Kipper

12 minutes ago, little wilson said:

You honestly think an intelligent Dula is going to be contacting people they haven't scanned to let them know their role? No. They're not. That's not to say that someone other than me doesn't know their identity. One other person does (because both the Dula and I have a very strong village read on said person).

Now, you can be skeptical all you want, and try to cast doubt on my being scanned, but no matter what you say, you're not going to get the Dula to contact you to tell you that they scanned me.

Also, the Dula scanned Magestar during the night. He came up as not an eliminator.

I have no desire for the Dula to contact me, and I didn't express one, so don't misinterpret me. I'm only saying that so far, all we have is one person (you) saying that you've been Scanned. 

The language you're using makes it sound like we have good reason to believe you on this...which we don't. As I said above, when it's just one person claiming to be Scanned, without any other public references, there is no incentive to believe them. No one can confirm or refute your story right now.

@Elenion: Based on the role claims I've gotten, Mailliw's list is almost completely false. \o/

14 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

I'm willing to team up with anyone! Go Team Scott!

I kinda would be okay with a Day 1 lynch on Alvron. Mostly I'm just hesitant because of our Ghostblood/eliminator ties. But he's killed me a couple times lately, so, eh, not particularly loyal to him at this point.  Alvron

Whoops, forgot to read page 2 before I started this post. Ah well.

R.I.P. 
Some people just want to be attacked. I got your back, Alv.

@Ecthelion III, Meta did not misrepresent. He rightly pointed out that you would have a lot of motivation to keep the people in your non-aggression pact alive until the pact breaks apart. Not so much a voting block as a defensive block to counteract votes on the members of the pact. I believe you're the one intentionally misrepresenting Meta.

Has anyone been contacted directly by the Dula that supposedly scanned Wilson, or are we just taking her word for it?

8 minutes ago, Emerald101 said:

Any nominations for Chay-shan targets? I for one nominate Stink, and here's why. There are three possible outcomes if we kill him: 1) He's telling the truth, and is neutral. In this case we lose nothing, because he hasn't really been doing anything for us, and has no incentive to do so. 2) He's a villager masquerading as neutral. Frankly, this doesn't seem likely to me, because a villager gains almost nothing from claiming neutral. 3) He's an eliminator masquerading as neutral. If he's using neutral as a cover, then perfect: we've found and killed an eliminator. Low risk, high potential for reward.

Yes Stink, I know I might be intentionally denying you your win con. You knew that was a risk when you publicly claimed neutral.

Thoughts?

Town members like this are why I always wait a little longer to out myself as a Survivor when I play ToS or other games. Sure, he might be an Eliminator masquerading as a Survivor. Maybe he's a Neutral Evil. So the storms what? Why ruin someone's declared win condition when it's maybe 75% that they're telling the truth, and just want to survive? Take the risk and let him have some fun.

Well, I for one will attack the last person who votes for Alvron, whoever that person may be. If retractions are made, then I won't count your vote in the chronological order.

Uhh Orlok. Hi.

I'm curious why Elenion says that the bolded list is accurate, because I have definitely not claimed to him. 

Also, I claimed something completely different to Mailliw, but I understand why he put me on his list as he did.

@little wilson: I know exactly what you think, thanks to Mailliw, who told me pretty much the contents of your last message in our PM. I don't really care.

I'll sign up as Kipper.

@OrlokTsubodai I mentioned a reason yesterday to vote for Emerald, namely that Emerald hopped on a bandwagon in a way that made it look like they were, in a sense, searching for a valid reason to join said bandwagon, so they could use it as a defense later.

I believe Wilson also mentioned a reason or two in her long post, so go back and read that from D1 for more.

I....really don't think Mailliw is a Jester, so my ceremonial vote goes to him. 

@Mailliw73, you so thoroughly trolled me and sucked me dry of info in my first game that all I wanted was to learn how to do that. And now you've helped me do that. The circle is complete. I am the Master now. I'll miss our little talks and you.

3 minutes ago, Ecthelion III said:

Where does Straw stand? Should we lynch him again or assume he's a retired pirate and move on to someone else?

I don't really understand why he got a lynch train anyway. There's really no reason to lynch him again.

I'm fine with shortening the day.

3 minutes ago, Mailliw73 said:

I don't think I've ever seen anyone use the wrong term for the eliminator team and I've played every game but one. Occasionally, they'll slip and flip the village and eliminator team, such as when the skaa are eliminators and Inquisitors are village, but that's it. 

It did happen once that I recall. Somebody used a term wrong (I'm describing badly; but quite similar to this instance) and got lynched for it. They turned out to be good in the end. Maybe it was @The Young Bard?

Oh please. Off-topic discussions like these are how we get reads, and delightful comments like "they're just trying to hide that they're talking in a doc right now." Why are you so scared of off-topic discussions? Do you have vital game-related information to say? If so, then say it.

