ArchonTremaine

I'm not that convinced bringing the civilisation depicted crashing down would be a bad thing, which is the other side of this coin.

or that he did what the Ruin part of him enjoyed most, sadism and cruelty, and used Preservation to aim the result. I cannot forgive him for that, as he unleashed the cruelty on people who had done nothing to deserve it, and destroyed their happiness with no reward.

On the end note: yes, and they died, if Harmony had made that same sacrifice, his own death as penance, then it would have been less bad. In this case slavery is: the obliteration of a persons will, either by threat of pain/death to self or others, or as Harmony does, literal removal of that will. I used the example of torture because it was during a debate on that issue, and some common theoretical situations used to justify it, that I came to this conclusion. In this case slavery is worse than death because it directly makes a free willed sentient nothing more than an object, a tool of anothers will, and they then can be used to do further harm, this is worse than a killing because, while death is terrible and an evil in and of itself, it does not make the target a tool, they remain themselves even if only in death, a slave looses that.

The attempt itself, no matter the reason, is an evil action, capital E no redemption evil. Slavery is NEVER justified torture is NEVER justified, the end. No if, no but, no maybe. If it's let a million die or enslave 1 person, the moral act is let a million die. If however killing the person you would want to enslave is an option, that is the moral act. We kind of do though, bloody Tan describes meeting death, and hearing a voice commanding and demading actions of him, that sounds to me like Marsh and Harmony.

it all depensd on how large the gap is, quantity does have a quality all of it's own, but if it's mid 19th century tech vs early 20th? Sorry massed machine guns and artillery beat cannons and early repeaters hollow far to fast for a 'catch up' period. mid 19th vs late 19th? then maybe.

Tell Wax what he is needed to do and let him choose. Simple. OR be as large a threat to the world as any other shard, he chose to be a the Big Bad. His own free will and his own claimed laws damnation him to death, now we only wait the guy with the noose. If you represent freedom you take the result of that freedom. If you don't then do not claim to and admit to being a benevolent (to an extent) tyrant. As I said previously, slavery like torture is NEVER justified, no if buts or maybes, it is NEVER justified. Jailing people, who commited a crime of their own free will after a fair trial, is not the same thing

No. Slavery is immoral, no if, buts or other provisos, slavery like torture is never justified. Death is preferable. So kill the mist wraiths, if the only choice is that or enslave them.

He set up the events with Bloody Tan, his actions drove Paalm insane. (She had to choose, free will and madness or being controlled by Harmony and being sane enough to know she was a slave on a leash) She chose freedom. But the threat was implicit, slavery or madness for the entire species as far as I can tell, and that makes a lie of his 'free will' stance. He had another option, he can communicate with people and reason, but he chooses coercion, every time. Which, in my book, makes him villianous, maybe a well intentioned extremist, but a villian none the less. Note: this does not make him less interesting ,just that him dying and being replaced with some oen who actually cares about free will, and the cost of such, is a goal I can get behind.

My bet? Given events in SoS is that the Puppet Master IS Harmony, his huge streak of 'OBEY ME OR I DESTROY EVERYTING YOU LOVE AND DRIVE YOU INSANE' shocked me, but he entered villian territory right then for me. Their is no possible justification for what he did to Wax and Lessie, none. (EDIT : Lessie even) For someone who is supposed to be all about fre will, he has a huge number of mind raped slaves.