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  1. On 1/25/2021 at 0:37 PM, mathiau said:

    Usually being an important word:)

    Wait, Neragoul cause emotional bliss? Seemed more like emotional chaos to me. Also Arshertmarn can also create illusion and more importantly the Diagram state all unmade can give some level of foresight, Moelach being the best at this.

    And Sja enlighten, she doesn't corrupt.

    Except he was wrong, Honour and Cultivation cares.

    Except we're talking about humans, we also need other things, connexion to others for exemple.

    Also you're talking about 6 and 4 but you had only shown the 6

    I don't know who said that but they obviously didn't watch the chart for long enough. Voids are Honour's surges but centrally symetric instead of vertically symetric, it's not always the left side that's flipped, for Adhesion the central symetry was done on the oposite side compared to the one the vertical symetry was done, for Division, Progression and Tension the center of symetry is inside the rightmost of leftmost bar and you need a bit more defformation for Gravitation, Abrasion and even more for Transformation.

    So I'm finding a 3-3-3-1 motif, you could argue that I'm separating a bit too much and it's actually a 7-3 or a 6-3-1 motif with the three being Gravitation, Abrasion and Transformation and the one being Adhesion.

    Also, about Adhesion being weird, I guess the Voids are the basis of lifes then we're assuming they only works for living things? The wierd flip could mean they only have Void sipritual Adhesion and not Void physical Adhesion? It'd mean corrupted windsprens cannot control wind which would be weird.

    Did you mean six and four? If not I'm having trouble following you.

    Welllllll, actually it's probably either a side effect more than Void or restricted to V-Truthwachers or V-Truthwachers and V-Boundsmiths. My argument for the first is that we've seen Renarin's power have malatium effects twice, when he used illumination on Moash at the begining of RoW but also when he healed Adolin's wrist at the begining of Oathbringer (the same scene he's shown to have made a blade) and I think we can agree there's no reason he'd be accidently using Illumination at that moment. Of course there's still the possiblity that future sight is an effect of Progression and his Malatium-light effect on Moash was actually a fusion V-Illumination and V-Progression

    My argument for Foresight being locked to certain orders comes for the chart, every orders except V-Truthwachers and V-Boundsmiths are linked to their surges with purple lines, these two are on a a rubis linked to surges by lightnings; this implies their voids works differently than with the other orders, like what happen with H-Boundsmiths. Also that chart kind of makes me think to an eyes of which the ruby would be the iris.

    Dakor is end-positive, did you mean Hemalurgy?

    In Renarin's hand.

    My thinking is that Renarin’s and other corrupted Radient’s future sight has less to do with Odium and more to do with the absence of Honor. Odium can see the future reasonably well and Cultivation is noted to be among the best at it; but Honor is one of the worst at it, and all spren are made up of some combination of Honor’s and Cultivation’s Investiture. The future sight is a thing more because Honor’s part of the spren, which would inhibit capabilities the spren and Surgebinder would otherwise have, has been changed or excised and replaced vs it be specifically because of Odium. We’ve only seen it with Truthwatcher spren because they’re particularly close to Cultivation because of Growth which combined with Illumination and Fortune lets them create understandible images of the information that can be interpreted.

  2. On 1/27/2021 at 10:57 PM, StanLemon said:

    I find it very unlikely that Roshar is going to attack Scadrial, at least any time soon. Roshar is too heavily divided and I find it unlikely that Taravangian is going to "win" enough to bring war to other planets in the near future. Also I think you might underestimate Scadrial's defensive potential. One of Kelsier's goals is the protection of Scadrial from Cosmere threats and he's had three centuries to plan and build defenses. Through Southern Scadrial he's effectively got access to nukes which would allow him to completely destroy Rosharan forces as they make their way towards Roshar. Radiant's wouldn't have a good source of Investiture, one (or two with Ishar's Blade) Bondsmith's able to open up a Perpendicularity aren't likely going to be enough to supply the Stormlight needs of an entire army and the Bondsmiths would be a prime target for someone as powerful as Kelsier to kill asap. If they are moving their armies through the Cognitive Realm they won't have access to any of their Shards while in the Cognitive. And finally, Scadrial just plain has better firepower than Roshar, a full Shardbearer might be able to kill dozens in minutes but Scadrial has the technology to kill hundreds if not thousands in minutes not counting the Southern bombs.

    This also takes place centuries into the future so it's not likely to happen before Scadrians have ways to defend themselves

    Hoid also likes Scadrial, the most he's likely to involve himself is to go against Kelsier but I find it unlikely he would wholesale go against Scadrial. In fact he would probably have disdain towards the idea of Roshar attacking Scadrial

     

    The thing with the ettmetal bombs is something that shouldn’t be downplayed. The only way you get something comperable to that on Roshar is a radiant with Division or Tranformation and an ungodly amount of stormlight. You also need to think about the Scadrian airships themselves. The Fourth Bridge as of yet is still really slow by most any standard, isn’t overly maneuverable, and requires an massive apparatus that is completely unlinked to the ship itself. The Scadrian versions are faster and will work as long as you have unsealed metalminds, ettmetal, and a coinshot. 

