Amaror

Skaze and Seons aren't really like the Stormfather. They are conscious, but not as powerfull (At least Seons. Skaze might but they are of Dominion and wouldn't have chosen Raoden) or as, I don't know how to describe it, connected to their shard, maybe. The Stormfather seems to know, at least partially, his shards intent and consciously works towards helping that goal by choosing Dalinar. From what Interactions we have with Seons they don't really seem to know all that much more about how everything works on their world. What I meant is that Odium wouldn't leave splinters as strong as the Stormfather.

I would also think the "chosen by shard" theory to be unlikely. Vin was directly chosen by the Preservations carrier as part of his plan against ruin and Dalinar was chosen by the Stormfather. Devotion and Dominion are both splintered, so they themselves can't make any cognitive choices anymore. And they "stuffed" together in an eternal struggle to keep them from forming a conscience. I suppose their could be a Stormfather-like great splinter of devotion that consciously chose Raoden, but given how much effort odium seems to have put into keeping both shard from gaining conscience, I find it highly unlikely that he would leave a conscious splinter of one of them in the world. Another thing I find quite interesting is the question were Elantris originally came from. We know that it's basically a giant Aon itself. That seems to suggest that the city is basically used program the Shaod to take place and create Elantrians. Which leaves the question of who designed and build the city to create the Elantrians. Hoid?

I hardly think he was the first. I think he was just the most stubborn Elantrian doing it, caused by a combination of his optimism and his allready existing knowledge of Aons. I don't propose the theory that everyone practicing the Aons would have gotten this reaction. As I said some of the Dor settles into the Elantrian body. But a little of that Energy wouldn't be enough to really do anything. But Raoden practiced the Aons every day for 2 months. So more and more energy settled into his body. After a time it became enough energy to cause his pain attacks. And then they became stronger as he continued to practice them.

I recently reread Elantris and got a theory on the exact origins of Raodens painfull Dor Attacks, that he suffers before he knows to draw the chasm line to make the Aons work. Maybe this "theory" is obvious, but I just noticed it so I want to share it. So Raoden gets regular pain attacks from the dor, which make him glow in some way. His own theory on why this happens is that he just may be stronger connected to the Dor than everyone else. I always thought that this wasn't it. 10 Years isn't incredibly long, but it's long enough for a lot of people to be taken by the shaod, at least if it's rate is anywhere near the books. If it just required strength in the Dor there had to be some Elantrians with at least similar strength and I think people suddenly starting to glow would have stayed in people's mind. My theory is that his attacks are because he trained in using the Aons. I think that the Elantrians bodies, when drawing Aons, basically act like catalysts for the investiture from the Dor. They draw the Signs which the Dor uses to take shape and do things. The fact that the shining lines still appear for the "unfinished" elantrians and the fact that Raoden was able to use magic before finishing the city shows that some of the Dor still moves into the world through the Sheod-Elantrians, it just can't travel through properly because the signs are unfinished. So were does that Energy go? I don't think all of it just evaporates in the light of the Aon itself. It think more of it travels through, but gets stuck when the sign isn't done properly. It just stays in the Elantrians body. It's why the incident with dilafs wife happened. The sign wasn't finished properly but the Dor still pushed through and caused all that damage. Now the Dor can get through the Sheod-Elantrians way worse than before, so not much energy escapes. But my theory basically is that through training over and over again in the Aons, more and more Energy tried to take shape in the Aons, failed, and then settled in Raoden's body. The more time he spent training in Aons the more energy got trapped in his body. It tries to escape, resulting in Raodens pain attacks, but it can't because, unlike normal Elantrians bodies, Raoden's Sheod-Elantrian body can't radiate Dor Energy naturally. It tries to escape again and again and when it finally has a chance to do so, through Raoden drawing a Aon capable of channeling the Dor all the Energy stored in Raoden escaped at once leading to that overly powerfull Aon he experienced.

I heavily, heavily doubt that the diagramm was actually done on a "insanely intelligent day". One of the examples of Mr. T's high intelligence is that he thought it a great idea to get dumb people to kill themselves. That might be a logical thing to do, but not a smart thing, since everyone should realize that noone would listen to him. If you amplify this kind of cold, calculating logic by an insane degree you would get a person that's very logical, but has no clue how people actually work and do things. Does this sound like the kind of intelligence that could come up with a grand plan on how to manipulate thousands of kingdoms full of people into becoming their one ultimate leader? I don't think so. There's something definetly up with the Diagramm.

