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Would that mean that Vorinism was originally a Parshman religion?

Actually, I had a dream about the origin of the unmade. Now, in my waking thoughts I'm not sure if it really makes sense with what we know, but you bringing up the Ringewraithes is actually another parallel with my dreamt theory. See, my mind was trying to figure "why nine?" Remember Dalinar only counted nine Radiants (or something?, I forget exactly). Also nine Unmade. The dream theory was this. The Unmade are former Radiants, and one of them didn't become Unmade, and still holds their Radiance, as it were (if there can only be ten?). Thus explaining nine, not ten, Unmade, and Dalinar's count of nine (Seven Radiants plus two more the Stormfather pointed out). Trying to find that passage, I found that Kaladin counted nine Herald statues in Kholinar. Like i said, not sure if it makes sense with what we know, but I thought it interesting when compared to Ring Wraithes.

Would certainly be an interesting source material for this blade.

Would it stand to reason that Kelsier learned how these new faceless immortals occupy a body and that's how he gained a new one? Either way, I'm getting the feeling that Kel is one of the grander characters of this whole thing. I'm thinking Kel and Hoid will be facing each other in the end. I want to say that he's using his unique existence to learn of all the cosmere and working with Harmony to position Scadrial as the top player in the main stage. I mean, so far has any other character shown they have what it takes to match Hoid in a battle of wits and cunning? Or maybe they work together? I dunno, I think there's a debate as to whether we trust Hoid as good or bad. Do my thoughts even belong here? I dunno, but this is the thread that made me think of it.

Found this while reading through a q&a (I've never seen those, so lots of catching up). Thought it might have some relevance here. DARXBANE (17 OCTOBER 2008) The note to Spook states that Sazed hasn't yet figured out how to put souls back into bodies. Is he going to learn that skill eventually (I'm expecting a RAFO here, but I figured I'd ask anyway)? BRANDON SANDERSON (17 OCTOBER 2008) RAFO. (Sorry, but this is plot sensitive for a future series.) http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=727#24

Perhaps there's some kind of cognitive realm defense on Threnody. Like, you come here in the cognitive realm and you go mindless, say, to prevent travelers like the Drifter in Secret History.

Some say that you make your own fortunes in life. It could perhaps be a trait.

watching Tarzan last night (Disney version) and at the end the wife is all "See? See how she holds him, then tucks her head into him as they're swinging through the trees? That's hot and still G! They don't get enough credit as one of the hottest Disney couples."

Where? I've been trying to find it, but can't find anything actually in the narrative and not just alluded to.

My wife was very amused by the username comment, she actually lolled. But Yado, very well said, much better job of it than I was doing. As I said earlier, I honestly never even noticed this lack, so I guess that makes me the target audience. But that's one of the things that comes from a good marriage/relationship, your significant other opens you up to new things, makes you notice things you never would have otherwise.

I don't completely agree with comparison between books and film is apples and oranges. Yes, there are fundamental differences in story telling, but an author can describe a scene and action in ways film can't, and vice versa. But that doesn't mean you can't do very similar scenes. Like take the above Belle and Beast example. It could be something as simple as.... "Its for you to remember me by" said the Beast, as he put his hand up to Belle's hair. He slowly let Belle's hair slip out of his hand, strand by strand, watching as her hair settled back onto her shoulders. You could go on a bit, like when Belle touches his face and you can see her fingers dig a bit into his fur. Such physical interactions help us to know the emotional state of the characters. So, we don't need sex, per se, but at least a little more sensual interaction, and as per the Disney example, it can still be G rated.

Hi this is 'The Wife' lol. What I'm missing from Sanderson is the sensuality that helps show/tell what the characters are feeling. I'll stick with Warbreaker's Siri and Suezabron here with comparison to Disney films. Siri & Suze are as romantic as Belle and Beast or Ariel and Eric, but Disney showed more sensuality than Sanderson did. Think of Ariel when she falls into Eric’s arms when they first meet. The look she gives him is total lady boner look, she plays with the back of his neck running her fingertips into his hair and grips and kneads his shirt that she's holding onto. Its totally hot and very PG. Same for when Belle and Beast are on the patio after dancing. When Beast says she'll 'have something to remember him by' and he runs his paw/fingers through her hair and watches it, is very sensual. It shows how much the Beast longs to touch her and wants her with just a small movement. A book has even more leeway. The scene when Suzeabron kisses Siri before the fade to black is just described as 'he kissed her'. That's about it. It doesn't show us what Suze is feeling, even a little bit, and it easily could. Is he kissing her eagerly but clumsily? Or is he innately good at it and kissing her gently and well, or trembling and timid? Is his eagerness awaking Siri's own passion, or is her greater command of knowledge leading her to be more aggressive with him than she'd ever been before? There are many, many books with romance where all the leads do is kiss, but physical descriptions help show the emotional state of the characters. The writer (Sanderson) is trying to convince us (the reader) that these two are in big time love. A good writer shows us, not tells us. He did a good job with the build up but failed to carry through. And things like physical descriptions of her taking a bath are unnecessary. It doesn't show the emotional state between the characters.

