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DreamEternal, Based on the excerpt and what happens to me it makes more sense that she was laying there getting stabbed and pretending to be dead. I assume after the killers left she went to Shadesmar. At least that was how I viewed it.

Fair enough, but keep in mind the vast majority would also not be getting Honor Spren Hypothetically anyway. Everyone has 20/20 hindsight, but we just don't have that kind of foresight to predict the outcome of peoples lives. Just because a bunch of people think it is ok to kill someone because of actions they may or may not do does not make it right. I did miss your point. It does make sense it just seems very cold hearted I guess, and it is something I personally would find as a bad thing. Just started Warbreaker so I know almost nothing of Vasher. I don't really believe the ends justify the means, so it both cases I would say yes they were bad people regardless of reasons. Murder is bad, killing is not necessarily bad but can be. I know a little of it and I know why he killed her, it still doesn't make it right to me. Vasher as you attest spends the rest of the time making up for his mistakes, Amaram does not from what I can see. I agree. Unless you were the one killed, than that perspective might be different. But I understand the premise of making up for the things you do. Not sure on Vasher yet. Vin, I agree what she did was wrong and I actually thought at the time elend should at least stop seeing her. She did at least grow from the experience but she was not attacking an ally but an enemy. She also regretted it and used it for a basis to not do such things again. I disagree with her methods and I would have been against it. The enemy king was that Jastesse or something like that, the man who let lose a kohloss army on multiple cities? No I was fine with that action, he had killed many people for personal gain and Elend did not kill him before he did that but after, unless I am missing the correct person. Perin also stood and defended what he did and even was willing to accept execution for it, so again I would view that as trying to do the right thing and willing to pay for his actions if it came to that. Amaram I would still be sketchy on. Amaram killed 4 innocents soldiers of his to cover up the insane guy making a crazy choice, that alone stops me. Elend did not hide what he did, and it was against a King who let loss kohloss and let them raise cities. Perin killed in the heat of an event he didn't understand and was effecting his feelings and acted in emotional pain against a group that had and would persecute him for what he was going through. Vin believed Cett had a mistborn or was a mistborn and was plotting against elend and made a bad choice to deal with him, a general who had an army outside the city and was willing to kill them for the city. None of the others killed their own allies or soldiers. They were all bad scenarios but I think if Amaram had of enslaved/imprisoned Kaladin and not killed the other soldiers I would be more inclined to agree that had he admitted it later on when proven wrong it would have been something to let go. The killing of his own soldiers pushes it to far for me, he may admit he made an error but he executed his own soldiers to hide something if that wasn't in play, than I could see it. Sorry for the original misunderstanding. I see where you are getting at, but like I said I am not an ends justifies the means kind of person. I did use Amaram as you described not as from the book. I bet you play a neutral character in Games like KoToR? I always push for the good side, but I like finding out how other people view things.

Yes, that is true. That could be viewed as crazy and that could have been his viewpoint, but we don't know yet. You seem to be suggesting that a man willing to kill 4 innocent man based on thinking a 5th man was crazy somehow has honor? I don't really understand what that means. He seems to only have "honor" when it helps him, not when it is the right thing to do. No one wants to die, and if you are willing to have "Honor" enough to kill 5 people for a sword and armour you should have enough "Honor" to not hide it this time around? He could have regained some of his pride, but his honor was already dead at this point. Question: a man abuses 15 children and admits his guilt in court is that actually showing honor or guilt? Would you be in favor of said child molester getting a reduced or "time served" sentence since he did the honorable thing and admitted his error? Maybe he was a relgious man and thought they had demons in them and that was the only way to save hundreds of other children? Just curious, I think many of us seem to have a different interpretation of honor than the others who are posting.