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Yeah, that was the chronology I used when I put together my theory. My point is that Warbreaker taking place chronologically after the Final Empire doesn't actually mean anything in a question of whether Awakeners or Mistborn came first. -
Decided to get my first fandom tattoo (all of my other previous ink has been related to my family and family history). Went for allomantic brass because I am very similar in temperment to Breeze (and also Sebarial, but that's a tattoo for down the road, maybe). I went for the Era 1 version of the symbol, since 1: That is when Breeze lived and 2: I miss the dot in the Era 2 version. Seriously, how come Brass is the only metal to lose the dot? So unfair. -
Is there a WoB that says that Mistborn are older than Awakeners? Here's what we know (as best as I can recall): 1 - The Final Empire is set "before" Warbreaker, but we don't know how much before. 2 - Although Preservation and Ruin settled on Scadrial, and Feruchemy was around during Rashek's ascension, "Mistborn," at least the way we think of them now, didn't come about until after Rashek's ascension. He gave some of his trusted companions Lerasium and got the nobility started off with a bang. 3 - 300 years before the events of Warbreaker, Vasher, already Returned, travelled to Roshar, saw a Shardblade, and was all like "zomg I'm totally gonna do that." And then he did it. So here's the thing - we know so very little about Vasher/Zahel. We have no idea how long he was alive when we see him in Warbreaker. He doesn't age, and he doesn't, as a rule, talk about his past. When we see him in Warbreaker he could've already been Returned for ten thousand years. And we know even less [read:literally nothing except the fact that he was born on Nalthis] about his pre-Returned persona. I feel like unless there is a WoB saying explicitly that Mistborns predate Awakeners, there's not just not enough information about the chronology to make that call ourselves.
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Oh I'm not saying that an awakener would grab a Mistcloak and be like "hey! This is a super-useful garment!" (unless they have a ton of breaths stored). I'm positing that an Awakener worldhopper visited Scadrial back in the day and Scadrians were like "oh snap! I'm totally going to wear something similar to that super-cool Scholar person!"
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Honestly I'd be shocked if Kelsier doesn't have multiple ways to work around Harmony by now. And I guarantee you that the centuries he and Sazed have spent together have revealed some pretty huge ideological differences between them (especial since Harmony must, by his own nature, embody Ruin these days). Kelsier definitely is going to have an agenda that Harmony is not a fan of.
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I always tag stuff of interest as I do my first read-through of a Cosmere work (part of why I love my kindle is how easy it is to pull everything up in one place and do instant cross-referencing, something that has definitely helped me tease out some hints I would've missed otherwise.) Here's two paragraphs I tagged on my first read-through, before I read Secret History (before I even read the end of BoM): This jumped out at me on the first readthrough, and now it seems even more glaring considering what we now know about Kel's state as a voluntary cognitive shadow. Until now I've assumed that the Church of the Survivor was just a sort of Cosmeric joke on Kelsier, worshipping someone who would totes hate being worshiped. But now we see that the church actually got some facts about Kelsier shockingly correct. It makes me think (especially since we now have a WoB that he has a whole sequence of Secret Histories planned) that Kel is actually using his church as a tool. He is selecting his most dedicated followers, and having them survive the same way he did. He greets them as they enter Scadesmar (sorry, couldn't help it, but you know what I mean, Scadrial Cognitive Realm) and before they have a chance to move on, he gives them a chance to Survive - survive the same way he did. It seems likely he even has a way (or at least a plan) to reinhabit the physical realm someday. This also makes it suddenly make more sense - to me, at least - why Demoux, of all people, is (Way of Kings Spoilers) He was the ORIGINAL Survivorist. He was espousing Kelsier's ideals waaaay before it was cool. He makes perfect sense to be the first of Kelsier's followers to follow his example, even in death. So, my question is - why is the Survivor building an army of cognitive shadows? I don't know the answer, (I suspect we won't find out the answer until the sci-fi Mistborn series) but I do know that when the Ire thought there might be an army of cognitive shadows coming their way from Threnody, they kind of freaked out. And those cognitive shadows we're (as far as we know) united in purpose and following an incredibly charismatic and psychopathic leader. Just sayin'.
