Shardcast: Ishar


Today on Shardcast, we talk about an extremely nice, totally sane character: Ishar! He definitely did not have his hand in a lot of stuff, or cause many problems. And he certainly did nothing disturbing in Rhythm of War! Also, news, and limmericks in Who's That Cosmere Character!

This episode we have Eric (Chaos), Ian (Weiry), Evgeni (Argent), Grace (thegatorgirl), Ben (Overlord Jebus), and Ala (Rasarr), who even though it was just three letters wrong, I still pronounced it wrong. Way to go, Eric.

Thumbnail art is the Ishar endpaper from Oathbringer, by Dan Dos Santos: https://www.brandonsanderson.com/the-stormlight-archive-series/#OATHBRINGER

News: 
Kelsier in Fortnite (though he's gone now): https://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/kelsier-in-fortnite-now-may-leave-tonight/
Skyward 3 title and cover reveal: https://www.17thshard.com/news/brandon-news/skyward-3-title-and-release-date-skyward-novellas-warbreaker-giveaway-r718/
Brandon's spoiler stream was yesterday 6/3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A67G4ObX7CM

Timestamps:

00:00 Introductions
3:33 News
12:39 Show and Tell
14:56 Ishar Pre-RoW
17:09 Rhythm of War New Facts
20:17 Ishar Prior to being a Herald
43:44 Connecting with Nale
52:25 "Bound other Surges" and in-world Words of Radiance
1:06:32 Shinovar
1:17:06 The Tukari in Shadesmar
1:27:59 Ishar's Abilities 
1:40:14 A Moment of Lucidity
1:51:31 Yikes
2:19:56 Potential Recreance Involvement?
2:27:39 Who's That Cosmere Character: Limmerick Edition
2:37:31 Outro

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Glad you liked my limericks! I was planning on you just picking the one you liked best and only reading that one, but this was much better! :P
Fair point on the last one and that character not being super dead. I didn’t think of that.

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Just some spitballing on Ishar’s weird spren experiments, but I wonder if the spren, once they’re in the physical realm, would still have a connection to the surges they could use?

Also makes me wonder if having a physical body would make them easier to spike. Probably not why Ishtar is doing this, but maybe relevant in the far future of the Cosmere.

 

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Shameless  plug time!  I don't know what his ultimate goal is: make himself human, convert all the fused into mortals again, make new heralds etc.  I do think Ishar knows what he is attempting has been done before, but not by him. 

 

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I think we have prod that Shards don’t know the limits of their power because Honour was surprised by surgebinders forming from a spren bond. 

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What if Odium’s version of investiture is to simply corrupt other investiture.  Void binding would be the equivalent of the corrupted surgebinding.  Ishar’s crime then would be introducing people to void binding.  That could be how Yollen was  destroyed.  That could mean that the original oath pact was as much a punishment created by honor for the heralds and their crimes as a way to protect the people.  If the knights radiant found the truth that they are the void bringers (which we know happened) and weak to Odiums influence then they might walk away to prevent their power from being corrupted…… just my thoughts during the pod cast.
 I appreciate you guys! 

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RoW spoilers: 

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I enjoyed the throry that Ishar nuked Ashyn to prevent it - or its knowledge - from falling into Odium's hands. 

However: Ashyn was already Odium's; it's people were Odium's; and it was Odium who tempted Ishar to use the powers of the Bondsmith to manipulate the surges... or the ability of people to bind the surges, i.e. creating Surgebinding as we know it on Roshar. 

Occam's Shardblade might suggest an easier explanation. (Odium's Razor?)

What happened? Ashyn was destroyed, or at least substantially rendered uninhabitable; its people came as refugees to Roshar; Odium was imprisoned on Braize, a planet in the Rosharan system. This led directly to the Oathpact, and the shattering of Honor.

Maybe this course of action was *exactly what Odium wanted*. He created a situation of planetary destruction, so that Honor (and Mrs. Avast) could be lured into opening their planet to refugees - and in doing so, to Him. 

Perhaps the Oathpact was a part of this. I think more likely it came later, or at least grew out of original agreements between the Shards. More likely, I think, that Odium's presence in the Rosharan System occurred at this time. "We will accept your people," said Tanavast, "but you shall be consigned to watch them from a distance -confined to Braize, worshiped from afar,  communicating with your people only by intermediaries."

(Heck, maybe Braize was created for this purpose - or maybe it even was brought to the Rosharan system whole.)

Tanavast thought he was saving a people, and imprisoning a Shard to boot. Instead he had brought the wolf to his very door, and soon enough,  it would kill him. 

In short: maybe Odium causes Ashyn to be ruined, so that he and his influence could sneak onto Roshar.

 

 

 

 

 

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PS: fun name times: 

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Ishar sounds an awful lot like Ishtar. To *wildly* oversimplify, Ishtar is associated with the serpent who tempted Adam and Eve with forbidden knowledge, leading to their expulsion from Paradise. So um. Yeah. 

Ishtar is also associated with primitive celestial navigation - hence the overlaps between Snake, Satan, and the Morning Star. Which definitely runs with the concept of Ishar as being the one who literally brought the people of dying Ashyn to Roshar, as by using his Bondsmith power to create a portal between the two worlds. (Brandon does Cosmic Marvel better than Cosmic Marvel, change my mind.)

Aside aside: the name God-Priest might, in classic Sandersonian fashion, be a descriptor which we naturally assume to be fanciful, but which is actually accurate. The Latin for priest is ,"pontifex," which literally means "bridge builder." A good descriptor for a religious authority... a great one for a Bondsmith... and a literally perfect one for the guy who made super magic space bridge between Shardworlds.

... Google "Bridge of the Gods." Yeah.

 

[MY PET THEORY: The "bridge" between Ashyn and Roshar is still open. It's at the Origin. Roshar's crem is the dessicated surface of dustbowl'd Ashyn carried through the portal, and distributed over Roshar by the Highstorms.]

[ALSO PET THEORY: Underneath all that crem - buried to touch, buried in memory, buried in people's hearts - Roshar is the planet once called Yolen.]

 

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