  3. On 1/5/2018 at 0:34 PM, MonsterMetroid said:

    I've assumed this is the case but where does it say this. Legitimately asking

    I always assumed they still had their physical bodies but that they were just transported to Braize somehow. Haven't put much thought into this interesting

     

    I believe we have WoB explicitly referring to the Heralds as Cognitive Shadows in relation to a question that might have also involved Kelsier.

    Edit: Someone beat me to it.

  4. On 2/6/2018 at 7:27 PM, Varenus said:

    But Nale didn't know he was making a lapse, he was acting in the way he thought proper. That means low amounts of skybreakers, which means he can't just make anyone and everyone into a skybreaker. His internal logic still holds, even if he is insane and was manipulated by Ishar. Perhaps he doesn't choose the best people every time, but his fourth oath skybreakers are part of the process as well. 

    But it's stupidity to the point of disbelief. Do something stupid to Impress Nale? sure. Commit a crime to impress the Herald of Justice? Not likely.

    Also: if we need to count on the stupidity of our villains to have the plot make sense, then something is wrong imo.

    Really my issue is with Shallan's backstory, not this acolyte. Currently, too many things in her past are "just because" for my tastes. If that makes sense. 

    And Sanderson and easily make them not “just because”. Half of Shallan’s arc is based off of delusion and self-deception. He can easily turn any weirdness in her backstory into something else.

  5. On 12/13/2017 at 11:00 PM, FanofAges said:

    How hard do you think it would be for kelsier to kill kaladin, if/when kaladin gets his shardplate? With all the potential weapons kelsier could use (meta,l glass knives, guns etc.) Would it be possible to destroy shardplate withought a shardblade? Granted he somehow keept his distance from kaladin and just battered him with things. 

    Plate Still breaks when put under enough force. And post OT Kelsier could use feruchemical iron with allomantic steel, iron, and pewter to brace for the recoil of just about anything. That’s not even accounting for the fact that full compounders are functionally demigods so long as they have the right metalminds.

  6. On 12/2/2017 at 0:16 AM, Calderis said:

    @Blightsong Something to consider.

     

    I found this recently and have been trying to reconcile it with my belief that the Dysians at least are native and grew out of Roshar's ecological system. That word "refugees" is really bothering me though. 

    Combined with this...

    And I'm having doubts. 

    They’re refugee’s due to Aimia being obliterated. There’s no reason to think of them being some sort of Cosmere castaways when  the first book establishes them as literal, albeit solitary, refugees.

  7. On 12/17/2017 at 8:41 AM, maxal said:

    This has become a popular theory. Because Adolin isn't written as if he were broken, because the main narrative doesn't convey the idea Adolin is broken, readers have started to argue the bond may work reversely. In other words, Adolin may heal Maya by not being broken... being being so nice he nurses her back to life.

    I will personally stand very strongly against this idea as I feel nothing would be worst for the story for Adolin to revive his Blade by not suffering, by not breaking and by genuinely being so amazing he just spontaneously does the impossible. As he was written in OB, Adolin already appears too perfect to be true: he never does a mistake, never says the wrong thing, never falls short of knowing what to do, never is affected by the evens, never falters. If Adolin has a character flaw, then it is not visible within OB. Prior to OB's release, we could have said he has issues with relationships, but this was glossed over in OB, the character gets resolution without needing to look into himself to assess his own faults. We could have also said Adolin murdering Sadeas implied either a lack of control or a too strong pressure being put on him or hint towards a conflict in between himself and his father, but this too was glossed over in OB. Nobody cares Adolin murdered Sadeas, including himself: he essentially ends the book having gotten the butter and the money to buy the butter.

    Adolin, as he stands by the end of OB, is a character without flaws. His only, only visible flaw would be "he is too nice", too nice with his father whom was abusing towards him and his brother as a teenagers (and childhood for Renarin). Hence, if Adolin turns out "saving Maya" by virtue of being "so nice" it just "works", then I personally feel it would be a great disservice to the character and to the story. It is also dangerously close to the Mary Sue character, this seemingly perfect character who's only flaw is something benign such "oups I am clumsy". 

    So while I understand the plea for Adolin not to become a Radiant and the plea for Adolin to never break, I personally find characters without a flaw aren't interesting to read and usually turned out being either boring, simplistic or one-dimensional. Adolin is very close to being each one of those things, after OB, especially considering how Brandon shoehorned him into a position where he is unlikely to get any character growth, where he has 99% of chances to face further into the background.

