah sorry. I got here eventually. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two more posts and I'm late for a thing. Don't let me not bring up more things. I will be back in a couple hours

Wow, things happened. Give me a bit to catch back up. Loving this activity though!

Yeah sorry, you were among the ninjas

Incoming!!! That's what I was looking for. :) Devotary aww thank you :) Ha real. Do you have any reads that I can analyze into oblivion? Illwei @Illwei, here is some pressure. Come and play? Opinions: Matrim - I'm a little surprised he reads me as good. That usually isn't the case. Even so, it feels like he is good. slight village Lotus - Any preliminary opinions? Null Venture - Random votes Xino over Gears (Gears' plan is working). I'd like to see a little more, but I understand if you are waiting for Xino to post before picking someone new. Do you maybe have an idea of others you'd like to see more from or has anyone rubbed you a weird way? I just can't let you get off with a random poke vote. It feels like you're skating by. Very slight elim. Ventyl - Voted on Gears for Gears causing Chaos. Which you like? But you like it when you are the cause. I can respect that. Chaos is my best info gathering tool, but when there are two I don't know if I can trust my own results. Even so... Do you believe Gears is an elim? or at least detrimental enough that he ought to be removed from the village? I suppose I'm trying and failing to understand your reasoning for finally voting on him. My best two ideas are a joke vote or a poke vote. A poke vote isn't helping because he has posted. A joke vote is a good reason... but will you give me some more people who you are also suspicious of? Very slight elim. Elkanah Really a hero among men. Village TJ Shade - I'm going to hold your feet to the fire a little bit this game the same way I did Kynedath last time. Role analysis is good, but I'd like to see you tie yourself to people. I understand you are quite busy, so I'll leave it at that. Null Gears - Is an elim. You're quite active which I appreciate. You have done a lot of the same things as I have in identifying important roles. I'd like to see more of your opinions on players, though. What were your thoughts on Ventyl's vote? Null Kings Way - Interesting opinion on the spy. My thought process is that the game is very awkward for the elims as long as the spy is alive. Maybe we shouldn't protect them, but the most damaging thing they can do to us is vote. *looks at rules to see if that is correct* Interesting, so they can use a roleblock or a bodyguard ability as well, but they have to kind of out themselves to get it. Either of those seems good to me. If the spy hooks up with the elims they could pull a WGG I guess... Wait, no the elims would kill them. Ok, it may not be bad to provide a little cover for the spy by spreading the vote next turn so they can unlock being a roleblocker/bodyguard. They don't know who the elims are, so they can't thwart any of our murders and they might end up saving villagers on accident. Sorry, that thought process took over my analysis for a minute. My first instinct was to read you as an elim for wanting the village to take out the spy for you, but you may be right, so I'm going to percolate on that thought process a little longer. Very slight elim. Vapor - Good reads. Do you have any accusations to go with them? Null Devotary - I agree that insignias are definitely not as valuable as the surveillance contract. You bring up an interesting point as to whether we believe someone is the Spy if they claim. I don't know. Maybe they can prove it? but that would be easy enough for an elim to fake with an embargo. Hmm. I keep wanting to assign the Spy to a team, but that's the whole point of a third faction. They aren't on a team. But yes, the elims should take care of them for us. Null Four Ninjas Later Ashbringer - Good RP Mist - I hope the test went well! Have Yet To Post Xino Illwei Silberfarben Posting now before I get further behind

Right. I agree. That's a really interesting balancing point. I know the kingpins get the discount, but the more there are, the more the prices rise as the game continues. Eventually, we get locked out of being able to murder and if we didn't get the elim adjudicator early, the game is lost. I'm still of the opinion that there is probably not more than two of any role except the socialites. Let's graph that 1 Iadon 1 Exec Sec 1 Actor 1 Spy 2 Kingpin 2 Adjudicator 2 Trademaster 2 Burglar 3 Socialites That's my guess. Also 4 elims... Unless the spy counts as an elim, then maybe 3 elims and one spy.

Hooray, posts! Given the relative power of an adjudicator, what do you think the odds are of the elims starting with one? Of course with a body snatcher contract and King Iadon moving stuff around anything becomes possible. It is a pretty big drawback to the role that actions can only be taken at night. Whoever has this role is going to have an interesting time guessing because frequently we haven't decided who we are lynching until the last ten minutes of the cycle, much less the night before! As a general principle you are correct that elim adjudicators have easy targets. I suppose I think playing around that kind of power is going to be harder than waiting to have a lynch discussion until the day turn. That's probably why murder contracts are so cheap. The elims have the possibility of locking us out of the lynch, so we have other means of taking them down. This is pretty interesting. Option 2 makes the most sense to me. Hunting the spy does nothing to help us with our win con and with luck will waste at least one of the elim's night kills. Keeping them alive may become relevant at Lylo as the elims either have to guess which villager is the spy or eat one of their own, but until that point they may as well be another villager... who is voting for villagers. Yes please. I like PMs. The closest thing we have to item scanners is burglars. It'll be interesting to see what they can find. I'll vote for Devotary. Half of us are here so it's time to start analysis Matrim - Good RP. Votes Ashbringer. Wants PMs. Pretty in character for Matrim. very slight village Lotus - Good RP Venture - Good RP. Random votes Xino over Gears (Gears' plan is working) Ventyl - Good RP. Votes Gears not because Gears is elim, but because Gears is using the same strategy. Confession of guilt? "Gears is using my strategy." "Gears' strategy is sus." "My strategy is sus?" Elkanah Good. wise. benevolent. TJ Shade - Leery of adjudicators of all alignments Gears - Good RP. Is an elim. Have Yet To Post Xino Mist Ashbringer Illwei Kings Way Silberfarben Vapor Devotary That should give you all something to think about :)