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Thank you! This theory got a lot more traction than I expected it would. Now I am all the more excited for Book 4!

Bendalloy works by storing calories. Same thing as with: So if we use the example in the spoiler tag, then difference between a donut and a salad would be the speed in which it would be stored and the amount of calories. I could have sworn there is a more explicit WoB, but I will post the one below that I found so far: Questioner [question about using Feruchemy in Dungeons and Dragons] Brandon Sanderson Why Feruchemy "works" in book terms is because it's about intrinsic trade off. We see the character pay something, so we accept when later on, they're able to do something dramatic. Narratively, their boost is "earned" in much the same way that a character "earns" their ending winning a duel by showing us through the story that they've been practicing with the sword. You need to "earn" your boosts. If I were a GM, I'd suggest that you can store attributes during one day of gameplay, to use it during another day of gameplay. -2STR for one day, +2STR for the next day. I'd say no more than -/+2 at first--with feats or Feruchemist prestige class levels allowing you to do 4 or even 6. Storing senses could be covered with WIS, and health with CON. Alternately, if you want to get into the specifics, you could try something where when you land a hit, you can use a smaller damage die (a d4 instead of d6) to "store up" strength. Then later, when you need it, you can trade in one of those stored moments (which would be capped with a maximum number that could be stored at once, to be raised by requiring you to find special metals) to raise a damage die during a climactic battle--maybe making your d6 into a d10. You could do the same thing with spot checks (take a penalty for specific rolls to be able to add to the later on.) HP could be done the same way--drop your HP for a battle to "store" then raise them for another battle. This is more of a tweak to the way the books use the magic, but the idea is to make certain your cost is still a cost. You get ahead by choosing the times to - or +, making it fun--but you are always paying a price. So the first question I'd ask myself is do I want this to be a time period thing or a specific instances thing--which would be more fun to play? Then ask is this about attributes or specific skills/hit points, etc? Define some rules, define how you get better, and then have fun within the system. Personally, I'd avoid the will save as a cost to drawing out the attribute or ability. Perhaps make it require concentration checks if you want to make it tougher--but requiring a will save to magically gain strength doesn't feel very "feruchemist" to me and downplays the real fun you could have with the character. Role playing a day spent with very low spot checks, or a terrible constitution, could be really fun. I'd also figure out if you can do some kind of "super move" with the abilities by storing up a whole lot. (Like ten units, however you decide upon them.) My take on the attributes: Iron: To be used in a role playing way, making yourself lighter or heavier, with no battle implications. Steel: Increase/decrease movement speed in a fight. OR under the effects of a "slow" spell for a day, vs under the effects of a "haste" spell. Super move: Very limited time stop. Tin: Spot Checks or WIS. Pewter: STR checks, damage die, or +/- damage to each hit. Zinc: Bonus to hit (for thinking through the situation) or bonus to initiative. (With corresponding negatives.) Brass: Specific fortitude checks.Copper: Mostly role playing. Memorize a book, or an entire library, if given time. Blank things from your mind to prevent mind reading. Bronze: Mostly role playing, with (perhaps) being able to "rest" immediately and get back any abilities that come with it. (Haven't played 5e--these were big in 4e, but don't know if they kept them.) These metals are going to be rare. Cadmium: Not having to breathe for a time could have all kinds of applications, though I'd love to hear you role play hyperventilating all day for one session. Bendalloy: Not eating and storing calories. Great for role playing.Gold: CON bonus, hit points, or something like that. Sudden healing is great for gaming. Electrum: General bonus to all skills. Chromium: Bonus or minus to any roll. The rest aren't even understood in-world, so I'd stop there. If you go all in on this, I'd say you need some kind of class built around it--perhaps a rogue or monk base, replacing their bonuses with feruchemical abilities that you gain over time.

I think what the spren is doing is appearance only. pattern seems to "flow" under whatever he is on, giving the effect of a raised pattern when the reality is he does no such thing. Glys looks like shattered glass in light, yet truthwatchers show no ability to shatter things with their surges. Just my two cents.

Spensa is the main character from Skyward. One of the questioners were curious what order she would end up in if she was on Roshar. Ym was the Irian cobbler that was killed by Nale. He is a confirmed truthwatcher when killed. Wyndle mentions wanting to have bonded to a irian cobbler but that the circle had him bond Lift instead. It is strongly hinted that that cobbler was Ym, but I cannot recall if a specific WoB confirms it. i would need to check. Lol, I am glad you support my theory. Fingers crossed we are right!

