Does ‘T’ suit “O”?

[Andy92]

14 hours ago, LuckyJim said:

Maybe a good question to ask is what exactly is the hatred and fury of Odium going to be pointed at now that Taravangian is the vessel. Assuming that Rayse was wrong, and Odium is a shard of hatred, what exactly is it supposed to be hatred of? The shard of Odium isn't like Ruin, which represented the natural end and decay of all things, it's explicitly related to human emotion, so potentially it could manifest very differently depending on the vessel, and even be a good thing. You can feel hatred towards injustice and oppression and that isn't considered evil, hatred by itself doesn't have to be an inherently bad thing.

In the hands of Rayse, the shard of Odium aligned with his desire to be the most powerful being in the Cosmere, and the hatred was directed towards the other shards and anyone who would oppose him, but what does Taravangian hate?

Frost touches on this with his letter to Hoid.

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He bears the weight of God’s own divine hatred, separated from the virtues that gave it context.

It is possible to hate in a non-evil way. Like you said, hating injustice or oppression. The problem is that the vessel is only going to have so much control over the shard’s raw power (we saw the conflict between what Rayse wanted and what Odium wanted was ultimately what caused Rayse to meet his demise). The raw power of Odium is hatred without all of the other virtues one needs. Best case scenario of controlling Odium’s raw power is to merge the shard with something like Honor imo. 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Andy92

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On 29/12/2020 at 1:56 AM, Friendshipspren said:

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I think the current vessel of harmony, Sazed  is the kind of person to actually give up the power to someone else,if he deems that person to be better . Much like Leras giving the power up to vin and later Sazed, even tho he wasn't in the right mind he made the best choice in choosing them. 

Also I feel Sazed is really tired of being the shard. He says in one of the epigraphs that hoid was wise to not become a vessel. 

Therefore I really do think he's looking for a successor.

The argument that it's too dangerous to trust  the Shard with anyone else is faulty.  He's a shard , he can spend ages trying to look for a successor and observing thier entire lives to see if they can be trusted. 

Also unlike the Shard of Odium , Harmony or even Discord isn't that dangerous an intent in comparison. Odium is by it's very definition ,a volatile and destructive shard. 

I can see Discord can be slightly dangerous too , but not to the extent of Odium, Ruin or possibly even Dominion  or Ambition. 

 

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Discord would be chaos unbound, it'd be really bad

On 04/02/2021 at 11:58 PM, Elerosse said:

The only problem I have with Odium being reinterpreted as Passion is Passion also implies desire in a form of compassion, which is covered by Devotion. Now, if we view Odium as Destruction, "Passion" makes more sense, as the Unmade, which would line up with Odium's intent, seem to line up with destructive acts/desires (Ashertmarn being destruction by excess, etc.).

Long story short, T could be able to almost "change" Destruction to a more noble purpose, almost like he had another shard to temper it.

I don't really see how Passion imply any sort of compassion, could you develop?

I'm not sure compassion is covered by Devotion, Aona definitely was compassionate but I think the Shard of compassion would more likely be Mercy

Ashertmarn seemed more like self-destruction by complacency, he was constantly telling Shallan to stop thinking thing to far and indulge. Honestly if Preservation and Odium fused in the worste way possible I think it'd create something similar to Ashertmarn

On 12/02/2021 at 5:59 AM, LuckyJim said:

Maybe a good question to ask is what exactly is the hatred and fury of Odium going to be pointed at now that Taravangian is the vessel. Assuming that Rayse was wrong, and Odium is a shard of hatred, what exactly is it supposed to be hatred of? The shard of Odium isn't like Ruin, which represented the natural end and decay of all things, it's explicitly related to human emotion, so potentially it could manifest very differently depending on the vessel, and even be a good thing. You can feel hatred towards injustice and oppression and that isn't considered evil, hatred by itself doesn't have to be an inherently bad thing.

In the hands of Rayse, the shard of Odium aligned with his desire to be the most powerful being in the Cosmere, and the hatred was directed towards the other shards and anyone who would oppose him, but what does Taravangian hate?

He hates the bad rulers of the Cosmere, and losing