I won't get into Twilight, haven't read it, but I imagine they at least kiss in it. Well, she says she doesn't need sex, at least get to a kiss before fade to black. Come to think of it, I can't recall anyone even so much as holding hands in any of sanderson's books. I don't think Kai had yet touched Sophie in Perfect State before something happened, and that's the most overtly sensual scene I can think of in any of his work. I suppose lack of romance isn't quite the word I should have used, but yes, some sensuality seems to be missing.

touche, and true. The point being, could you imagine the rabid fandom if twilight was actually a good story? Funny story. I got home from work one time and the wife starts dragging me to the bedroom. Later she told me that she'd been imagining Siri and Susebron after the fade to black and gotten herself all worked up. Apparently their relationship pushes all of her fantasy buttons.

Yea, I understand that, and I honestly never even noticed until my wife brought it up. I brought up the wider audience thing, and her point was that many YA novels, even Twilight, go further.

I, or rather, my wife, was wondering if anyone knows of any Warbreaker fan fiction. My wife likes her sexy time books, and I can take it or leave it, but I can see her point that at least learning more about how people desire each other gives us a bit more insight into their relationship. My wife says she's tempted to write some fan fiction herself regarding Siri and Susebron. My wife was really into Siri and Susebron, their relationship pushed all her buttons and was mad about the fade to black moment, and now I'm having a really hard time getting her to read any more of Sanderson's work. She agrees that Sanderson's stories are amazing, but she gets frustrated at the lack of romantic relationships, and the physicality that comes with it. She's not saying that she needs him to go Outlander with it, but she wants to know how they felt when they touched each other, what we're they thinking when they kissed, etc. So she liked Pefect State in that it went a little further into that, not much mind you, but further than before. That Kai noticed their heat mingling in the cold rain.

As brief as it was, my wife is happy to see Sanderson put in a bit more sexuality than "she smiled and dropped her shift" fade to black. I, personally, don't really mind either way, but I can see her point that at least learning more about how people desire each other gives us a bit more insight into their relationship. She was really into Siri and Susebron, but was mad about the fade to black moment, and now I'm having a really hard time getting her to read any more of Sanderson's work. She agrees that the stories are amazing, but she gets frustrated at the lack of romantic relationships, and the physicality that comes with it. She's not saying that she needs him to go Outlander with it, but she wants to know how they felt when they touched each other, what we're they thinking when they kissed, etc. So she liked this story in that it went a little further into that, not much mind you, but further than before. That Kai noticed their heat mingling in the cold rain. As for Sophie, I'm half thinking that her programming, i.e. history and personality, was copied from Melhi. Granted Melhi is a gifted hacker, but that doesn't necessarily translate to creating a 3 dimensional character or AI. So either Sophie was a copy, or perhaps, and more feasible, an avatar. I wouldn't be surprised to see that Melhi actually started to fall for Kai, assuming the avatar theory, but after a decades long grudge wasn't going to let it go after just a short time of getting to know him.

I'm with the camp that believes he does indeed have powers. The raging, as it were, of other epics can also be seen as a learning period. Without the raging he hasn't had the opportunity to see exactly what he can do. I've been trying to think of something "thematically appropriate" and what I quoted above gives be another idea besides the ones I've thought of. Maybe he's like a Bard, a la FFXI, in that he inspires others to enhance their abilities.I've also been thinking, maybe, once he's learned a weakness, he can manifest it when faced with that epic. Or maybe, and this is a bit Mary Sue, but maybe he's gains the powers of epics he kills. Now that I think about it, I'm leaning towards the Bard theory, add that would give him abilities without really being an epic, kinda. I've noticed a theme of characters that are really interested in those with powers, but aren't among them, but can still somehow help them. ie, Rithmatist. *edit The problem with the theory that David's biggest fear is becoming an epic and thusly negates his power is that he didn't rage, he was able to suppress it. The question is, can a weakness nullify even a raging epic?