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6 hours ago, FirstSelector said:

So, if we are lucky, we will also have the audio from my recording too.  However, there was a mixup and my phone vanished halfway through the signing.  It was an honest mistake and I'll have it back soon, but the recording may not have survived the ordeal.

However, I have some notes of my own and several inscriptions (with photos), so I'll post that.

EDIT: removed a question/answer from an unpublished book, put pictures and text in spoilers (for ease of use and Oathbringer spoilers)

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Q: "Does red in cosmere signify one Shard co-opting or corrupting another Shard's magic?"

A: Yes, and he was rather surprised that I figured it out so soon.


Q: "Was Khriss involved in founding the (a) University at Silverlight"

A: "Yup"


Q: "Was the Nightwatcher the spren that powered the Urithiru fabrial?"

A: "Nope!"
 

Q: "Can Nightblood be dismissed like a Rosharan shardblade?"

A: "He thinks you could."


Q: I asked if there was a name for a large magical construct.  He said that fabrial is a word that will eventually come to mean this, but then I clarified that I meant like the system left to pick Elantrians.
A: RAFO
 

Q: "Is Uli Da Ambition?"

A: "Yes.  It's kind of obvious, right?"

 

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Oh awesome, that question about color and corrupted Investiture was one that I had. Thanks for getting that confirmed.

12 minutes ago, Salkara said:

Based upon the Stormfather using a plural pronoun ("they") and said it is slumbering, I think it may have something to do with the Sleepless.

Brandon could just be using singular they there though.

2 minutes ago, taxilian said:

Also interesting is this quote from the prologue:

This is a bit far fetched, but it did make me wonder if the third bondsmith spren could be somehow related to Odium; we know that spren can decide their morality for themselves, after all.  I'm mostly leaning away from that idea, but *something* strange happened there.

I'm reasonably sure that the spren Gavilar is referring to there is actually Ba-Ado-Mishram, at least this sequence form the epigraphs heavily implies it:

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Something must be done about the remnants of Odium’s forces. The parsh, as they are now called, continue their war with zeal, even without their masters from Damnation.

—From drawer 30-20, first emerald77

 

A coalition has been formed among scholar Radiants. Our goal is to deny the enemy their supply of Voidlight; this will prevent their continuing transformations, and give us an edge in combat.

—From drawer 30-20, second emerald78

 

Our revelation is fueled by the theory that the Unmade can perhaps be captured like ordinary spren. It would take a special prison. And a Bondsmith.

—From drawer 30-20, third emerald79

 

Ba-Ado-Mishram has somehow Connected with the parsh people, as Odium once did. She provides Voidlight and facilitates forms of power. Our strike team is going to imprison her.

—From drawer 30-20, fourth emerald80

 

We are uncertain the effect this will have on the parsh. At the very least, it should deny them forms of power. Naze-daughter-Kuzodo warns of unintended side effects.

—From drawer 30-20, fifth emerald81

 

Surely this will bring—at long last—the end to war that the Heralds promised us.

—From drawer 30-20, final emerald82

3 hours ago, Rider of Storms said:

It also says that she considers many worlds among her realm, and White Sand was about 1000 years previous to these letters at least. Did you see Weiry's thread saying Obrodai might have been First of the Sun? Some of that stuff makes a lot of sense and deserves further thought.

That's actually not what I was proposing. The way I read that letter the aspect of Bavadin that is writing it is not on Obrodai, my theory is that they are on First of the Sun. (Hopefully I remember to like to my theory thread when I'm not on my phone...)

Edit: Here's a link to that theory.

1 minute ago, Leyrann said:

Help me out. Is one of those two what we call the Thrill?

Nergaoul causes the Thrill. Ashertmarn was in Kholinar causing the debauchery.

16 hours ago, ROSHtaFARian2.0 said:

I like it. It makes a certain kind of symmetry, especially when you consider that the Shards are essentially divine intent devoid of context. Odium is Hatred, but as part of a greater whole, his Intent might in context be considered Hatred for things that are evil. After all, there's nothing inherently wrong in hating things like oppression or murder. It's when you remove Odium from any other factors that give hatred context and just cast him adrift with a mind married to the idea of hatred and no direction to how and where it's applied....that's when you get Odium the villain.

So when you give a piece of yourself a mind and will of its own, the freedom to make its own choices, you can no longer guarantee that new intent will ultimately be in accord with yours. It might at first, is likely to at first, especially if you think of these things in terms of parents and children, with the latter more predisposed to follow in their parent's footsteps (especially if they're a fearsome, authoritarian parent who brooks no disobedience) - but ultimately, it is as free to choose its own way as Odium was free to pursue his Intent of Hatred indiscriminately.