I am not a really big fan of love triangles and I really hope the Kalladin/Shallan/Adolin situation doesn't dissolve into that. I was actually pleasently surprised in WoR, that "main protagonist man" and "main protagonist woman" were not all that favourable to each other. I don't really like it when I can tell which characters are goint to have sex with each other based solely on their gender and how important they are to the story. I wasn't particullary happy when the chasm scene happened, though I still did like the scene itself very much. And, as much as I love Brandons work, I don't have the blind faith in him that he will just magically make those tropes not suck. I loved WoR, but I didn't enjoy Kalladins parts a great deal. I get that it was an important arc for him to go through, but so much of it just relied on Kalladin being dumber than he normally is in order to happen. Which is another pretty tired trope. Protagonist acts dumb to make drama happen. Syl practically told him what he was doing wrong and he still wondered when she grew more distant and he ended up loosing his power.

Of course there are always people that feel differently. My point was that an eye weakness is similar to other diabilities in that some people will not accept it as part of their real self. Some will, but some, like Lopen, won't. So there's definetly a reason why someone with an eye weakness could easily get healed from it using stormlight even if they have gotten used to wearing glasses by doing it their whole life. This is doubly true for a person like Renarin who desired to be able to fight like his father and brother and his eye weakness is obviously one of the things keeping him from becoming a fighter.

What? Why would people associate their glasses with themselves? Bad Eyesight is not terribly unlike Lopens Stump. It's a physical flaw and that's not really something that people associate with themselves. When you wear glasses you don't see them as part of yourself. They are just another tool that helps you to temporarily fix the flaw of your bad eyesight. As a person with glasses I can tell you that you don't see the glasses as a part of yourself. You largely just ignore that they are there. You can accept that you will need the glasses for the rest of your life in order to see properly but you will never generally see the glasses as a part of your person. In the same way that a disabled person will most likely never see their disability as a part of who they are.

Interesting. A very good argument. I think people could point out shallan as a contradiction as she supposedly started out by trying to bring more happiness into her families live. But we actually don't know how shallan was before her breaking since we don't even know what broke her yet. Can't be her mothers death because at that point she allready has pattern and has actually progressed far enough to summon him.

The thing is: We don't know why he wants to be a strong king. We just have very little to go on about his motives. His motivation for being a strong king COULD be solely based on the desire for power. Or it could be due to the desire to create a good, strong kingdom for his subjects and vassals. I think it's in between. I think he wants to be a strong king because his father was. He wants to be a strong, powerfull leader in war and a clever politian in court. He wants to continue what his father started, which was also meant to make a strong kingdom. But he's not his father. I think at this point we just don't know enough about Elhokar to make a good judgement about his intentions.

I think it's pretty obvious, if not fact, that Elhokar at least has some kind of spren observing him. Whether or not that spren has/will bond him remains to be seen. I just recently reread both books and the hints of this appeared even in the first book. I can't remember the chapter, but there is one scene were Dalinar is with him at a duel and Elhokar mutters something about "Watching in the mirror, twisting shapes.". It's made pretty apparent in the book that this is were his major character trait, his constant paranoia, comes from. He sees spren in his mirror and thinks they are assassins that are after him. I am not 100% sure but my first thought is that the spren are cryptics like Shallans. Elhokar isn't really all that much like Shallan, but Cryptics seem to be less interested in virtues and ideals and more in the fact that the people have some lies about themselves. Something that they don't admit to themselves and push down and their progression through the order happens by admitting who they truly are and what they did. Elhokar could have that. We don't know enough about him to truly tell at this point.

The problem with that is that those images are fairly low resolution on the kindle. It kindof works with the notes on maps and stuff in other BS books, but the text in the newspapers is so tiny and low res that it's even difficult to read when zoomed in completely.