See @STINK, this is what happens when people who are unskilled in The Bants try to come between us. They end up having to explain their comebacks, which absoutely...stinks.

6 minutes ago, Magestar said:

This is a game set on Sel.  I assumed YOU had made a mistake, and were referring to Elims in general.  This would not be the first time I saw that happen.  So, if you are inferring that my response to that post meant anything, you are wrong.  Unless you are inferring it was just a filler post, and a get-back post at Kipper and Stink.

I was about to say "only Eliminators talk about inferences," but then I got distracted by

5 minutes ago, Mailliw73 said:

This isn't the first time you've seen it happen? Please, tell me when someone else did it, I'd love to see it. 

...Mailliw being a living Willy Wonka meme. Seriously if you spell Mailliw73 backwards, you get "Willy Wonka."

3 minutes ago, STINK said:

#deleteyourface

#deleteyourlife

Oh wait...you don't have one.

#boomroasted

Relax Emerald, we're buddies. This is just bants.

2 minutes ago, STINK said:

#haters #screwthehaters #taylorswift #singer #hashtag #master #kipper #justkipperthings #justSEthings #sanderson #elimination #justSTINKthings #stinkstop #wontstop #cantstop #1v1me #imthemaster #ofhashtags #justask #memum

Alright. See those absolutely sucked. Also #justkipperthings is my hashtag.

#deleteyouraccount

2 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Well... That's interesting.

There's too many hashtags in there. 

I'm the master of hashtags; don't hate.

In case you people want to know, Arraenae claims to be a Neutral Beggar. Do with that what you will.

#retaliation

#QuestionMarkTyranny

#RaeIsTooLiteral (<--way too literal)

#SheToldAGroupOfPeopleToKillMe

#ExceedingImpoliteness

1 minute ago, Arraenae said:

This is a lot of people following Lopen's vote on Straw. I assume they like his logic? <--WHY IS THIS HERE

@Straw, what do you say about Lopen's accusation?

When I read a message from you, I start hallucinating question marks.

#QuestionMarkTyranny
1 period = 1 prayer
 

There's still time to join the bandwagon on Elenion! No judgment, just love.

Just now, Elbereth said:

 I will note that I definitely will not be able to read twelve pages (seriously?) before D2 ends when I get back, so if anyone could summarize what happened and PM it to me that would be greatly appreciated. I'll log on once more, during the night, in case I have to send in actions (not sure yet since I haven't yet checked my PM). 

It's always an awkward moment when people make this request and everyone else just disappears.

*nopes out*

Young Bard, in case you actually go back and find a Stink Elim, I can just tell you based off my profiles that this is the first time he's acted out in this way. Completely different public playstyle. I don't think we should necessarily draw any conclusions from that, as people sometimes deliberately change. For example, I've become more of a lurker, and more aggressive over quite a few games recently.

Just now, STINK said:

Uh, a lame joke?

SAM-ITIZING HIS HANDS!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

3 minutes ago, Silverblade5 said:

Alvron

Tried to feed me bad info

Thank you everyone else. 

Smh Alvron, if you want better info to feed people in the future, just come to me. I have it all.

Ha, no problem Silverblade! It's my pleasure!

HEY STINK

WHAT DO YOU CALL IT WHEN SAM SMITH USES HAND WIPES?

3 hours ago, Mailliw73 said:

Ah okay, true. I'm just more vocal about it as I'm apparently the most known example of it. 

You're trying to tell me you never lie in role swapping?

Ah, what I should have said is that I never lie to people about how I'll use their information (unless I'm an Eliminator). I'm always completely honest with where my info will go and what I'll do with it.

2 hours ago, STINK said:

damnation this joke is too crude for SE. Kip can definitely guess what my response would be, and any other teenage boys in SE?

Is that a question or a comment?

2 hours ago, STINK said:

Mailliw is a bants machine, and this is like his last cycle

STINK is just the Archbishop of Banterbury, and his win condition means he can effectively ignore the game

Other peeps might join in on the bants, like Orlok the absolute ledge and stuff.

New title for Orlok: Orlok the Ledge. Also, Stink is really tickling my funny bone this cycle.

2 hours ago, Ecthelion III said:

Honestly, what is this bandwagon on Elenion about? I think Kipper is just salty about last game when Elenion got Kipper lynched (even though Kipper never posted a reason why not to).   Kipper, remember last game when you were suspicious of Elenion for using certain words like "us"? You can't instantly judge a new player as suspicious because of certain words. Also, the *groan* was in response to Stink's joke, which I thought was rather good.

Wilson explained below what some of my thoughts are on the bandwagon. Elenion is using the Gambler's Fallacy with almost every post, and it's very disconcerting. "Using every bit of power and influence" to cause havoc is a seriously irresponsible playstyle, especially when it seems to have no point. In re to the MR comments, I don't hold grudges. The only grudge I've ever held in these games was against @DeathClutch19 (still unsatisfied; plz play a game so I can kill u), and that was because of targeted and deliberate misinterpretation, not this wild flailing around in the MR and LG. And when I was lynched, I didn't give a reason "why not to" because there was none. The only argument against me was that I had been afk, and the only I could respond to that was with "I don't think an Eliminator would be this actively afk."