    In a general manner, I tend to agree with @Calderis in saying the fact Maya has started to wake-up is a sign of a Nahel Bond having started to form, even if it may be a weaker Nahel Bond then the ones we have seen. I will however argue the story doesn't write Adolin's character convincingly enough to make the readers believe this is an interesting path for him. He is too perfect, nor flawed enough and seems to have an infinite ability to cope. Also, he doesn't really have the page time to be really fleshed out as a character and suffers from the author wanting him to be the "steady normal guy" despite the heart-breaking backstory he got.

    All in all, things bode very badly for Adolin's character, within the future of SA, but I will keep on arguing having him succeed with Maya being "not being broken" would make it worst.

    To be fair, he may be acting perfect in OB because he’s trying to throw off possible suspicion.

  8. On 1/15/2018 at 4:33 PM, Warsinger said:

    I don't know if this has been said before but could Hoids light weaving have come from old magic as a boon and as a curse, he is unable to harm people. I'm just wondering what people think because I think the old magic is pre-shattering.

    We know for a fact that lightweaving has a Yolish variant that predates the Rosharan form of it; and I think we also have WoB somewhere about another magic system from there that gives Hoid a powerful healing factor. Unless it’s established that Hoid isn’t from Yolen somehow, we have no reason to think he wouldn’t have powers from his birthplace. Also, the Old Magic so far as we know is from the Nightwatcher, a Splinter of Cultivation. If there was an “Old Magic” before, the one we’re seeing is emulating the effect the same way that the surge of Illumination imitates some of what Hoid does.

  9. On 1/16/2018 at 10:43 AM, Landis963 said:

    Oathbringer spoilers:

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    Renarin can fight - if pressed - but his future sight doesn't act like atium does.  It's much less immediate, and only provides still images of one possible future, rather than atium's combat-ready clairvoyance.  

     

    I’m aware he can fight if pushed, and electrum and atium also both provide singular visions. I would think that, both being forms of foresight, they’d still interfere with each other enough to screw with Renarin; who I think can’t be argued to be better off in a fight compared to a mistborn who has any idea what they’re doing.

  10. On 1/12/2018 at 10:39 AM, Obvcop said:

    Would the fact that atium isn't produces any more by harmony not hinder allomancers?  They seem far less op without atium 

    They still have Electrum. It isn’t even close to as good, but at bare minimum it would storm with Renarin if he had the stones to actually fight.

  11. 37 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

    Which is where a lot comes down to religion. Some RL groups don’t allow postmortem donations. Others do. The more modern society gets, and the further from the Catascande, the more likely it is that opinions and beliefs will change.

    I don’t think Kell’s survival necessarily plays a role in this debate. To give an example: In Jewish theology Abraham was born a eunuch. Just because a miracle happened and he became fertile later doesn’t mean the rabbis allowed other Eunuchs to wed.

    The exact mechanism of Kell’s survival isn’t known or important to most people. I doubt it will make any difference in an individual’s decision, or in the laws that are formed around Hemalurgy. (Though id expect someone inworld to bring up the argument.)

    I don’t think the Sliverists would have an issue with spikes or spiking. Survivorists probably would And Pathians would discourage it. Ultimately we’ll have to wait and see.

    And no one really knows what, if anything, is Beyond. Kell thought there was nothing.  Others disagreed.

    Ah, but would the Survivorists' opinions change if it became common knowledge that Kelsier was, probably, given physical form again with Hemalurgy?

  12. 11 minutes ago, RShara said:

    When Shallan summons him as a Shardblade in the chasms, it glows garnet for a minute.  Garnet is the Lightweaver polestone.

     

    .... Garnet is usually a dark red. Don't misunderstand me, I don't think Pattern is corrupted. I'm just looking for clarification on what shades of red would mark subverted Investiture like what we see in Glys and the thing at the end of Bands.

  13. 13 hours ago, RShara said:

    Brandon has said that the color red signifies corrupted Investiture.  That's why the Fused and possessed Alethi have red eyes, and voidspren glow red.  It's why Glys is red.

    https://wob.coppermind.net/events/173-oathbringer-san-francisco-signing/#e8340

    A description of Ym's spren from WoR.

    So Glys looks mostly like a regular Truthwatcher spren, except red, and its light acts a bit differently (shimmer like the heat of a mirage vs a shimmer of light; dripped light upward toward the ceiling vs light growing upward like small plants).

    We have seen other Cryptics, both in Shadesmar and in the Physical Realm (Hoid's cryptic in the epilogue).  Pattern was in Shadesmar with Shallan, and none of the other spren or Cryptics noticed anything wrong with her or Pattern, nor have they exhibited any redness.

