Ba-Ado-Mishram = Honor

[quackquack]

Hey

I think Ba-Ado-Mishram is honor, or at least a portion of Honor, a splinter of Honor, something that Odium corrupted, made unmade. The Sibling seemed to think that it would be be unmade if it was corrupted.  BAM seems to have a link to spren becoming deadeyes as well as slave form singers, once BAM was captured in a gem. Honor and Cultivation are heavily a part of Roshar, the singers see them as gods, and they influenced spren.

BAM seemingly acted like an everstorm, granding power and voidlight to the singers. Almost like a perpendicularity, think Dalinar. BAM was active while thre were no desolations. we only know about BAM actions after the death of Honour. Correct me if im wrong. I don't know if i can really ascribe any of the other unmade to Honor. But looking at the Revel unmade, i think whimsy. When i look at the Unmade that changes spren, I think cultivation.  Could the unmade be corrupted splinters of other shards. I believe that Odium killed Ambition, perhaps the thrill came from Ambition.

I don't think Honor will become whole again while BAM is in a gemstone, assuming Honor will become whole again.

Their have been hints of the unmade influencing Shinovar. Perhaps that will lead to the gem holding BAM being rediscovered. I think book five will have at least some unmade plot in it. 

[Tettidesa]

54 minutes ago, quackquack said:

we only know about BAM actions after the death of Honour. Correct me if im wrong.

This is incorrect. Honor died shortly after the Recreance, which definitely happened after The False Desolation. I guess it's possible that there was a large spren similar to the proto-Nightwatcher and proto-Stormfather that was subsequently infused with one or several of the Rosharan Shard's essences, before being made into an Unmade. This idea makes some sense, and I believe it's somewhat mentioned in the newest Shardcast. Unless there's something im missing though, there isn't too much textual evidence for it as of yet.

As for the other Unmade having any relation to Shards other than Odium, there is an AMA from a few years back, where Brandon explicitly states that these Splinters of Odium. While this doesn't nessescarily mean that they aren't also infused with the investiture of other Shards, it does seem unlikely. Is it even possible to corrupt non-spren in the same way that was attempted with the Sibling? I do kinda like the idea overall though, Sja-Anat being something infused with Cultivation investiture hence the enlightening of spren, maybe Nergaoul being somehow related to the new Valor shard. I don't think this would be the case with all the Unmade though.

[garlick]

Shardsholders don't always instantly die. Look at preservation for an example. Honor may of taken a mortal wound and died later. I dont agree with OP but honors time of death may not be proof against the idea. I've always wondered if the unmade are of odium why are they...unmade. Odium made...something...then unmade it. Whats the point when he could of made them how they are from the start. Ive always felt like they were corrupted like the sibling would be. But the power odium used on them to unmake them turned them into something of odium.

Edited December 28, 2020 by garlick

[Frustration]

BAM had to exist for longer otherwise Mystica wouldn't know about it.