1 hour ago, Elenion said:

Welcome to the Everyone Suspects Elenion Game Show, which seems suspiciously like what happened to Village @The Young Bard in MR15. Bard, I'm having a little sympathy for you right now.

Okay, let's get down to business, and that business is this massive lynch train. Presenting:

Elenion's Conspiracy Theory: LG24 #1: The Great Lynch Train

Sequence of Events:

1. Len (me) bandwagon-pokes on STINK, a strategy that I have used before, but that apparently still panics people.
2. @Kipper drops a vote on me for unspecified reasons other than what I said. Funny, considering he spent all of MR15 doing the same, and I was village.

 

1. Trust me, no one is panicking.
2. Except for MR15 really has no relevance to this game. This is called the Gambler's Fallacy.

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Possible motivations for each:

1. Kipper's vote does appear to be retribution for MR15 D5 lynch, but I might be wrong on that point
2. Emerald drops an overreaction vote. Seems logical for someone who doesn't know me.
3. Lopen's vote is the strangest for him, although it seems like something I might try myself. Why help an established bandwagon with little evidence?

1. Yes, you're wrong.
2. Okay, this is more of a meta-comment, but just because someone "doesn't know you" doesn't mean that they can't suspect you. And Stormfather, you take condescending dismissal to a whole new level.
3. Good question, coming from a person who has expressed delight in causing havoc and confusion. Why? Well, because it's a D1 lynch, and already people are talking, and we're getting more reads based off of who does what.

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The Elenion Counter-Plan

1. I stick with what I said. Yes, I am aggressive. Yes, I bandwagon. No, that doesn't mean I'm an elim. Yes, feel free to gather more evidence.
2. I call for solid evidence to be presented against me. No more gut reads, no more bandwagons for the sake of the wagon.
3. I am willing (and always ready) to roleclaim and prove such. However, I would not like to (for obvious reasons) unless absolutely necessary. I will admit that I have already role-claimed in one PM, although I'd prefer the player in question to hold that information back.
4. I call for no counter-wagon as of yet, because I want an educated lynch. I'm all for causing fear with votes, but the final consensus should always be educated.

1. Alright. Will do.
2. There is no solid evidence. But then, how many times do we lynch someone on confirmed, *hard* evidence? Rarely; very rarely. Gut is a huge part of this game, and a huge part of internal physiology. Respect it as such.
3. You didn't roleclaim to me. Why not? How will you prove your role? When will you claim your role if you want to get out of this bandwagon?
4. My heart is at rest.

1 hour ago, STINK said:

Someone's asking questions in an elim doc

I imagine someone is.

1 hour ago, Silverblade5 said:

Hi everyone. I've been without internet for hours, and I'm still catching up on the thread. Did I miss anything important?

Go and upvote most of Stink's posts and you'll be good.

22 minutes ago, little wilson said:

Moving on to Elenion himself. I don't particularly find anything suspicious with the bandwagon vote. For me, it's the comments that Kipper pointed out about how he's never been an eliminator and all the other joking he did about alignments. I can absolutely see why someone would get an eliminator read from that, Kipper in particular. I'm not at all surprised that Kipper voted for Elenion based on those comments. It reads like a first-time eliminator trying to get people not to look at him because "I've never been an eliminator! I couldn't be an eliminator now!" Nope, sorry, you could.

Post-"defense" the only vote that strikes me as even possibly off is Lopen's, but I'm not even sure about that. Kipper had mentioned a bandwagon, other people had also mentioned it, and Lopen threw his vote onto it. To my recollection (though I could be wrong about this), Lopen isn't opposed to supported bandwagons unlike some players, so him contributing to it doesn't really mean much. I'd bet that he also found Elenion suspicious and didn't care to elaborate because so many others had already said basically the same thing. Or maybe he did it as a joke, knowing that there's still over 24 hours left in the turn, which is plenty of time to retract a vote. Because of this, I don't really mind Lopen's vote.

One internal test that I always stress with myself is looking at both sides of motivations for a particular statement.

Ex1: "Lol village again"
Villager: "Lol village again."
Eliminator: If I say "lol village again," maybe they'll buy it and just think I was a careless villager.
Conclusion: It's pretty much impossible to determine whether the person who said this is an Eliminator or Villager, because they both have valid reasons for saying it. Don't focus too much on it, because you'll just out-wifom your own brain and likely come to a faulty conclusion.

Feel free to use this test on Elenion.  Ask yourself if a villager would have the motivation to make a wifom in certain cases.

Also, @little wilson, I find Emerald's vote actually more suspicious than Lopen's. Almost like Emerald was grasping for a valid reason to vote Elenion, so he could use it as a defense later on if necessary.