Ah ok, sorry for repeating then! From what I have read, I believe individuals can have the personality traits for multiple orders. So for instance in a WoB Spensa could have been a member of three different orders (dustbringer, skybreaker, and edgedancer if I recall correctly). We know Ym had an edgedancer spren as well as a truthwatcher spren interested in him. I think it has also been theorized that the glory spren's interest in kaladin (that syl batted away and said "mine"), could hint that Kaladin could have ended up a bondsmith if things went differently. So I say that all to say I could see Person A and B ending up in the same order, or two completely different orders. Basically people are very individualistic and it seems spren's interest are also very individualistic. So I could see a person having trouble with one oath, while other oaths were easy, while someone else would find that oath easy, and the other oaths hard. Which makes me wonder more and more if someone else getting through the 4th oath before Kaladin is becoming more and more likely to me. Hmmm. Great conversation!

I would agree if the person reflected in the cognitive realm as a gemstone like everything else. The thing is living things do not. They represent as a flame. So that says to me the flame is the person, not the "meatbag" the person inhabits. As to convincing a person to change, I theorize that you are not speaking to the "person". You are convincing the cognitive aspect to change. So the person isn't aware of the "discussion". Brandon has also said soulcasters (the radiant type) are used to pushing through an object's/person's innate investiture enough that they could probably soulcast a feruchemical metalmind (his reference). In the deleted scene Jasnah commanded the ropes to change. They tried to resist briefly, and she said "you will change" and they did. So I think the person could say no all they want, and if the soulcaster involved has the skill, the will, and the stormlight, that person will change.

Sorry, to clarify what I mean. Let us say person A and person B are members of the windrunners. Person A had a close family member killed by a higher up (not referring to Moash). Person A reaches the 3rd oath, but has to protect that higher up person. Because of what that higher up person did, Person A cannot swear the 3rd oath because they just cannot get past protecting someone they despise, regardless the reasoning. Person B grew up in the slums. Everyone was out for themselves. The weak are killed everyday. You have to work to survive. Person B gathered a group of other urchins on the streets and together they work to survive, protecting each other. Every person has to carry their weight or the whole group will fall. Person B has no time for those who Person B feels won't pull their weight and risk everyone else's lives. Person B cannot swear the second oath because person B will not protect those who cannot protect themselves. However Person B would clearly be able to swear the 4th oath easily based on what little we know. Now take those two individuals, and put them in a different order. The backstories may result in them not having any issues with any of the oaths of the other order, or may result in them having more issues, or less issues. At least that is my theory. Hope that clarified things. True true. Maybe we are on to something!

When do you think Amaram switched sides? Basically at what point do you feel is Amaram's comments coming from Amaram, and at what point is it coming from "Fallen" Amaram? I may begin then going through Amaram quotes later this week. I intend to include every reference of Amaram. The only portions I may exclude is the repetitions of Kaladin's reaction regarding Amaram as they pretty much state the same thing over and over again. But for completeness I may still include the page reference anyway. Maybe with all the quotes up together, we can both get a better picture of who Amaram truly is. It certainly caused me to learn a whole lot more about Jasnah. So wait, you said Amaram viewing the Thaylens as enemies was "Fallen" Amaram. Or is that not "Fallen" Amaram? If it isn't "Fallen" Amaram, then I do think it is disregard for human life. The Thaylens are their allies. Planning to attack your allies, when you have a much greater foe to worry about is to me disregard for human life. You are wasting the lives of your troops and the lives of your allies for no gain other than you are now ruling a hostile people. If anything it weakens your position further. Here is a link to my Jasnah thread below: https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/84071-jasnah-more-than-meets-the-eye/#comment-830297

Perhaps it depends on the order and the individual? Maybe some individuals have difficultly getting past certain oaths. So Kaladin's is oath 4, while someone else might be oath 2 or 3, or none of the above. Szeth shot right through the first few oaths while others took longer. The prevailing theory is she is at her fourth. The first is the oath everyone swears. The second is "i am terrified", the third is "i killed my father", the fourth "i killed my mother" (or it is mother than father, I forget the order). As of Words of radiance Brandon confirmed Shallan was ahead of Kaladin, who as of that time had just sworn his third oath, which would confirm that Shallan is at her fourth. That does seem to be the prevailing theory with Kaladin's 4th oath. Thank you for considering my theory interesting! LOL.

