Karger he/him Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 Well now we know how they can get there. Dalinar can do a full perpendicularity opening. They just need to arrange for a proper place and time for both going and retrieval.
Pathfinder Posted August 4, 2020 Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 3:33 AM, Oltux72 said: Urithiru would be in the middle of an ocean. You can transfer near a Spren City. But that is where the Fused are. As mentioned in a prior post, the oathgates are physically present in the cognitive realm and Urithiru has 10 of them. Theoretically Urithiru itself could function the same On 8/1/2020 at 3:33 AM, Oltux72 said: If everything goes right. If you need to flee from the Fused into the wilderness, you will be in deep trouble. Not necessarily as I mentioned in my prior post they would have more food and drink than they need to make it from location to location. On 8/1/2020 at 3:33 AM, Oltux72 said: Whenever you add somebody to carry stuff, he will need to eat and drink. Or are you suggesting they act like early expeditions to Antarctica and feed the unneeded pack animals to the other pack animals? But as I mentioned in my prior post, spren don't need to eat or drink. On 8/1/2020 at 3:33 AM, Oltux72 said: But you cannot eat that stuff. If you could they wouldn't need to trade cans or use ice to condense water out of the air. But condensing water is manifesting. The captain calls it that. On 8/1/2020 at 3:33 AM, Oltux72 said: Yes, It doubles your supply. But no more. A Raidiant's spren cannot get too far from the Knight. They would need to hire a group of porters in advance. Why would distance from the radiant matter in spren carrying supplies? On 8/1/2020 at 9:56 PM, Karger said: There is no matter in shadesmar. Only investiture. I think the individual was referring to manifesting food and water.
+Oltux72 he/him Posted August 5, 2020 Author Posted August 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Pathfinder said: As mentioned in a prior post, the oathgates are physically present in the cognitive realm and Urithiru has 10 of them. Theoretically Urithiru itself could function the same Yes, it could, but you'd still need a ship to leave or return. And the Fused checked shipping even in Oathbringer 4 hours ago, Pathfinder said: Not necessarily as I mentioned in my prior post they would have more food and drink than they need to make it from location to location. But as I mentioned in my prior post, spren don't need to eat or drink. The amount of your own food you can carry, if you really need to take everything on your back is surprisingly small. Human beings, especially if they need to expend energy by walking, eat a lot. And you cannot devote all your load to food. You need gem stones, your condenser and a few weapons, too. 4 hours ago, Pathfinder said: But condensing water is manifesting. The captain calls it that. He is manifesting the ice used for condensing it, not the water itself. 4 hours ago, Pathfinder said: Why would distance from the radiant matter in spren carrying supplies? It means that only the spren of the Radiants on the trip can carry stuff because no others can come along. 4 hours ago, Pathfinder said: I think the individual was referring to manifesting food and water. If that could be done Riino wouldn't be living out of cans.
Karger he/him Posted August 5, 2020 Posted August 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: Yes, it could, but you'd still need a ship to leave or return. And the Fused checked shipping even in Oathbringer Or just a bunch of stormlight. It might fade faster without perfect gems but it seems doable. 21 minutes ago, Oltux72 said: The amount of your own food you can carry, if you really need to take everything on your back is surprisingly small. Human beings, especially if they need to expend energy by walking, eat a lot. And you cannot devote all your load to food. You need gem stones, your condenser and a few weapons, too. With enough gemstones you could probably make it to the nearest spren city where Honorspren have a presence in a day or two. You could get back in the same amount of time. Less then a week travel.
+Oltux72 he/him Posted August 5, 2020 Author Posted August 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Karger said: Or just a bunch of stormlight. It might fade faster without perfect gems but it seems doable. at is a problem. They did it for a very short trip from the platform to land and from a ship to land. Urithiru would be on the high seas. Now unless you want to take one of Navani's barges into Shedesmart, th 5 hours ago, Karger said: With enough gemstones you could probably make it to the nearest spren city where Honorspren have a presence in a day or two. You could get back in the same amount of time. Less then a week travel. You can't just get back. You must assume that a perpendicularity is observed and the Fused send a team. We will have to see whether spanreeds work in Shadesmar. If not, you will have to rely on prearranged transfer points and times.