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Mistcloaks have always nagged at me a little bit. I assume that smarter folks than myself have pointed out the similarities between Mistcloaks and (spoilers for Warbreaker) Mistcloaks in general would make WAAAY more sense for an awakener than for an allomancer. In the back of my head, I've always kinda suspected that at some pre-final-empire point in the early Scadrian history, they had a nice visit from a Nathlian worldhopper (a Scholar, you ask? Seems plausible, I reply), and when the early Allomancers came into their Shardic investiture, they were like "Hey! I know what kind of clothes you're supposed to wear when you do magic!" while the Feruchemists just sort of rolled their eyes and kept on rockin' the V-robes. I've never really given it much thought beyond "oh, that sort of makes sense and would be cool," but in BoM, Marasi has a reeeeeeeally interesting thought. When they're on the stagecoach escaping New Seran, Marasi pulls out the little box and finds a switch. She has a whole internal monolog about how you don't expect an ancient mysterious magical device to have an on switch. Then she and Wax and Steris talk about for a minute after she tries to kill the horses with cadmium. While she's looking at it, she thinks to herself (bold added by me for emphasis): Steris then refers to it as an "eldritch device." I'm not saying this is conclusive, but the nomenclature there definitely feels like a hint pointing towards Nalthis, at least to me. What do you all think?
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I think it fits with the motifs he has been building towards. The perspective flip. Wayne, through the lenses of Kelsier, is a straight-up evil villain. He is a sleazy, creepy, crude man, who was allowed to get away with murder scott-free thanks to his nobleman crony and continues to get away with pretty much whatever he pleases. He even says to Marasi in Bands "Wax has a huge blind spot where I'm concerned." He is super-rich, practically nobility by wealth alone, but goes around pretending to be poor, "slumming it." Guarantee that the Survivor hates his rusting guts. Of course, none of that stops me from loving the hell out of him.
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I believe yes, this would be a Chinese version of the story. I that international film IP rights are usually done ala carte, though, so a Chinese studio producing Cosmere films should have an impact on Dragonsteel's ability to also sell them to an English market. Actually, if the Chinese version does will, it would probably IMPROVE those chances.
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I remember hearing a while back that a Chinese company had purchased film rights to The Emperor's Soul. I think I even remember Brandon saying something about how an executive from the company, DMG, went "all the way down the Cosmere rabbit hole." (although it might've been someone else saying that). Anyway, I stumbled across this today: http://jazzy-kandra.tumblr.com/post/138813373633/more-about-tes-film?utm_campaign=SharedPost&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=TumblriOS Is this legit? Has anyone else heard anything about this project? It seems like they are pretty far into the process for nobody to have heard ANYTHING yet...
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I've seen someone infer that the Parshendi rhythms come from Shadesmar. Do we know if there is a WoB to that effect? In addition, I'm wondering how much we as a community know about the internal physiology of a Parshendi. I feel like I read about some Alethi [secretly] dissecting fallen Parshendi, but it might have been just a "why don't they..." thought that I had while reading the books. I'm curious about their hearts, specifically. Do they have four-chambered hearts that beat in a similar way (one-two-break, one-two-break) to human hearts? I guess I'm curious specifically whether there is a physical realm aspect to their rhythm, or it is a purely cognitive thing they latch on to? I wonder what it would take for a non-parshendi other than their god to "hack" into their rhythms, bending them to their own purpose. Could this be where Parshmen came from? And if so, what other things could those same hacks be used to accomplish? I'm also very curious what the actual base rhythm they base all of their more complex rhythms around actually sounds like. Do we know if there is a WoB defining the actual rhythm itself, at all?
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I'll be there! As long as it doesn't get not-snowed-out again. Nice turn of phrase, that. I eventually went to the venue to pick up the book I ordered for the event last year, it was a cute little book shop. Emphasis on little. I've never been to a Philly event, but if Boston's Shadows of Self tour was any indication of turnout, you'll definitely want to arrive early if you want to be inside the store itself. Although it's also possible they have a back room or something like that I didn't see during my visit. I'll be up for hanging out afterwards, too, if Sharders are interested in going to a diner or bar. My brother is the bartender at a.bar in Rittenhouse Square, which is about a fifteen minute drive, so that's where I'll probably be going afterwards unless there are people that would rather do something right by the bookstore.
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Here's something that jumped out at me right away - the SoScad group called Hunters. Each child is given a mask, and then given another when they become an adult. Allik claims that the Hunters somehow grow into their masks. This immediately makes me think of Iyatil from the Ghostbloods. She is described as short, something the SoScads all seem to have in common (Shallan actually thinks she is a young boy when she first meets her, iirc) and she has a red-and-orange carapace mask that appears to have skin growing around it.
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Home Planet? (Secret History Spoilers)
AndrewStirlingMacDonald replied to Ryshadium's topic in Mistborn
I assumed it was just Ati saying "Wax" with a terrible Russian accent, as he is wont to do from time to time. -
That's a good point. And made further interesting by the cast number of possible combinations of twinborn. It's completely possible - likely, even - that there are combinations that have yet to ever be realized. Some of which could have VERY interesting "bonuses." Also makes it all the more impressive how many Twinborn Wax has killed. At least two that I can think of.