I appreciate you taking my word for it, but I am also happy to provide the WoB below: Questioner So, in [Shadows of Self], was that actually a Parshendi in the broadsheet? Brandon Sanderson No, it's not. It was one of the Southern continenters. I just wanted you to think it was. Questioner Is there a relationship between the Parshendi and the airships? Brandon Sanderson The Parshendi and the oh-- Okay. So the relationship is that I assumed when people saw the picture they would think Parshendi, and that was an intentional red herring. Moderator Or red and black herring. Brandon Sanderson Yes, red and black herring. *laughter* We spent a lot of time on that picture, Where I'm like "It has to actually look like the people, but it can't be straight up where people are like 'Oh! This is like what we've seen before here!' " And so we went back and forth on it a lot. That picture took a lot of revision to get right. Now as to the blue pool being a shardpool. I could have sworn there was a WoB that confirmed it was Harmony's, but that I am less sure of. I will do some digging to see if I find anything.

Good point! We do have confirmation via WoB as well that just because you are a squire, or a radiant of any oath, does not guarantee you will advance or continue as a radiant. That would certainly subvert expectations.

Have you read Bands of Mourning yet? It is answered there. edit: after re-reading your post you mentioned the red-eyed individual at the end of Bands of Mourning so I assume you have already read it. The individual by the water is a southern scadralian. That has been confirmed by Brandon. it was meant to be a red herring for people to theorize it was the parshendi.

I know just about everyone has been theorizing what Kaladin's fourth oath will be, and what will he experience that will cause him to swear it. I have been having this idea bounce around in my head lately and I was curious everyone's thoughts. What if Kaladin isn't the first windrunner to swear the fourth oath in our current group? What if Drehy, or Lopen, or Teft or etc swears the 4th oath first? Perhaps they swore it off screen and when we enter book 4, they are already at oath 4. Then Kaladin becomes conflicted over being unable to overcome the 4th oath hurdle while his bridgemates are seemingly slowly surpassing him. The person that swore the fourth oath then helps Kaladin come to terms with it and then Kaladin swears it onscreen. This would coincide with how Syl told Kaladin to learn to let others save him sometimes. Thoughts?

I agree it would be a great question for Brandon. Personally I lean towards it would destroy the person's cognitive aspect as you a literally turning them into air, but got nothing to back that up than my own supposition. Guess only one way to find out! lol Considering all the creepy hemalurgic questions he gets practically on the daily, I think soulcasting murder is the least of his concerns lol

Dockson. The poor guy lost the love of his life when younger, never had powers, and had to constantly clean up Kelsier's messes (resulting in his death). I think he deserves a break.

Said it elsewhere, and I will say it again, elsecaller all day everyday. Teleportation, matter transformation, power armor, and regeneration. Sign. Me. Up.

Personally I am leaning towards wanting the Herdazian general to be a dustbringer because the order seems to get a bad rep, and based on one of the epigraphs (the dustbringer who loves her family), I feel like it would be good for us to see a dustbringer that isn't "nefarious".

So then keeping in line with this thread, do you think soulcasting a person to air would prevent that function for Moelach? Or do you think it could somehow still accomplish gleaning information from the soulcasted person? Genuinely asking your thoughts.

