Got more time to do stuff. Woop.
Yafeshan:
Main thing that pops out to me here is when he said that he would think that a PM starter was a Noble. Either he misunderstood why everyone thought a Spanreed holder could be a GB or he was trying to get people to think that they wouldn't be, so his fellow GB could start a PM. One option makes me think he is town, the other GB.
Another thing is his vote on Lopen, which mainly seemed to be throwing mistrust on Lopen for some reason. Again, this is something that could be seen as something that a GB would do, as if they know Lopen is good then they might want to make it less likely that he is trusted.
Oh, and while I think of it, his suggestion that people were killing for items could quite easily be used for an excuse for if he got a Kill role and started killing people (which was possible at the time because of Orlok). Obviously this doesn't account for if he is town, but eh.
The Only Joe:
Due to his multiple posts in multiple posts, I may have missed some posts. I don’t think I did, but I apologise if I did.
Out of the three in this post, he has posted the most.
First off, his suspicion against TSM seemed quite bloodthirsty to me, as if he was quite happy to jump on someone for being the second vote. I mean, he could have explained without voting for him. Add on that he didn't retract the vote but stayed suspicious of TSM seems like a useful thing for an eliminator, what with not having to explain a second vote or anything.
The whole spanreed situation is something I'm not going to go into, because I don't fully understand it either and don't want to misunderstand something.
His question about why he is being seen as evil is okay with me, as I know that I'd do it, if I was town or GB.
The most interesting thing though is his vote on Lopen, and his linking of a previous game. This is because of how he used it to explain his vote, and also used it to show how he is innocent. But, thankfully I specced the first few days of the Mafia Championships, and because someone linked a previous game there, people in the doc naturally discussed it. So I have an opinion of it as soon as I see it, and one based on the context
Linking Past Games in General: Linking a past game is something that I see as something that an eliminator is more inclined to think of doing rather than a townie. As when you are a townie, your main goal is convincing other people that you are while you know that you are, so all your posts should have no second meanings or anything that could mean you are evil, but should all be able to be used to prove your innocence, while still feeling natural. Yes, this is the main goal of the eliminators as well, but they are more likely to look for a game where they were innocent and link that as the posts in that game would be more genuine rather than the posts they make while being evil.
With Context: Sadly for Joe, I still think my main point about how eliminators are more likely to do it is true. Only instead of linking games where he was good, he's linked one where he is evil, to make the posts in this game more genuine. The main thing about the context is how he also used it to throw suspicion on Lopen. Something that I feel both Yafe and Joe have in common. So if one turns out to be evil, then I'll be looking at the other.
Oh, and also he says he'll be more thorough and come back to the thread about if he actually thinks that Lopen is evil, and then says that after thinking about it he doesn't feel so. The main thing here is that I would have liked to see Joe write a post that is more in detail anyway, as it's quite easy to say 'I searched through all his posts and he looks good to me' when you are evil as you don't really have to look. So yeah, I understand if you don't have time for posts like that but they would still be appreciated (coming from me I know haha)
Twei:
Unlike Yafe and Joe's votes on Lopen, I'm okay with the one done by Twei. It was retracted with a reason and was voted with a reason.
The vote on Strawman is also pretty valid in my eyes, as changing the content of posts is a big no-no. And there's nothing like the threat of death.
Suggestions about Artifabs is pretty useful for any artifabs that weren't really thinking about it, but I think it is also something that could have easily been used by Orlok had he not been killed early. But seeing as it wouldn't be that hard for the eliminators to think of it I'll take the viewpoint that Twei was just trying to help people.
Twei talking about Araris' post about LUNA and Kynedath makes me trust them more, as it shows to me that they've done research on it (most people only talked about Araris talking about LUNA, while Twei also mentioned Kynedath) (or at least I think that)
Twei asking Elbereth if they have the same Spanreed contact is interesting, as it's something that I don't think an eliminator would do, what with being able to trust the townies straight away, this kind of checking is quite risky for everyone involved so again I'll put a point in Twei's innocent box.
Won't talk about the Wilson/DC thing. Honestly just think it's a massive pile of 'he said she said' that the eliminators may have used to distract everyone. (Anyone wanna look at who talked about it the most?)
So yeah, end of post. It's the night, so I can't vote. I can ask for protection though