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Apologies. I had thought it would fly since Khriss' writings appear in all of the full novels (at least with the advent of the Elantris 10th anniversary edition). EDIT: to be clear, not being snarky here. Just wanted to explain that I did think it through, wasn't just accidentally messing up. I can definitely see how this could come across as too spoilery though.
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This makes me want Nalthis' cognitive realm to be only colors with no edges, like a comic with all of the coloring done but the inking removed.
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[Bands Spoilers] Definitely a member of this site
AndrewStirlingMacDonald posted a topic in Mistborn
Not Galladon and Demoux's 17th Shard, ours. Like, this website. As in, Wax is Brandon, the New Seran party was Every Book Signing Ever, and Khriss was me, and probably you, and a bunch of other 17thers. As soon as Khriss started walking away, I could sense a thousand 17thers crying out for her to come back and ask more pertinent questions about investiture. -
Between the general worry of those extremely old (or perhaps extremely new?) Elantrians and the second (as far as I know) on-screen appearance of Nazh, I feel like Threnody HAS gone ahead and officially joined the Main Stage of the Cosmere, despite the opinion of Alonoe (BTW, could you HAVE a more Aonic name, sule?). This is interesting for a lot of reasons to me, but the timeline is of particular interest, as we see that Nazh is certainly alive at the same time as the Shades. This would seem to me to indicate that Nazh is quite old at, probably from the Homeland days of Threnody. We know that Shadows for Silence only took place a couple of generations removed from the settling of the Forests, but it seems that there are enough Threnodite cognitive shadows that the Ire keeps forces patrolling the border, and carry a specific anti-Threnodite device with them on their trip. We also know that Nazh was around during the Shaod period of Elantris, which was set a long time before the events of The Final Empire. Does this seem correct to everyone else? And is everyone else as excited to see more Threnodites as I?
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Do you have a link to that WoB?
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[Secret History Spoiler] Implications about another world?
AndrewStirlingMacDonald replied to Mael's topic in Mistborn
The Ire certainly seems to go into full-alert mode at the thought of Therodenian Cognitive Shadows wanting to take their place on the mainstage, so formidable seems pretty likely. It seems likely that regardless of their Cognitive abilities, they have almost no control over the physical manifestations of themselves that remain. So it's possible that every time some fool fortfolk goes for a nighttime jog in the forests, there are a ton of fully functioning cognitive shadows all just screaming "No! What are you doing? Stop it!" and trying their very hardest to not go all red-eyed, but getting unwillfully sucked into it anyway. -
Yeah, I still haven't gotten mine yet, either. The Amazon page has updated to say "January 30th" now...
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I've grabbed four of the Nexo Knights sets - the two biggest ones and two smaller ones. I can confirm - these sets are basically shardbearers fighting Parshendi. They even have cute fat little Parshendi in Mateform. My mind is officially blown.
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I have it on [my own] authority that when the 1940's novel comes out, it's going to officially be "Mistborn era 1.5b"
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We also have barely scratched the surface of the spiritual realm. However, what we have seen strongly indicates that it interacts with the fourth dimension in a very different way than either the physical or cognitive realms do. Both Saze and Rashek are able to make massive changes happen instantaneously - in Sazed's case, all the way up to the point of writing basically a giant encyclopedia and dropping it off for Spook and the others to browse at their leisure, all in the blink of an eye. Two other things are more telling, however - first is a WOB I received in my signed copy of Alloy of Law - he said "The Cognitive realm is tied to location, the Spitiual realm is not. This impacts the magics..." This is interesting because location and time are, respectively, the third and fourth dimensions, and would practically be really difficult to separate from one another. If the Spiritual realm is not tied to location, it's pretty likely that it also is not tied to time. There is another big hint that the spiritual realm somehow exists outside of time - Lightsong's vision (and, presumably, the entire nature and purpose of Returned on Nalthis). Lightsong isn't shown a vague "maybe," or a Taravangian-style "Here are some extremely educated guesses about the future." He was shown a specific future, and the way he could intervene in that future to make it a better place. I'm not going to discount the reincarnation thing entirely, there are really compelling arguments here. But if it is NOT reincarnation, perhaps it could have something to do with the spiritual realm - I'm certain that there are rules (and probably even logistical issues) regarding interacting with your own physical/cognitive timeline once you become fully spiritually conscious. But maybe, just maybe, Vin subverts these rules and and restrictions somehow.