Dalinar trusts Jasnah's judgement implicitly (mentioned two or three times across the three novels). He wanted her to come to the shattered plains so he could abdicate knowing she would be there to help with Elhokar and Adolin. Shallan has commented on how Jasnah always reinforces gathering as much knowledge as possible before making judgements. That was ironically concerning Shallan's feelings for Amaram when she found out he killed her brother (I know he didn't, but that was what she thought at the time). Jasnah has known Amaram the longest and spent the most time with him. So no, I do not think Jasnah is biased, and I do think her judgement is very trustworthy. Given your thoughts on Jasnah in the past, I am surprised you never dropped by my thread "Jasnah more than meets the eye" to give your thoughts on her in view of the quotes I provided. Thing is he did exactly that. I will need a moment to pull up the scene but Amaram was pissed at Dalinar for being "wasted coddling the Thaylens" (almost an exact quote, though I believe he used a different word than coddling exactly). He also assumed helping the Thaylens was a ruse to learn their defenses in order to conquer them. Great thinking for a noble general regarding his allies huh? That says to me he would waste human life (like Kaladin's men) if it justified his own sense of self importance. That he must be the one to bring about the Vorin religion. The thing is, again, he did. His giving in the Odium. His switching sides is him being willing to destroy everything, to still be seen as "good". I also want to go over all three books to see if Amaram really wants to save people's souls. I feel like it is more important to him that the Vorin church returns to dominance. Again, appearance. I have been contemplating treating Amaram, the same way I did with Jasnah by combing all three books for every quote associated with him, and presenting them side by side. My concern/the only thing holding me back is my own bias against Amaram. I wouldn't want it to seem like I was cherry picking quotes to make him appear in a worse light. If I went through the effort of doing so. If I pulled up every quote of Amaram (both from outsiders views, as well as his own PoV), would you be willing to read it regardless what conclusion it could result in? edit: also side note, Dalinar gave Amaram a chance to join the Kholin side even after Amaram switched sides to Odium. Amaram still refused. edit 2: here is the quote about the Thaylens, complete with anger sprened Amaram Oathbringer page 1035 "The city looks far better" Dalinar said "your men did well." "Then maybe our penance can be over, "Amaram said. he said it straight, though angerspren - a pool of boiling blood - spread from beneath his right foot. "Your work here was important, soldier. You didn't only rebuild a city; you built the trust of the Thaylen people." "Of course" Amaram added, more softly "And I do see the tactical importance of knowing the enemy fortifications." You fool. "The Thaylens are not our enemies" "I misspoke" Amaram said "Yet I cannot ignore that the Kholin troops have been depoloyed to the border between our kingdom and Jah Keved. Your men get to liberate our homeland, while mine spend their days digging in rocks. You do realize the effect this has on their morale, particularly since many of them still assume you assassinated their highprince" "I hope that their current leader has worked to disabuse them of such false notions" Amaram finally turned to look Dalinar in the eyes. Those angerspren were still there, though his tone was crisp and militaristic. "Brightlord. I know you for a realist. I've modeled my career after yours. Frankly, even if you did kill him - which I know you must deny - I would respect you for it. Torol was a liability to this nation. Let me prove to you that I am not the same. Storms, Dalinar! I'm your best front line general, and you know it. Torol spent years wasting me because my reputation intimidated him. Don't make the same mistake. Use me. Let me fight for Alethkar, not kiss the feet of Thaylen merchants! I-"

Oathbringer page 520 "Amaram genuinely thought he was Alethkar’s only hope and salvation, and had a keen desire to prove it. Left alone, he’d rip the armies apart to justify his inflated opinion of himself." That doesn't sound like genuinely wanting to do right and be good. That sounds like wanting to be seen and extolled as doing right and being good, even though the means to appear as such are wrong and evil. Given the topic title, totally respect you wanted Amaram to be alive, and you see good in him, but since this has started to turn into a discussion on Amaram and his merits, I felt it was within context to include my two cents on it.

Definitely looking forward to Fire Emblem Expo this saturday for more details. I like that it seems like they are keeping the class customization from Fire Emblem Fates. The weapons being the determining factor of the percent chance of "passing" your test to change classes I like and dislike at the same time. I like it because it allows for greater flexibility, but at the same time I could imagine people save spamming a very low probability just so they don't have to put too much effort in the prerequisites. Instead of gaining an A rank in swords for instance to get into the bandit class with a 90 percent chance to get in (all hypothetical), the person could have an E rank in the swords, for a 5 percent chance to get into the bandit class, but keep reloading till it works. I feel like there might be more to it to prevent that.

I think a big problem you would run into is kind of the frankenstein issue. Just because you sewed something on, doesn't mean it is going to work the way you want it to. For instance I believe either you or someone else in this thread mentioned soulcasting wings. Theoretically I think this is possible. Soulcasting flesh, bone, and sinew I think would be all within the soulcasters preview. Soulcasting a circulatory system as well as a nervous system through the wings so they can live with blood flow and be used I think gets more difficult but is potentially possible? But here is where we get to the issues. You now put huge bat wings on a person. In order for that person to fly with them, the wings would have to be far larger than the person to be able to provide the necessary lift. The musculature required to pump the wings also would be incredibly impractical for the size. Finally all the bones of the person would have to be made lighter, and hollow to even get the person off the ground at all. All of this (if you are lucky) would potentially lead to a person who could possibly glide when jumping off a cliff or other high place, but very doubtful will they ever fly. These issues could be applied to any other ideas. Could it maybe possibly be accomplished? Sure. Could maybe possibly some how get the body to accept the change and not reject it outright? Maybe. Account for all the other millions of little changes that would have to be done to the body in order to sustain such a change, or even get the desired result to work at all? That I think is going to be the main prevention of this idea getting off the ground.

No worries. I will however blame you for making me want it to be true lol.

That's news to me too. Could you provide the reference? I'd love that to be true!

More updates! The time wheel is confirmed though it looks like the uses will be limited (not as much as in echos). Any class can use any weapon, but some will benefit more or require certain levels of weapons to enter said class. Character models do change to reflect class change. Level will carry over regardless the class change. Will add as I recall more updates.