It was meant for multiple questions. Why wasn't this fixed yet? It's been half a year and this is an online book, it can easily be updated and has happened before with Brandons books and this is a rather large fault of the book. I expected a bit more service there, considering these books, while good and worth it in my opinion, are on the lower end of the content/price ratio. And why don't they do something similar with the other books of Brandon? Having a clear text of all those tiny notes on the drawings would help A LOT. Exspecially since they often feature information about the world or at least nice little easter eggs.

I just recently started to read Bands of Mourning and noticed that the Newspapers in the Kindle-edition didn't have any plain text afterwards explaining what's written in them. That was one of the things I liked most about the previous 2. Era Mistborn books. There are so many informative drawings in Brandon's books and any notes and hidden secrets are always impossible to read in the kindle editions. It's really annoying. I even checked if there was an update for this. Nothing on auto-update and I even asked the amazon support, but they apparently have no such update availible. I feel quite a bit disapointed now. The books are really good, but they are allready quite expensive considering the amount of content they provide in comparison with Brandons other books. And now some of the content that is there is basically unreadable. Edit: Just noticed I accidently put this in the spoiler thread. If a mod could move it into the regular Mistborn Thread, it would be great. Thank you.

So I am currently rereading the various mistborn books and during Allow of Law I noticed that Way suggests inviting a person from House Venture to his wedding. But how did this family even continue to exist? Elend was the last true member of House Venture after Straff was killed, since all of Straffs children were illegetimate and therefore not true members of the house. And Elend died and didn't have any children, I am positive that Vin giving birth to a child would have been a significant enough development to have been mentioned in the book. So, how did Venture as a House survive?

Well would be kindof hard to check since there isn't any atium anymore, apart from the atium that Marsh is carrying. So I personally think that there still are godmetal-mistings, Yomen was a natural atium-misting after all, but they just don't know what they are since there's no way to check.

No, we know there were possible seers before the mist-snapping, because Yomen is one. They just didn't want to waste atium checking people for it.

They could but it's not very easy to add new gameplay mechanics to a game when it wasn't build for them. And surgebinding would kind of need that. I think. I haven't personally modded anything for skyrim, so maybe it's the best most open gameengine ever and you can mod in literally anything. Though I doubt it, even though there are some great mods for Skyrim out there. And even then making a full conversion mod for skyrim with stormlight theme would still be an incredible amount of work. But on the other hand having 2D lashing mechanics in, for example, Unity would not be too hard to pull of. It's just another way of manipulating how your character moves after all and Unity allows a lot of freedom in that regard. Which I can attest to since I have allready done my fair shair of Unity programming.

Do you guys really think Rayse would be able to just pick up another shard just like that? I don't think it would fit him. Correct me if I am wrong here, but if I remember right Secret History kind of explained that a shard can only be really picked up if the potential shardholder *fits* the shard. Like how Kelsier could only pick up Preservation with a device (And even with that he could only hold the shard very poorly), because he had too much destructive power in him. He was too much of ruin, so to say. Now Sazed was able to pick up Ruin and Preservation because he was somewhat neutral. He fit both Preservation and Ruin equally and thus was able to pick up both and combine them to a new intent. Rayse, at least from what I remember of the letters, is pretty much 100% of Odium, so I heavily doubt he would be able to just pick up another shard like it's nothing.

Wow thanks for the fast response. This reminds me of another thing I noticed during my reread, though it's a lot more nebulous and theoretical than that honorblade. During Taravangians chapter in Jah Keved his "Bodyguard" Mrall is happy to see the destruction of Jah Kevek. Really happy. And it sound very similar to the feelings Marsh describes when he has been taken control of by Ruin. Ruin is obviously not on Roshar, so this could either indicate that he is being influenced by Odium (We allready know that Odium influences people in this way in the form of the thrill) or maybe Mrall is a worldhopper from Scadrial. Though that is more unlikely since by this time Ruin should allready be merged into Harmony since that one guy from Scadrial is on Roshar. Whatshisname the pious survivor general. Also: What Taravangian is doing sounds a bit similar to what is described in one of Dalinars Vision. Nohadon tells "Dalinar" that one of the Radiants had just started a massive civil war before the Desolation hit. I think it's not unlikely that the Diagram has been corrupted by Odium in order to weaken humankind on Roshar before the True Desolation.