Karger he/him Posted August 5, 2020 Posted August 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Now unless you want to take one of Navani's barges into Shedesmart, th Not sure you could. 6 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Quote You can't just get back. You must assume that a perpendicularity is observed and the Fused send a team. We will have to see whether spanreeds work in Shadesmar. If not, you will have to rely on prearranged transfer points and times. You could rendezvous pretty easily at any oathgate city.
Pathfinder Posted August 5, 2020 Posted August 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Oltux72 said: Yes, it could, but you'd still need a ship to leave or return. And the Fused checked shipping even in Oathbringer Well honestly I am making an assumption, but I would imagine after a year, knowing the enemy is in the cognitive realm, with one order that can transfer to and fro as well as peer in, the growing numbers of an order that can peer in, and another order that can create an actual perpendicularity at will, would result in them fortifying the cognitive side of Urithiru. Coupled with also the growing number of bonded spren (which I thought I mentioned already, but will do so again here), which as they gain sapience via oath advancement would provide additional intel. We have two groups that have traveled the cognitive realm unprepared, do so and survive (Jasnah, and Shallan). This is a planned expedition that would account for the pitfalls of the unplanned forays. I really don't feel that Dalinar and co just up and decided "hey, lets throw a bunch of people into the cognitive realm with no preparation or knowledge like last time. That worked super well!". 13 hours ago, Oltux72 said: The amount of your own food you can carry, if you really need to take everything on your back is surprisingly small. Human beings, especially if they need to expend energy by walking, eat a lot. And you cannot devote all your load to food. You need gem stones, your condenser and a few weapons, too. Didn't say you had to. People go off the grid and hike/camp for days all the time with just the provisions they bring alone. You can fit a lot in a pack if you know what to bring, and how to store it. Which for an organized expedition, with military knowledge, as well as past experience would account for that. 13 hours ago, Oltux72 said: He is manifesting the ice used for condensing it, not the water itself. Still produces resources that they can consume via manifesting. Not sure how that changes anything. 13 hours ago, Oltux72 said: It means that only the spren of the Radiants on the trip can carry stuff because no others can come along. Not sure when I implied that they were have an army of radiant spren pack mules. I merely referred to the immediate party's spren. Though now that you bring it up, if there are spren that can be used to drive boats, then why not actual spren pack mules unconnected to any radiant? There are spren that are "animal like" in the cognitive realm. We have seen some used already as beasts of burden for the ships (as I mentioned). So why not to carry supplies? 13 hours ago, Oltux72 said: If that could be done Riino wouldn't be living out of cans. Riino, as per Azure, is living on the fringes of civilization because of the nature of his occupation. I don't think we can really use him as an example. 8 hours ago, Oltux72 said: They did it for a very short trip from the platform to land and from a ship to land. Urithiru would be on the high seas. Now unless you want to take one of Navani's barges into Shedesmart, th As I said twice now, at the very least we know for a fact ten oathgate platforms will be present in the cognitive realm just like they were at Kholinar and Thaylenah. So it is not just an expansive ocean on the cognitive side of Urithiru. Further I would hazard considering the nature of the installation for centuries, with the fact that many members of the radiants used to come and go from the cognitive realm normally, that there would be a further emplacement present on that side. I think far more evidence points to an Urithiru analogue on the cognitive realm than not. 8 hours ago, Oltux72 said: You can't just get back. You must assume that a perpendicularity is observed and the Fused send a team. We will have to see whether spanreeds work in Shadesmar. If not, you will have to rely on prearranged transfer points and times. Don't have to assume that. We have no idea the range of sight of Dalinar's perp power is, and that is assuming the Fused are actively looking for exactly that. Basically I feel it is better via Occam's razor to assume they have prepared for a large part of contingencies far more than we could, because they live in the world, and have experienced the cognitive realm. They would account for things that we simply lack the experience to think of.
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