See I'm actually inclined to believe Odium when he says he is the Shard of passion and emotion (or rather I think that if someone else where to hold it it could be those things) but that Rayse's view of it is why it is so focused on hatred. That would also mean that his Splinters wouldn't have to be constrained by his view of the Shard. Like it could be argued that Nergaoul and Ashertmarn aren't particularly hateful, they are just passions taken to a detrimental extreme. The fact that Sja-anat is sapient further compounds that as she can choose how to act, exactly as you describe.

2 hours ago, rdog2213 said:

Did anyone else think it odd that Venli's spren (Timbre) was initially found near Eshonai's body? I think that either Eshonai was close to swearing her oaths as a KR before the whole stormform debacle or, moving into wild speculation territory, that spren was some remnant of Eshonai like her Cognitive Shadow or soul. Either one makes sense to me since Eshonai fits the underlying values of the Willshapers (general love of adventure, novelty, or oddity) perfectly whereas Venli doesn't fit them quite as much. I guess the whole searching for voidspren thing could fall under that but it seems more Eshonai's thing than Venli.

While reading, I was pretty certain it was the latter and we'd get a big reveal that Timbre = Eshonai but it does make more sense for Timbre to be the missing lightspren mentioned by the captain so perhaps the former is more likely. Kind of a similar situation to what Wit did in the epilogue with Elhokar's presumed spren.

Since we do see Timbre hanging around Eshonai during WoR I am sceptical of her being Eshonai's Cognitive shadow.

Ym's spren would be a mistspren, as he was a proto-Truthwatcher. It matches the description of the Physical Ream form in my post.

I did not include Glys in this, but his Physical Realm form is vaguely reminiscent of normal mistspren, only red and with shards of glass growing instead of plants.

10 hours ago, IntentAwesome said:

Interesting thoughts on the mistspren. I had not associated them with Truthwatcher spren. I had wondered if they were actually not fully formed Honorspren, by the more simplistic way they often behaved. But that could be from not speaking Alethi. 

What do you think their association with the Honorspren is? 

I didn't see anything to suggest them being not fully formed Honorspren, they seem pretty visually distinct.

12 minutes ago, Ace0003 said:

Yes, this was last night at the release party while going through the personalization line. 

Okay I've moved this to the actual event thread then, the other one is for books people ordered online.

6 hours ago, Ace0003 said:

Chaos,

Great idea consolidating all of the OB info from the signing. Attached is my picture of the quote from Brandon. My question was, "Name a member of the 17th shard that we do not know is a member." His response was, "So... Iyatil was once in the 17th shard." Exciting! Any thoughts on who else could be or has been a member?

Was this actually from the release party?

So probably the worst part of being a beta reader is not being able join in public discussion because you know stuff that relates which can’t be divulged. I ran into this earlier this year when people were proposing “Wisdom” as the Intent of the Shard that wants to hide and survive. It was an idea I had had as well, but I couldn’t talk about it because it was founded on a line from Oathbringer.

In Chapter 68, Hoid has the following line:

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I am not one of those, for wisdom and I have always been at cross-purposes, and I have yet to learn the tongue in which she speaks.

Now it’s entirely Hoid is just being Hoid here and just philosophizing to frustrate Shallan. But I also would not put it past Hoid to make an off-hand reference to a Shard that only he would understand. We actually see this in Words of Radiance when Hoid talks about how there is only one woman his age in these parts.

So in Oathbringer we learn quite a lot about the Unmade, particularly about Sja-anat. We get confirmation that she can “corrupt” (or as she calls it “Enlighten”) spren by injecting Odious Investiture into them. We also learn that she doesn’t like being on Odium’s team and wants to join Team Knights Radiant.

We also see that she is growing more skillful in Enlightening spren. As she mentions in Chapter 97 in reference to the Oathgate spren:

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...we’ve never managed to Enlighten such powerful spren before.

Compare this to the Chapter 97 epigraph:

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Of the Unmade, Sja-anat was most feared by the Radiants. They spoke extensively of her ability to corrupt spren, though only “lesser” spren—whatever that means.

—From Hessi’s Mythica, page 89

There is also the matter of Glys, who is likely the “son” that Sja-anat mentions to Shallan before they get sent to the Cognitive Realm. He seems to be a mistspren that has been “corrupted” with Odious Investiture, but yet he still seems to be able to form a Nahel bond and make Renarin a Knight Radiant.

What if Sja-anat ends up doing the same thing to herself, only in reverse? Perhaps with the aid of Cultivation and Dalinar (as the person in control of Honor’s remaining power) she will be able to “corrupt” herself with some of Honor’s and Cultivation’s Investiture, freeing herself from the control of Odium and potentially granting her the ability to be a fourth Bondsmith spren?

