Orlok Tsubodai
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My current view is that DA and Seonid are evil. I don’t think my case against Lemonelon was unreasonable, and I don’t think anything she said was sufficient for me to change my mind on the lynch. Her responses were flippant and unhelpful, and she made no real effort to defend herself, which I read as an eliminator not wishing to give up information. Frankly, I don’t see how Seonid’s actions can be anything other than an evil player trying to control the lynch, now. I’d like him to explain why he thinks I’d have swung the Day 6 lynch from Lemon to Rae, when Lemon led the lynch, and Rae still had an atium bead, with the following post, were I evil. Given my earlier suspicion of Lemon, I’d also like Seonid and Darkness to explain why they think it was anything other than a mislynch, and I’d like Darkness to explain why he voted with me, if he had such “misgivings”. I’m also slightly surprised, Darkness, that you claim knowledge of the manipulation when I gave absolutely none to the thread. How do you know what I was referring to? Seonid.
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Right. I was not expecting that. My answer is that I was manipulated in a circumstance where I was not expecting to be manipulated, and am deeply unhappy with the perpetrator of said manipulation, but will not say any more out of respect for those concerned. Edit: Frankly, I think Seonid is evil, given his tunneling on me.
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@Lemonelon, given you claim to be a villager shortly to be mislynched, what are your opinions on Seonid, Araris, DA, PK, Wilson, El and I?
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@Lemonelon, would you mind engaging with the points I made against you yesterday, rather than merely voting for me?
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The above voted on Lemon last time, or expressed a sentiment that they were prepared to vote on her. Thoughts on my post during the night turn?
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Lemonelon, naturally. I suspect it’s not coincidence that an individual prepared to vote on her was killed. @little wilson, @Aonar Faileas, @Elbereth, @Darkness_, care to join me?
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Mid-Range Game 25: Lowborn Intrigue
Orlok Tsubodai replied to TheMightyLopen's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Highly unlikely - inactivity tends to be reduced for eliminators, who tend to be more invested in the game, it being a novelty. I’m not on top of the game. I’ve been following it, but not thinking about it much, nor analysing it. At present, though, doing a total read through seems unfeasible given my current state, so I’m just going to throw myself back in, and see where that gets me. -
Why would it exonerate you in any way, Lemon? Indeed, I think it adds to the case against you. @Lemonelon, the two times you’ve properly engaged in the thread before being focused on, you were either agreeing with Rae, or complicit in her attempt to kill off Wilson, which I think is now, beyond all doubt, a concerted attempt by the eliminators to kill a villager, given the coordination between Rae, the seer, and an eliminator Soother. I’ve pointed out this post a number of times, Lemon, but that doesn’t undermine the fact that it does not appear remotely a village post. Here, Lemon decided to accuse me for naming suspicions in thread, and in the following post, decides to say that as a villager, I shouldn’t be allowed to post suspicions. Here, we see that her switching to Rae was not an attempt to lynch her, but merely self preservation, and, I’d argue, made in the knowledge that Rae had an atium bead to keep her alive. Here, you further refuse to be helpful, and, indeed, state you’re only voting for Rae to even the votes out, whilst also said that you’re listening to me, which is deeply incongruous with your later vote on me. This has been pointed out, but is there any reason for your previous games to influence your likelihood of being evil in this game? @Lemonelon, why did you think I was evil, and why did you conveniently switch from Rae when the votes began to mount on her? This is Rae’s last post before she was revealed to be evil, surviving the lynch rather than being a soother. This reads as remarkably obvious distancing, rather than trying to lynch village!Lemon.
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No one scanned you as an eliminator. Lemon. You were scanned as non-allomantic, which played into the theory that you had been the Seer, and were now out of atium.
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Locke grabbed Armina’s arm as she left, and pulled her back into the room. “You would accuse me of immorality?” His expression turned to one of contempt. “The Final Empire has stood for a thousand years, safeguarding civilisation. Yes, I seek leadership. I seek leadership to guide her through the coming storm. To build on my ancestors’ successes, and raise her to yet greater heights.” Walking back over to Armina, his voice started to grow pained. “You’d throw all this away, for what? Personal gain? Some barbaric ‘principle’? I suppose we must appreciate the opportunity you’ve provided us to cleanse our bloodline of your corruption, Handler.” @Arraenae
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Locke’s scowl quickly changed into a smile. “It can’t be easy, Armina.” He walked towards her, now, ignoring the rubbish on the floor. “Growing up in a lesser family, failing, over and over again, to make something of yourself.” Walking towards the window, Locke continued, “In many ways, I admire your tenacity. Carrying on, fighting this uphill struggle. It’s a shame you broke, and for what? Skaa? Atium?” Locke laughed, but his voice became solemn. “I could have made something of you, Armina. Given you a place in my Ministry, helped raise you up. There’s still time, Armina. Renounce this treason, give up your compatriots, and you can get out of here alive.” Locke caught himself. Armina had a habit of a hot temper, and he’d more likely find a windspren in Luthadel than watch her change her mind. Not that it would do her much good. Locke grinned, content in the knowledge that she'd hang before the day was out. @Arraenae, as promised. Whilst I'm here, Rae.