Hate being the one who has to say this, but you should really keep it down, guys. I love that so many here seem to be excited about making a game like this, but at least the initial idea from the OP poster seems way, way too ambitious. I mean seriously "like Skyrim". Yeah, you are not going to make a game similar to a AAA game worked on by hundreds of proffessionals with less than a dozen fans with few availible hours to contribute to it. I am not writing this to crush anyone's dreams. I just have a bit experience doing software projects, so I would recommend you guys to just keep it small and simple. Don't try to make some massive 3D open-world game. You are not going to finish that. I don't need voidbinding to see that. But I think you could make a really cool game if you kept it small and rather simple. How about ... 2D game, playing Szeth doing his assassinations. That would just cover a couple of missions and just windrunner abilities, so it wouldn't be too much. And it would still allow you to have plenty of cool things to try out and play with. Szeth lashing himself in the various directions could make a cool dodge-mechanic. Coupled with a big number of enemies it could make for a really cool little game. Add to that the ability to lash random environmental objects and you have another cool little mechanics you could add. Try to make a game like that and if it works out you can THEN try and make your AAA 3D open-world game that beats GTA and Skyrim at once.

So I recently reread both Stormlight books and don't really get one thing: We know about the remaining Herald, the one who died and tried to keep the Oathpact, that he arrived for the True Desolation in Kholinar with his Honorblade. Afterwards he was carried to the Shattered Plains with Hoids help and arrived at the Shattered Plains to be seen by Elhokar and Dalinar with his Honorblade. Dalinar subsequently used him in order to "test" Amaram after he heard the accusation of Kaladin and Amaram refused to help Adolin in the Arena. He bound the blade that arrived with the Herald and hit it in a cave. He then ordered Amaram to find out about the blade that the Herald had carried, tricking him into stealing the blade which Dalinar had allready bounded. So far, so good. Now we also know that Dalinar experiences his Visions most likely because he has a bond with the Stormfather. In the end of Words of Radiance, Dalinar speaks the first two ideals of the Bondsmiths, summons his blade, hears the screams and drops it unbonded. But that doesn't make sense. This blade came with the Herald and should be an Honorblade. Honorblades existed before the Nahel Bond and are not dead Spren. So Danilar has no reason too hear screams upon touching it. What am I missing here? Did someone (Hoid maybe?) exchange the Honorblade for a "regular" Shardblade? Maybe on his way to the Shattered Plains? What do you guys think?

Ah, ok, interesting. Do you have a source for that by any chance. It's not that I don't believe you, it would just be interesting to read it myself. That sortof destroys my theory a bit, but I would just reformulate it to say: Maybe the Origin of the Listeners has something to do with honor. Maybe they bind Spren so strongly because they have a greater part of Honor in them than humans do. Though I still disagree with the first reply in that I don't think that the fact that the magic systems requiring binding spren to living beings is something that has nothing to do with Honor. We had magic systems on one world share similarities without a clear connection to the shards they came from, like Allomancy, Feruchemy and Hemalurgy all being based on metals, but I think it's too much of a coincidence for Honor's intention to be to "bind things" and several things on Roshar requiring "binding things" for them to work.

Really, you don't think that changing forms for listeners is voidbinding? It seemed obvious to me. We know that listeners are ex-voidbringers, we know that they can change their whole body by binding with a spren, which is something that's clearly magical. VOIDbinding describing the process that creates VOIDbringer just sounds very logical to me. Additionally we allready know that there are listener-forms that are clearly tied to voidbinding, like the Nightform. It predicts the future, something that's clearly tied to voidbinding. Yes, not all listener-forms are evil and let them be controlled by odium, but they are part of the same process as forms like the stormform which clearly do just that. Just in the same way that making Kandra with spikes is still clearly Hemalurgy, even if the outcome is not as easily controlled by Ruin as other races created with Hemalurgy. Having something clearly magical happen, such as changing your body as you wish, and having it not be tied to a shard or magic system in any way would be a first for brandon.

Yeah it's probably just a thing with "dead" shardplate. For one we allready know that the natural blade is pretty different form the dead ones, for one not requiring any time to be summoned and additionally having the ability to take forms other than a sword. We allready know that natural plate is also different, because it glows for one and because it's also capable of being summoned (Dalinar sees Radiants with and without helmets without seeing them actually taking them of or on.)