So in Part Two of Oathbringer we get the following letter, presumably from Bavadin to Hoid:

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Cephandrius, bearer of the First Gem,

You must know better than to approach us by relying upon past presumption of relationship.42 You have spoken to one who cannot respond. We, instead, will take your communication to us—though we know not how you located us upon this world.43 We are indeed intrigued, for we thought it well hidden. Insignificant among our many realms.44 As the waves of the sea must continue to surge, so must our will continue resolute.

Alone.45

Did you expect anything else from us? We need not suffer the interference of another. Rayse is contained, and we care not for his prison.46 Indeed, we admire his initiative. Perhaps if you had approached the correct one of us with your plea, it would have found favorable audience.47 But we stand in the sea, pleased with our domains. Leave us alone.48 We also instruct that you should not return to Obrodai. We have claimed that world, and a new avatar of our being is beginning to manifest there.

She is young yet, and—as a precaution—she has been instilled with an intense and overpowering dislike of you.50 This is all we will say at this time. If you wish more, seek these waters in person and overcome the tests we have created.

Only in this will you earn our respect.51

This letter gives a little more insight into Bavadin’s psyche, namely the part where she seems to have multiple personas. Also see this WoB:

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Brandon Sanderson

Bavadin has several male personas, and has often appeared as male for one purpose or another, so it's not that much of an issue. She has more female personas, but some of the male ones are quite popular.

This won't be relevant for a long while, but as a service to the community, let me say this: try not to get too hung up on gender, race, or even human appearance where Bavadin is concerned. There are some peoples who worship entire pantheons where every member is actually her.

(source)

My, somewhat crack-y, theory is that the specific persona writing to Hoid here is located on First of the Sun and is the source for the Patji’s Eye Perpendicularity. My primary reasoning for this is the distinctly watery theme of her language. What world do we know that also has a strong watery theme? That’s right, First of the Sun. In fact, according to Khriss in her essay about the Drominad system:

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All four of these planets have water as a dominant feature.

Bavadin also mentions that she thought this aspect was well-hidden, that the world it resides on was “insignificant among our many realms”. Personally this screams First of the Sun to me. I would wager a guess that the entire island Pantheon consists of aspects of Bavadin.

There is also a more meta reasoning, in that I don’t think Brandon would include a letter from some random part of the cosmere. I think he would be more likely to keep things to the parts that we know and have experience with.

For more discussion on this check out the Shardcast episode on the Part Two epigraphs, coming out soon!

Edit: And here it is!

25 minutes ago, Argent said:

I don't think we'll need an entire Discord server for it. There will probably be a channel though. @Chaos?

Since there's already been a channel for it for months, that's a safe assumption ;D. The current plan is for it just to have the one channel hosted in the 17th Shard discord. If it gets to the point where it needs multiple channels for some reason we will look at our options then.

I think it's Ishar and Shalash.

In general typo/error reports go into that books spoiler forum. In this case however the process of copying from the pdf in order to post these previews is introducing errors that do not exist in the actual book. As such please wait to make sure the error is actually present in the book before reporting stuff.

Here's a video of one of the panels Brandon was on (recorded, I believe by Jim Butcher's assistant?):

21 hours ago, maxal said:

It seems a lot. I doubt they will post more than 3 or 4 sample chapters.

They usually post more than that. WoR had about ten chapters posted for it. Even Bands had six.

4 hours ago, Draginon said:

Let me make sure I understand the release order being posted:

AG 1

Unknown Novella

AG 2

Unknown Novella

AG 3

Mistborn 2.4/W&W 4, Rithmatist 2, Legion 3 (unknown order)

Stormlight 4

Unplanned bizarre book

Stormlight 5!?

 

I hope the earth based stories collection finds a place somewhere in there, maybe between Stormlight 4 and 5?

Brandon is talking about writing order here, not release order. There are two publishers (plus the novellas likely will be self-published or with a small press) so schedules are going to overlap probably.

Just now, Just another guyn said:

I don't know if it was officially part of a classe.  Brandon's students were invited to a pizza party and signing and were told the could bring friends, and thats how I ended up there. I  could try and conntact the guy who invited me and get more info. out of curiosity, why do you ask?

Indexing, want to make sure the wobs you shared are dated correctly.

2 minutes ago, Just another guyn said:

looks like it was April 24th or 25th

It was part of the class, right? Was it a Tuesday or a Monday class?

5 minutes ago, Just another guyn said:

Next time I see Peter or Brandon I will mention it.

Quick question, do you happen to remember the day that q&a took place?