     

    Shallan has also already manifested both normal Lightweaver surges:  Lightweaving and Soulcasting.  Renarin isn't able to Lightweave, but is able to use Progression.  Instead of being able to make illusions, he's able to see the future.

     

    I'm certain that the "One will certainly be a traitor to the others" is the same "Traitor" mentioned on the back cover.

    Shallan is certainly not broken by ambition, nor does she seek freedom.  The closest match to this description is Venli.  In her ambition, she brought back Odium, the Fused, and the Everstorm.  Now, she wants to be free of him, regrets her decisions, and has bonded Timbre.  She wants the Listeners to be able to make their own choices (freedom).  The epigraph in question has no context, so we have no proof that it is related to the Unmade at all.  The epigraph on the previous chapter refers to either Renarin or Hoid, the one after talks about the Blackthorn.

     

    For whether Shallan herself is corrupted, we don't know what a corrupted person looks like, but presumably, when they use Investiture, it would also be corrupted, i.e. red, which Shallan has not done.  The rest, I agree with Varion's post above about why Sja-anat is surprised, etc etc.

    Didn't Pattern glow red as a shardblade in WoR? 

  14. 1 hour ago, Kaleid said:

    Wow, I somehow completely missed that, good catch.


    So - is the madness of the heralds somehow linked to the three realms? Is Damnantion potentially not in the physical realm?

    The insanity is linked to them being tortured for centuries at a time, millenia in Taln's case. Damnation is explicitly Braize, though it wouldn't surprise me if the Heralds get thrown into Shadesmar when they go there. Seems like you could be more creative with that kind of evil in a more malleable plane.

  15. On 7/25/2017 at 3:07 AM, Hawkido said:

    That is a good WoB.  I haven't seen that one before, there are a bunch and finding them all is tough.  That A, F, and H were a product of the Shards and the planet reacting to each other.  But I still hold that Hemalurgy doesn't have a focus other than Loss.  That is what is required (repeatedly stated over and over every time a Hemalurgic artifact is created) there must be loss.  The fact it is using a metal is (as I see it) because it is stealing a power that uses a metal as a focus.   However, that last is what I am focusing on.  It shouldn't be that hard to find an exclusive statement that Hemalurgy requires a metal, but the exclusive statement is not there.

    Except we have examples allready where Hemalurgy takes things that don't use metal as a focus. Koloss and Kandra are created using metal spikes containing generic attributes.

  16. On 12/25/2017 at 11:36 AM, The One Who Connects said:

    Do we have outright confirmation that the spike in Kelsier's eye is a Spike? Did he use said hemalurgic spike to become fullborn, or was that a consequence of his status as a Sliver alongside his connection to Ruin? Has he somehow attached his essence to said spike without having to somehow shed blood? Did he take the body of some witless berk or did he find a braindead/soulcast one somehow? I have so many questions about Kelsier as he is now.

  17. On 12/25/2017 at 11:00 AM, Harbour said:

    I suspect no one else here address the fact that Brandon introduced two kids characters and tied both to Kaladin in the Oathbringer. Its Oroden and Gavinor. 

    Oroden is Kaladin's new brother and another reason to protect the humanity. 

     
    Gavinor is Elhokar's son, and thats really interesting hook for a new plot line. Elhokar basically passed everything he cared about to Kaladin. And its really symbolic that Kaladin's men brought Gavinor to Kaladin. To safety. 
     
     

    Now, i dont expect much development for Kaladin-Mentor-Brother-Father Fighure plot line in Book 4 but i definitely expect Kaladin to become the father figure for Gavinor in the following books. And that will bring so much juicy stuff revolving the throne, Jasnah, ruling family and stuff.

    I find it interesting because

    1) Its exciting to see will Brandon gave some papa-wolf scenes for Kaladin;

    2) Its interesting to see what roles both Gavinor and Oroden will play in Kaladin's character development and life beyond being just an objects for him to defend;

    3) Its interesting to see Oroden and Gavinor dynamic in the back 5 books. I suspect they are similar in age, both of them most likely will be tied to Kaladin, and it would be interesting to see their dynamic given they have such a badass brother/"father figure".

    I was under the impression that Gavinor was 4 to 6 years old, while Oroden was an infant or toddler at best.

  18. 23 hours ago, Govir said:

     

    I like this theory. Would explain why Vivenna is chasing after Nightblood, and the warning she told Kaladin and Adolin to give to Vasher about her.

     

    In short, Nightblood did something and the Nalthis people want him destroyed. Vasher takes NB to Roshar to prevent this. Vivenna comes following after (or chasing, and only just now got to Roshar, since I'm pretty sure Vasher has been on Roshar for much longer than Vivenna).

    Considering he's been there at least long enough to have taught Adolin at an early age, that's pretty easy to infer. Did he teach Dalinar too? I haven't read WoR in a long time.

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