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Mid-Range Game 25: Lowborn Intrigue
Orlok Tsubodai replied to TheMightyLopen's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I’m exhausted, and whilst I’ve managed to stay on top of the Long Game, I haven’t managed to catch up here. -
By sacrificing both a teammate, and a late game conversion, Arinian? That makes very little sense. Whilst constant scrutiny can only be a good thing, at some point you should consider that your proposal is so unlikely that it makes no sense. The cost/benefit of bussing Rae is dramatically against it, and the situation that would have had to emerge for that to occur is remarkably convoluted.
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Something I am beginning to question. Whilst D5 can be interpreted as your protecting him, it could also be that you chose to kill Wilson over him, concerned about Wilson returning, or finding her an easier lynch than PK.
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@Arinian, if I were evil with Rae, why would I have 1) lynched her instead of Lemon last cycle, 2) Enforced a tie between Wilson and Rae, rather than working with Rae to kill PK, and 3) Pointed out her actions on D5 constituted an attack on Wilson? As I said yesterday, I supported a lynch on Lemon over Rae because I didn’t believe Rae to be the Seer (thinking that she was instead the Soother), and because I believed Rae to be confirmed evil, with a lynch of Soother!Rae not giving us any information. The fact that I swung onto Rae, and brought her vote count from 1 to 6, asking Wilson, Sony, and El to vote on her with us, at the cost of an atium bead to her, ought to be further demonstration that Rae and I are not on the same team.
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Sure. Rae: DA, Orlok, Arinian, Sony, Wilson (5) Orlok: Lemonelon (1) Arinian: Araris (1)
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Very well. Lemon, Rae. I certainly don't think Lemon's actions are NAI, and will almost certainly return to voting on her next cycle, but would rather see Rae lynched than myself. @little wilson, @Sony, in the interests of avoiding spreading out votes, would either of you care to join a lynch on Rae?
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@Arinian, her voting habits, her refusal to commit to opinions in thread, her cooperation with Rae in the early game, supported by the circumstantial evidence of her now being roleless, and her responses today, which come across as flippant and unhelpful, lead me to believe that Lemonelon is evil. I don’t think we’re approaching Lynch or Lose, and so can afford a marginally less certain lynch in return for significantly greater information. @Arinian, for that matter, what’s your opinion on Rae? Do you disagree with my assessment of her actions last day cycle? If so, why?
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I’d happily vote for Rae this cycle, but don’t think her lynch will provide a great deal of information. I’m convinced of her guilt as is, given her actions last day cycle involving working to get an obvious villager lynched whilst falsely claiming self preservation. I believe Lemonelon to be the Seer, but think that her guilt is less certain than Rae’s. As such, Lemonelon’s lynch is far more useful than Rae’s, letting us make more certain conclusions about those who have sought to avert it this cycle, namely Arinian.
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Mid-Range Game 25: Lowborn Intrigue
Orlok Tsubodai replied to TheMightyLopen's topic in Sanderson Elimination
I agree with Straw, here. Walin’s actions, whilst potentially useful in hindsight, certainly appeared suspicious last cycle, and I don’t think we can draw all that much from those who voted on him. -
You vote from self preservation, rather than any belief in Rae being evil?
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Last time I were evil, Lemon, I mimicked being a village player. Is your argument that I ought never to express a suspicion, given it’s what I do when I’m evil?
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@Lemonelon, I do, certainly, think Rae is evil, but also think you happen to be evil. Given this, I think I’m within my rights to vote for you. Would you explain why writing our suspicions is the “sort of thing an eliminator would do”, Lemon?
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Despite my interactions with Rae last cycle, I think that I shall begin this cycle by voting on Lemonelon. These are Lemonelon's posts throughout the game: I don't think this post is all that alignment indicative. Whilst it reduces information on her views, no lynch was a common vote at this point of the game. NAI - RP. Lemonelon here refers to the absence of an N1 kill, as I recall. This post feels slightly suspicious to me, though, both in that it states the obvious, and thereby avoids the necessity for any alignment indicative information to be given, and due to her absence of engagement in discussion, again avoiding giving alignment indicative information. This reads very "off" to me. There's a not-quite-apology for not providing suspicions, and another statement of the situation. I don't normally like using gut read, but the read I get from this is that the kill was placed deliberately to put suspicion on Straw, rather than anything else. This feels like a Parthian shot of an attempt to cast suspicion on Straw (and get something out of the kill). This is not a terribly sensible action for a villager to take - it's an excuse for voting, rather than actually placing thoughts in thread. NAI I pointed out that I find this suspicious in the last day cycle, given it leads to lynches that provide no information, and lets the eliminators pick off the active players. I further think that Lemonelon's cooperative action with Rae early in the game is suspicious, believing Rae to be evil as I do, and think that the recent scan of her as non-allomantic is circumstantial evidence of her being the Seer.
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Mid-Range Game 25: Lowborn Intrigue
Orlok Tsubodai replied to TheMightyLopen's topic in Sanderson Elimination
Personally, I think a WGG highly unlikely in a game with living scanners, who, at this stage in the game are unlikely to be corrupted. The risk/reward of trusting Jondesu is such that scanners will want to look at him - the alternative being letting a player escape all scrutiny throughout the game. As such, I do think Jondesu is highly likely to be village. I'm afraid my focus has been on the Long Game, but do intend to get back on top of this game tomorrow.
